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So does Aesop rely on an already strong base in dictation/narration? Because I can't see any dictation build up in the Primer scope? Can I ask what specifically about Aesop made you realise that dictation/narration needed more work first? Or does Aesop, or CW in general, just not include some aspect that WWE does? Or do they just come at writing from two different philosophies?
I haven't used the primers, so I don't know if they include dictation. Aesop schedules dictation once each model, plus the student narrates the model once. If you only do one model every two weeks, that's only once ever two weeks that you get to dictation and it wasn't enough for my dd. She was starting to freeze up every time we did dictation and I noticed that her narrations in other subjects were declining. I'm not sure that it was CW Aesop's fault, she just needed more practice until those skills came easy to her. She also needed some more focused phonetically spelling work as she was getting tripped up by that in dictation. So we spent another year with WWE and with WRTR and now we'll condense CW Aesop into one year doing a model each week.
We did a trial week and I was very pleased with the progress she's made. This time, she narrated without difficulty. I didn't have to ask her any questions, she was able to summarize the passage with ease. She did fine with dictation and she was able to write her entire writing project by hand on her own, something she couldn't do last year. WWE has given her confidence in the basic skills, so that we can now focus on writing instruction. Plus, I really prefer to do the model analysis & imitation and the writing project in one week. It just makes more sense since this is how it will be done in future levels.
As for them being different writing philosophies, I don't see them as such. I think that WWE/WWS and CW are the different methods for the same philosophy. WWE/WWS focuses on the basic skills early on, making sure those are strong and then will move onto progym exercises in later years. CW starts with the progym exercises, teaching them gently over a number of years, but also teaches the basic skills along the way. In the end, they will both end up in the same place. I see them as different paths up the same mountain. Hopefully, that makes sense, my little guy is pulling on me and distracting me, so let me know if it doesn't :).
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It's totally possible to just use the WRTR manual and IMHO, much simpler because you can tailor it to your child. If you do a search on the boards, you'll find some good information and Ellie is an awesome resource for when you have questions. It's very simple though, teach the phonogram, then teach the Ayers list (teaching the spelling pages along the way as need be). At least that's the spelling part of it, the rest I'm not familiar with, because we only use it for spelling :).
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I would stick with WWE. We went through WWE3 before doing CW Aesop. Well I take that back, we tried CW Aesop after WWE2 and I quickly realized we needed to keep working on dictation and narration, so we switched back to WWE3. Next year, we'll be using CW Aesop A & B along with the WWE4 weeks from the main text to make sure her skills are progressing. IMHO, WWE gives a strong foundation of basic writing skills (narration/copywork/dictation) for the student, so that when they get to CW, they can begin to build on that base.
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What, we lost???
Seriously, the best books I know about the Civil War are by James I. Robertson, Jr. He's a southerner through and through, but he does a great job of presenting how both sides felt. I had him as a professor in college, he's an excellent lecturer and writer.
Here's a link to his Civil War book for kids, it's oop, but you can get it used. His biographies are dense (and thick for that matter), but really give you a feel for who the person was and how they felt. If your ds is a good reader and interested in the subject, you may want to check one out. His one on Robert E. Lee would probably be the best one to start with, but his one on Stonewall Jackson is dh's favorite.
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Confession Time: I haven't done the My Reading section yet (gasp!).
This is why next year we are using Laura's CHOLL program, maybe we'll finally have something for the reading section of her notebook :).
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Thanks guys! I'm trying to wrap my head around the logic stage now, because I'll be buying all our materials when I'm back in the States this December. I'm thinking about having her read KHE and outlining from that. Then we would have a spine book to read together and then we would discuss the spine and KHE. I'll have her write one to two 3-4 sentence summaries on the WTM topics (such as famous men & woman, wars, daily life and so on) introduced in the two sources. Then I'll have her do the Knowledge Quest Maps that I already own and timeline figures from Homeschooling in the Woods. Ideally I'd like a spine series that we can stick with for the 4 years and that she can eventually read on her own as we move towards more indpendence. I'd love something that includes questions and tests as it would make my job easier, but I'm open to planning it all out. We've already done SOTW for grammar stage, so I'm not sure that I want to repeat it. Sigh...decisions, decisions...at least I know what we are doing for science ;).
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You could use the new Writing with Skill, it's designed to be a follow up to Writing with Ease or you could switch over to Classical Writing, beginning with Aesop (this is what we are doing).
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She only schedule the first 13 chapters in LC1, so it would work out to be about 1/2 chapter per week. I choose to do it on a separate week to try to break things up a bit and to give us some time to fit in the games :).
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Here's what our schedule for Prima Latina looked like...
Monday: Introduce Lesson
Tuesday: CD Drill, Speaking & Writing/Learn
Wednesday: Lesson Questions & Translate
Thursday: Review Questions & Fun Practice
This worked out very well for us. It's similar to the schedule suggested in the front of the guide. Hope that helps!
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We are planning on using the Famous Men book and the questions in the LC1 guide. I'm not purchasing the new history guide they have for Famous Men as I think that it would be overkill. We'll take a week to go through the chapters that will be on the review test after we finish the other works. Our first 7 weeks will look like this..
Week 1: LC1 Lesson 1
Week 2: LC1 Lesson 2
Week 3: LC1 Lesson 3
Week 4: LC1 Lesson 4
Week 5: LC1 Lesson 5
Week 6: Famous Men of Rome Ch. 1-2, Ludere Latin from the previous lessons
Week 7: LC1 Review Lesson 1
Then we'll move on to the next 5 lessons and repeat the pattern. At least that's the plan :). Hope that makes sense!
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We started Prima Latina in 3rd grade. It's been a very good decision for us, as dd loves Latin now.
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I think the end goal of WWE is written narrations, so I would let her write them if she can. I would work on oral narrations in other subjects, such as history or literature.
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Moonbeams, Dumplings and Dragon Boats is a neat book about Chinese festivals that we enjoyed when dd was in 1st. We also read aloud Tales from a Chinese Grandmother, but I would preview those first. Hope that helps!
ETA: We also read this book about the Great Wall, lots of information, the pictures are black and white, but dd really enjoyed it.
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We love Grapevine here! You will need to do a bit a prep work for each lesson. It takes me about 30 min every weekend to read over the lesson, choose the passages I want to use and practice drawing the figures :). We look up the passages together and then I use a whiteboard to draw everything on. We have done Biblical Feasts and are working through NT Survey I've been very pleased with both curricula and we'll be continuing with it next year. Hope that helps!
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Does anyone use these for logic stage spines? What do you think about them? Do you have your students read it alone or do you read it together? Do you have them outline from it? Anything else you want to share?
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Yep, BTDT, I forgot to get a LCI student workbook, had to pay $30 to ship it here, well I did get a few other things as well :).
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Just wanted to say thanks for starting this and your not behind, we are doing LCI in 4th after doing Prima this past year. We'll take the whole year by doing each of the 5 weeks of lessons, then doing a week of history and Ludere Latin, the a review week. We'll rinse and repeat our way through the book.
I have the LCII guide on my shelf as I was given it by a friend, so I'm not sure what we'll do. I hate not to use free stuff, but then I don't know what to do afterwards.
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Yes we did enjoy it and she did seem to learn from it. I guess I was worried if it was enough. I didn't see it in TWTM which edition was that in? I have the revised edition I think 2004.
It was the recc in the original WTM before FLL came out.
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I've dealt with this with both of mine. Diflucan worked the best for us and make sure she takes the entire dose, which will last several days after it all clears up. I tried some of the natural remedies with ds and things went from bad to worse, so I would definitely tell her to take the medicine that the doctor prescribes, it won't harm the baby, her or her milk supply and everyone will be happier in the end!
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I would stick with EFTC, because you used it last year and it's a WTM rec, plus I'm not familiar with EG.
But, did you guys enjoy EFTC? Did your dd learn from it? If you answer yes to both of those questions, I would stick with it. If not, I would take try a week of both, since you have them, and see which fits better.
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Is it possible for your dd to help you with the class, ie. show the kids what to do, hand out instruments, hold things for you and so on? At 6yo, my dd couldn't have sat waiting patiently for that long, but if I had given her a job that made her feel important, she would have been on her best behavior :). If not, I would also suggest looking for someone who can watch your dd, either another homeschooling mom, someone who does in home daycare, a homeschooling teen or a college student. I have a college student who comes in several afternoons a week to watch my kids while I work.
As for school work, make that day your fun day. You can play math games, spelling or phonics games and do art/music on the afternoon of the day you work. That way you still get school done, but it's fun and low pressure for you both. Hope that helps!
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In fourth grade I had my son solve textbook problems on a white board. For the 'reviews' I had him use notebook paper.
:iagree: We are headed into 4B in several weeks and this is how we do things.
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The PDF should be available well before December--I'm not exactly sure of a target date, but I'll let you know when the timeline is clearer.
For anyone who's interested, I just posted the first five weeks at the welltrainedmind.com blog:
http://www.welltrainedmind.com/resource-roundup/new-grammar-and-writing-resources/
Full table of contents and updated samples of Writing With Skill coming shortly...
Susan
Thank you! It looks great! I'm so glad to see that it will be a four book series. No more hunting for grammar programs, we are set!!!
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Pata,
How did you do that? Did you look ahead to what you would be reading in history, science or literature?
Yes, I plan history, science and literature at the beginning of the year, although we do change things here & there. I just use books public domain books, such as Famous Men, Storybook of Science or Fairy Tales, for the selections. I don't really like to pull from what we are actually reading because then she's seen the passage before, so I look for coordinating topics. Here' a sample of what we did for history, we were studying the Alamo using SOTW3 & Susanna of the Alamo. It's patterned after Level 3 Week 30 in the text...
33-History-From Historical Tales: America II
- Monday: 1st half of*"Heroes of the Alamo" Who arrived at the festival and what did he want? Where did Davy Crockett go? What was happening at the Alamo?
- Tuesday: When the enemy appeared in sight we had not three bushels of corn. We have since found, in deserted houses, eighty or ninety bushels, and got into the walls twenty or thirty head of beeves.
- Wednesday: 2nd half of*"Heroes of the Alamo" Was the force at the Alamo small or large? What did they do? How did the Mexicans respond? What happened in the end?
- Thursday: Thus fell the Alamo. Like the Spartans at Thermopylae, the heroes of the Alamo did not retreat or ask for quarter, but lay where they had stood in obedience to their country's commands.
Hopefully that gives you a better idea of how it can be done :).
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I would agree with Suzanne, in K we spend 15-20 one math and english each and 20 min on the extras, for a total of an hour a day, but with breaks it took a bit longer :). For second, we spend 30-45 min on math and english each and took about 40 min for the extras, for a total of about two hours a day. On Fridays we took a bit longer if we got involved in an art project, but generally we were done by lunch.
I also agree with the PP that you can get your 2nd grader started, then go onto the K'ers while they work independently. History and science should be relatively simple at that age. Read a chapter of SOTW or a page in a science encyclopedia and have them tell you what they learned, it takes 15 min. tops. As for art, you could fold it into history and science. Making a salt dough model of the Nile, is sculpting. Paint a scene in nature or their favorite animal. It's always good to kill two birds with one stone :). Best of luck figuring out what works for your family!