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Yes. Definitely. It's just history of the field and major scientists.
I had a strong reader, older 10 yr old use it last year as a supplement. She did it all on her own.
Thanks
I decided on Exploration Education with 12 & 14 yo dss, but I didn't want the 10 yo ds tagging along with that just yet.
I have Lyrical Science and really love it, but never used it consistently. So with 10 yo ds I was thinking of doing a song a week in Lyrical Life Science along with Exploring the World of Biology. IF it all wouldn't be over his head.
Pam
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Could I use this with a 10 year old boy if I am reading it to him?
Pam
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...Evan Moor? OR with something else?
(10 yo ds)
Pam
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Is there a reason that you don't want to just do MOH with all 3?
I'll see if I can say this to make sense. There's always a three-ring circus going on around me. :)
I guess because since youngest is still young enough for SOTW, and I've read (too much!) that SOTW and MOH might round each other out (one more secular and one more Biblical), I thought if I did them both, I might be able to share with the younger/olders what the other is reading and show how the history weaves together. Or do you think MOH does that well enough on its own??? Totally clear as mud??? :)
Pam
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I tend to be someone who uses curriculum as it suits me. I used the SOTW activities and maps when they made sense to me and I had time. I would do a BP craft activity when it made sense and I had the supplies. So, I am a toggler. I love the SOTW activity guide. I do think the map activities are awesome.
So,
I could use the BP Guide for 'when' to do a SOTW chapter (as we go along with the MOH schedule for the olders), and do the SOTW AG? Does it tell somewhere what AG page goes with the SOTW chapters?
I'm just so thick headed until that 'duh' moment comes along. Then I can't see what the big deal was and it is all crystal clear. :) I think it is the time of the year that I am going crazy with wanting next year settled!
Pam
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Editing to fix:
I know you said no BP but the schedule is actually pretty streamlined and open and go. For example in ancients week 7 Monday SOTW does chapter 6 and MOH does week 5 "Joseph" then you would read The Golden Goblet as a family read aloud if you want and Mummies and Egyptology recommended reading. There are a few other books there you could choose from. It is pretty easy to use. I cannot use complicated schedules either but BP is so user friendly.
If you go to BP site you can download a sample of the first couple of weeks I believe so maybe take a look and see of it might be something that could work.
I swear, I don't get royalties for plugging them haha. I just REALLY love their schedule :)
OKAY, IF...
...I did BP, and used SOTW with 10 yo ds, would you do the activity pages from BP OR SOTW? I have the pages from SOTW and I don't know if I should sell them or if I'll use them.
Pam
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Has anyone done MOH with olders (12 & 14) AND SOTW with a younger (10) at the same time. I DON'T want to rearrange chapters. I don't want to use an outside lesson plan that combines. They always rearrange chapters. I want open and go.I really considered BP, but from the past, planners like that never get done. I start with the planners and their pages, and then always want to add the pages that go with the MOH or SOTW because they look great, too! Then I can't decide, I get overwhelmed, and none get done.BUT, if I follow SOTW AND MOH guides, keeping the levels separated, will it totally confuse me?I had asked about doing everyone together with one of these 2 a few years ago, but we ended up doing something all together different.This year we did our own 'explorers' study and then studied Africa and it's geography.I really want a better plan for next year and follow through with the plan.Pam
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I mainly go for the used sale. And for ideas. The IEW workshops are usually really good.
But you saved my DF money by letting me know that rainbow won't be there. She hadn't bought her ticket yet.
I hope you get some great deals!
Rainbow Science won't be there,
But Rainbow RESOURCE WILL be there.
Pam
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Me! :seeya: I can't wait. I'm so happy that it's in Lancaster this year and I am already dreaming about my room at the Marriott. After a pretty terrible year, I really need this break/curriculum therapy weekend! I wish HOD was going but I don't think they have ever gone to CHAP, at least not that I remember. I think MFW is done with CHAP as well and that's a bummer.
I'm planning to buy:
--books for HOD Preparing, hoping to find used or will buy from RR (yes Rainbow Resource WILL be there!)
--Math Mammoth 6 and Singapore 4
--fun add-ons for science
--too many notebooks from Miller Pad and Paper
--a globe if I see a good one
--maybe some nature journals for the summer
Look me up, Kristin!
I've been dreaming about this for weeks, too! And the same about the CURRICULUM THERAPY weekend! :)
I LOVE your list!
Pam
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Dang. I didn't realize that rainbow won't be there this year.
What will you be looking at? :001_smile:
Pam
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Who's going?
What are you planning to look at?
I am looking at:
Exploration Education
( :sad: Derek Owens and Rainbow Science won't be there)
Biblioplan
( :sad: HOD won't be there)
RightStart
Illuminations
And I'm sure I'll add to the list a lot more in the next few days!
Pam
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Are you opposed to Christian publishers? Dive earth science might be a good option.
I had a DIVE program for math once. I never thought to look into it for science. I thought he (DIVE) taught to a specific 'book/curriculum'. Is it video/online and workbook only?
Pam
OH, NO! Another option!! :)
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Are you opposed to Christian publishers? Dive earth science might be a good option.
Not at all!
I'll check it out.
Thank!!
Pam
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Has anyone done either Rainbow Science OR Exploration Education THEN do Derek Owens Physical Science?
Or would that be redundant?
As I look at these three, it really looks like the RS and EE are very hands on, and DO is deeper in lecture and math.
Pam
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The more I look into the three of these, it looks like DO is not hands on. I don't see that there is any kit or list of supplies to have on hand?
I know I didn't state hands on in my original post, but I really think at 7th and 8th grade, I'd like that instead of just lectures and workbook.
Please set me straight if I'm wrong. :)
Pam
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Ours love Atelier Art. My older dd is using it with her little ones, too, and they also love it!
Pam
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For 7th and 8th grade boys.
One is a slower reader, but studies well.
Fairly independent is a MUST!
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Pam,
Perhaps this has already been mentioned, but have you contacted RightStart directly? Your desire to want to back up and solidify the foundation is admirable and well founded. Perhaps they can offer a streamlined solution using their materials without having to piecemeal them yourself. I understand that it may feel like time is of the essence at this point, and you probably don't want to waste it experimenting with... maybe this or maybe that will work and get us where I'd like us to be.
Honestly, I don't know if Math Mammoth is where you'd want to go at this point. It is similarly conceptual to RS, but it has a Saxon flavor to it, in my opinion, which can eat time if your not tweaking and streamlining. Even then, I believe if you streamline too much, you'd miss some conceptual understanding. Maybe I'm trying to say that MM tends to be conceptually a more drawn-out incremental approach like Saxon, whereas RS is definitely more conceptual mastery. I hope that makes sense. The dabbling we did with MM, my little man didn't gain a single thing from it that he didn't already know or better understand through RS. Just saying. But... RS isn't for every student. I get that. I hope you find a suitable route for you and yours that will lead to progress and success.
I was planning on spending time at their booth at our convention. I will be there with our diploma association right around the corner from them! :) I was thinking of also calling them tomorrow so I can have my homework done and know what to ask/look for.
This is very helpful about MM. I will consider all of this. Thanks for sharing your experience.
Pam
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I'd just like to muse over a couple of things. Every time I second guess our materials and think I should have done it differently or start over with different curricula with the next child, I have to identify 1. what is my goal? 2. What were the original reasons I chose the particular curriculum I am using? 3. How do these materials help me and fit with my personality as a teacher. And 4. How do these materials fit with the way my child learns?
I am looking at RS because it looks like it will cover what I want in math. As far as using what I have to accomplish these goals-- I don't feel I have time to reinvent the wheel. If someone has already made plans for my goal-- all the better! I'll have more time to teach. :)
Pam
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Liz FitzGerald, endorsed trainer of SWR, has been working on Lesson Plans for 5 years now. She is expecting on having them available this July! I have been field testing them for 2 years, and they are GREAT! I can't tell you how much of a difference they have made in our success to using SWR.Check out her fb page and web site.Pam
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Available target date..... JULY, 2017!
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RightStartâ„¢ Mathematics Transition Lessons - RightStartâ„¢ Mathematics by Activities for Learning
Actually they DO have remedial lessons! You can get the Transitions book, linked above.
That's consumable of the worksheets or
that's the ebook to print your own.
As far as manipulatives, that's just a budget question. If I were picking just a few, I would get
Laminated Fraction Chart or Fraction Charts
Those would be your top, top priority ones to get, because you'll use them a LOT.
Nice additions would be
The Corners card deck is found in the larger set, which brings up the question of the Games kit. Can you get the games kit through Rainbow with free shipping? I checked and I couldn't find Transitions on Rainbow. I'm suggesting that your order Transitions directly from RightStart and order the Card Games Kit later, if you decide you want it. Some of the manips are cheaper on Rainbow, but that may or may not be worth it to order two places. You can price it out.
The Corners deck will come with instructions and is just fun. If think think you want a little bit of games but not all of it, that would be a way. Also I'm noticing they're selling topical card games books for around $13. That would be another way, if you know you want to target just one topic. I hear you on it being overwhelming!
The manipulatives will come with instructions, and I think those 4 basic manips I listed will be very useful to you. Have you ever looked at MUS? It's very pricey, but it's that same idea too of really visualizing the math.
So I think you're looking at about $30-something for the Transition book and worksheets then some manips. I wouldn't stress over buying the whole set. Your kids aren't little and things you already have can be substituted. So it's a really easy starting point. And the idea of Transitions is that you work through the lessons, getting the kids who've *already done the math other ways* up to speed on the RightStart way. And if you hit a point where it's like wow, we need to slow down here and dig in, then you'd know to jump from that point into the main RightStart leveled books. But no, you don't have to start in the levels with older kids. Transitions will do exactly what you're wanting.
If you want to make your own math balance, you can. :D Really though, the math balance, though you don't use it a lot, is super nifty conceptually. It always sort of mystified me why it worked, then we did lessons in physical science where we MADE one with a 1/2 meter stick and it was like OH!!!
I'm super crazy for the RightStart fractions charts. Well I have the hardwood puzzle. If you bought the laminated and somehow adhered it to something thicker, might be cool. They don't sell the wood puzzle version anymore, which is a total bummer. Fractions totally, totally get people, so that's something where you really can't go wrong digging in, getting that understanding. Like maybe you'd work through Transitions and go hmm, that was enough on add/subtr/multiply and feel happier there, so then you'd decide to go with their Fractions level. RightStart Mathematics Fraction Kit (059202) Details - Rainbow Resource Center, Inc.
Let us know how it goes for you! Also you can call them and talk with the support person on the phone. If you've been curious for so long, it sounds like a good time to pursue it! And you can really just do what you want now and buy more later if you find it really clicking. That's why I was showing how you could just order a *few* things, get your feet wet, see how it goes...
Thank you so much for all the help and links!
I printed out the items you suggested. Our homeschool convention (CHAP in Lancaster, PA) is coming up the 1st of June. RS will be there! I can see and test all of these! You have helped me with my 'homework' so I know what to look for and ask about.
I REALLY appreciate this!
Is this the same as the RS fractions puzzle?
Pam
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I think you have a couple issues here you could tease apart. One is, why, after graduating FIVE other dc from homeschooling, you now find these dc in a situation where you wish they had some better facility with that level of math, and then two, is RightStart the solution for that.
I would answer the first question before you answer the next. ;) From our chats before, you may remember I used RS with my dd. It did for her all the things you're dreaming of and was a good solution. It's good stuff and there would be a path forward using their materials with your dc, yes. You would have a couple options, both age-appropriate.
HOWEVER, I'm really, really backing up to WHY this is such a huge issue on your mind as needing to solve with kids ages 9, 12, and 13, kwim? Like most kids that age can already add math mentally. Most are passing standardized tests on basic computation. RightStart is strongest in levels A-C and fizzles after that. It's really introductory on fractions. Oh, they made their fractions level. Fine, whatever. I'm just saying this is not something that is solving your math long-term. What's going on? What is going on with your boys functionally that you're finding yourself needing this?
My ds8 is gifted with math SLD and a bunch of other things. For him, RightStart isn't a good fit. He's just terribly, terribly complex, and he couldn't understand the RightStart lessons. I bought the new version of level A and sold it. For him, as much as I like RS, it was not going to be within reach. GIFTED IQ!! With him, I use Ronit Bird. It's meant for someone with math SLD, and Ronit Bird has lots of materials at different starting points and complexity levels, allowing you to get a better fit. Depending on where they are, you might start with her book Overcoming. I think amazon is selling 1st edition. See how much the 2nd edition has changed before you buy. I think she added things. Or if you like the price get first edition. :)
This is age-appropriate, topical, progressive, and has enough detail to help kids with math disabilities. If you're trying to solve more than some angst, if they're actually having trouble with math, Ronit Bird might be the right level. I use my RightStart manips and methods with RB, sure! I'm a "by all means necessary" kind of woman. But for my ds, who is gifted in math with a math SLD, RightStart wasn't within reach. Make sure you're identifying and solving the problem. :)
Adding: As for what I would do within RS at those ages, I would do Transitions (do they still sell this?), the Math Card Games book/kit, and some of my favorite manips (math balance, abacus for each boy, place value cards, base 10 picture cards). I think Rainbow Resource sells the manips, so you could order those and then use them with Ronit Bird. They'll totally blend and be compatible. If you want to get Transitions for YOURSELF to bring you up to speed, then you can do with it what you want.
What works really well is to do breakouts. Like ok your math curriculum is saying to do X, so you break out and spend a week and work on those concepts in a more hands-on, concrete to abstract, manner. My ds also has autism, so I'm always all about generalizing, making sure he can do that concept across settings and situations. So if we're doing 2 digit mental math, we're going to do it with money and temperatures and Wii games and the abacus and card games and in the car and with the clock/time and... kwim?
Math SLD is defined by issues with number sense. So a lot of what you're fighting is just no relative sense of what things mean. You're always trying to bring it back to real life. It might be why you're thinking well Singapore sounds great in theory but it wouldn't solve their problem. For some kids, doing something in one setting, with one paper-driven curriculum, would mean they (might) have that skill just in that one setting. Some people really need to do it across settings! Something can be really good but maybe not what *our* kids need.
Like I said, I don't know what you're seeing. But I think that's where math recs are really dangerous, because something can actually be really great for someone else's kid and not get enough connections going for the next.
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OhElizabeth--
That is a LOT to digest! Thank you for being so thorough in trying to help me see our situation from the outside in. (maybe from the inside out :) )
#1. Yes, we have 5 that have graduated and live normal productive lives. They did not do well in math. We didn't have a lot to work with back then, and I did not have much of a clue as to what I was doing. I still feel lost sometimes. I want to help our last 3 boys to have the best I know to give them (which is really what I wanted with our first 5, too).
#2. Is RightStart the answer? Thank you for asking. I am not sure. I am doing my best to find out how to teach them mental and conceptual math. Maybe they just won't go as far as others, but I believe there is more they can learn than what they are given credit for. We are not an exceptionally smart family. All our children have struggled in spelling, some in reading, some in math. I really like how Videotext is teaching our 13 year old son how to see and understand mathematical ideas and not just isolated facts and methods. For the 11 and 9 year olds, I see the same patterns forming where they are learning how to do math, but they really aren't understanding it. I thought RS had the qualities to help them build skills besides drilling flashcards and doing speed drills. I just don't have time or smarts to take parts of a program and plug them in here and there and make them effective. I wish RS had a remedial lesson plan, not just get this game and that.
I might see if MM would fit the what I am looking for. I am still asking questions and trying to glean from samples. I am an old (55) mamma, trying to learn new things!
I will look at all the links and see where it takes us. Thank you!
Pam
(Sorry some of these thought are so jumbled. I am trying to multi-task tonight.)
So...you are heading to convention....
in K-8 Curriculum Board
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CHAP was in the Lancaster County Convention Center this year. It was a little crowded and not as many of the known vendors, but it was a great time! And they allow you to take your own food in there. It was nice to stay in the Marriott, which was the same building as the convention. We parked Thurs. and never went to the van until we left Sat.!
Pam