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Posts posted by Jugglin'5
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I said slavery has slowly died out in Western Civilization... I am well aware that there is slavery in other parts of the world. Darfur or Thailand, anyone?
Most of this slavery died out without violence. I didn't say it died out without effort. Frankly, as a Southerner , I think we deserved what we got for treating people made in God's image as if they weren't. But that doesn't mean I think losing 600,000 sons, fathers, and brothers was the best way to go about it. And I think racism actually got worse after the Civil War, at least in the South. At least that is my impression from talking to elderly relatives, about their childhood memories, and what their own ancestors told them.
OK, I need to be done and go cook dinner. I realize my view is not a popular one, but be assured that I am not a racist or a neo-confederate. I just don't buy the standard story about the war.
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Why wasn't slavery just their business? Their choice. Slavery's victims were people. Abortion's victims are people.
Why can't people see that it's so similar?
I am sympathetic to this, as I am very strongly pro-life. However, do you advocate murdering abortion doctors? I hope not, but many abolitionists advocated murdering slaveholders. Do you want to see us in a terribly, horribly destructive war over it, where most of us have at least one immediate family member dead, or would you like to see it ended peacefully through gradual reform? I think murder worse than slavery, yet I don't advocate violent revolution to end abortion, even though that would be even easier to justify since it is murder. I will work to have laws passed against it, and hope that the gospel will influence the culture against abortion, just as it did slavery.
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Slavery had been dying out, slowly yes, but surely, all over Western Civilization. I think race relations would perhaps have been better because blacks would not have been made scapegoats for the ills of the war all over the country. The whole south was plunged into a poverty that it is only just climbing out of.
After World War I, the heavily punitive Treaty of Versailles made it almost impossible for Germany to recover. How did that work out?
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John Brown, Bloody Kansas , etc were part of the reason many southerners were defensive and had their backs to the wall, as many felt that northerners didn't care if southerners were all slaughtered in their beds. It was a complicating factor, further complicated by slave-holder retaliation against Jayhawkers, etc.
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I don't romanticize the South. However, the history of The War Between the States is much more complicated that the modern North=White Hats and South=Black Hats of your typical textbook. It is also a shibboleth that you must bow down to, to be PC. And it is a blatantly false idea.
Yes, some southern leaders became hardened in their pro-slavery stances, as radical abolitionists funded terror and violence, and non-radicals did not condemn them. Many of the South's leading generals were anti-slavery, while many northern generals were ambivalent.
As far as race relations go, I believe they would definitely be better today had abolition been gradual, plus I believe that your average freed slave would have been better off financially.
The idea that the North was pure in regards to prejudice is laughable. Part of the reason Lincoln was always publicly insistent that the war was being fought over Union, not slavery, was that he knew his audience. There were many riots in the North, and many, if not most whites, did not look kindly on blacks coming north and "taking" their jobs.
Early on in our history, the Yankee ship owners were the slave traders, and most of the early abolitionists were Southerners. But things changed as the economics changed, and the regions each became hardened in their relative stances.
I think the North was at fault for fomenting revolution rather than gradual change, which hurt everybody, including the former slaves in the long run. I think the South was at fault for immediately seceding when Lincoln was elected (and truly many Southerners were exasperated with South Carolina).
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I read "It" when I was 12. I had to get rid of the book. I still remember the cover. That was right after my parents let me watch "The Car", a horror movie about the devil killing people in a car. Silly, I know, but my imagination kept me from sleeping at night. I never watched horror movies or read Stephen King books after that, even when all my friends in high school were.
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Almost everyone I know, at least the ones who work really hard at homeschooling, is burned out right now. I just want to get through the last few weeks of coop without melting into a puddle. I think this is fairly normal.
On the other hand, if this is burnout beyond the normal, perhaps a year of just doing math, free reading, and copywork, in other words a relaxed year, is what the doctor has ordered. At least for the youngers.
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I vote against The Golden Children's Bible. As much as I love Memoria Press, I can't get past the blonde Jesus. I sold mine.:glare:
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very rarely are you allowed to disagree with these types of interpretations...
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Lively Latin I
Writing Tales 2
Shurley 5
Christian Kids Explore Chemistry
TOG I
Singapore 5A/5b CWP 4, w/Saxon 65 speed drills
Maybe Open Texture Greek I
Drama, basketball
Many of these will be done in conjunction with coop, otherwise I couldn't get it all done.:D
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I thought I wanted to be an English major until my Intro Lit professor spent the whole semester (yes - the whole semester), emphasizing that Dante's Inferno was nothing but a bunch of v*g*nal imagery. :001_huh: It was too much for this freshman. I switched to Poli Sci and History, which were actually less political, not to mention disgusting.
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Now, I loved Watership Down in middle school. But RBoC, once again, blecchh. And I had a very varied literary background, and appreciated many different types of books, and even had a decentish English teacher.:001_smile:
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but I read this book in junior high and I also despised it. The next novel that I despised like that was Tess of the d'Urbervilles in high school. I know Tess was very depressing, but I can't remember why I hated Red Badge.:glare:
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I was all ready to just say the heck with it, and use the straight Saxon sequence last night. DH told me he really wants me to use the Jacobs books. I guess I shall just have to cross the Pre-calc/Calc bridge when I come to it. Is Saxon Calculus too different for a student who has been through another text's pre-calculus? Is it more self contained than the others? I had college calculus, but I am not sure if I would be competent to lead them through a text on my own. If not Saxon, what are my best options? We live too far out in the country to make CC an option. DH can help if we run into trouble, but can't teach regularly, as his hours are too unpredictable.
I have seen the upper level Saxon texts so I am somewhat aware of what you're talking about. I had just hoped that with a bit of curricular creativity I could overcome it. My kids did some 76 and 65, but we went back to Singapore when basketball season was over and I had more time to teach.:001_smile: They were doing fine with the Saxon, but at least one of them does seem to do better when she gets the big picture first.
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I feel pretty confident in the math teacher. He goes to our church and has been around for years...I guess there are always DIVE cd's if he's not available. sigh...
I was really looking forward to teaching Jacobs. I was taught Algebra by a "git er done" teacher who never explained what any of it meant. It drove me crazy, and even though I was very competent in Algebra, I knew that I really didn't understand what I was doing.I had a passionate geometry teacher, though, so I loved geometry. I want my kids to understand...
Is there a way to supplement Saxon to make sure they had that understanding? I feel sure they would get it with Advanced Math and Calculus, because he draws those connections, but I want to make sure their foundation is strong.
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I am trying to plan my two oldest girls' math sequence for high school. They will be in 7th and 8th grades next fall, but I teach them together. They will finish up Singapore 6B, and do LOF Fractions and Decimals over the summer for fun and review.
I had always planned to do the Jacobs', then Foerster's route. However, I have an opportunity for them to possibly do Saxon's Advanced Math and Calculus over three years with a great teacher who will help them prepare for the Calculus AP exams. That would be my oldest daughter's 10th-12th years. I really want to do Jacobs' for Algebra and Geometry if it is at all possible.
I assume that in order to do this I would have to get them through some Alg II topics that are not covered in Jacobs'? I had heard that Jacobs' covers at least part of Alg II. I tried looking at all the scopes and sequences and TOCs, but I couldn't really get a feel for what they would be missing. What about doing Life of Fred Algebra II over the summer between Geometry and Saxon's Advanced Math?
Did the Civil war have to happen?
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I believe as Christian ethics, slowly, very slowly (as in 1800 years), penetrated the Western mind, slavery became ethically and socially untenable. The economics didn't hurt. I didn't mean that it would die out naturally without effort; for instance, your example of Wilberforce.