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We are the same as some previous posters. We help them make strategic choices, we don't play super aggressively, but typically we don't just throw the game. We also played cooperative games when they were small, like Harvest Time. My DS 8 is just now to the point where he doesn't get a little weepy about losing.
Harvest Time was the first cooperative game we bought when my oldest was very young. He didn't just cry when he lost, he also cried when he won. He cried for the pain that the other person (people) suffered in losing.
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First, I'm tired of people blaming us non vaccers for diseases. My dc aren't full of nasty viruses or bacteria. Far from it. They are very healthy.....
Second, I would like people to know that there's another side to this. So, do your own research (both sides) before you just blindly follow along one that the majority do. We learned the hard way.
I'm sorry, but I'm really not blaming you, I'm trying to understand your point of view. Isn't that your goal here? Why else would you bother posting?
So are you advocating that vaccines should not be mandatory, and everyone should research for themselves what vaccines they want their children to receive (or receive themselves as adults)? I'm not sure how well that will work. There is an incredible volume of information on both sides, and reading jargon and evaluating sources is not trivial.
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Yep, here, you can't go by personal experience. They are treated as though you are delusional.
I'm just glad I'm stupid enough to workout what has harmed my family. If having a high IQ means missing that, then I'll stay 'stupid' anyday of the week....
Please don't take this as an attack - I'm really trying to understand your point of view. I understand that you've said that your family member(s?) have been injured by vaccine(s?). I have read your posts, and it's totally possible that I've missed something, but I'm still not really sure what outcome you are hoping for. Are you taking the position that given the experiences of your family, you feel that vaccines are too risky for all people, and nobody should be vaccinated? Or are you trying to recommend that most people should be vaccinated, but those who have known risk factors should not? There is honestly a huge difference between those two positions.
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OK but the number of kids who had problems after certain vaxes is not small enough to make "coincidence" plausible in my view.
Maybe you need to clarify what you mean by "problems." There are known "problems" after certain vaxes, like some kids will have a fever and a small percentage will have an allergic reaction. That is a different discussion from the relation between autism and vaccinations.
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This is a great website for showing the dangers of assuming that correlation means causation.
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Why are we back talking about thimerosal again? Was that not removed from all vaccines meant for young children (except the flu vaccine)?
Maybe we're just talking vaccines in general now?
Sorry, you're right, I shouldn't have prolonged the thimerosal discussion. I just felt the need to correct a misinterpretation of a scientific paper.
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1.4. Localization of Organomercury-Induced Damage
Ethylmercury is a lipophilic cation which can cross the blood-brain barrier [19–22]. The octanol/water partition coefficients of methyl and ethylmercury are 1.4 to 1.8 [21, 23], at intracellular pH and [Cl−], thus both organomercury compounds will predominately exist as lipophilic cations inside cells. Mitchell demonstrated that lipophilic cations accumulate inside mitochondria, in a Nernstian fashion, driven by the steady state membrane potential [24]. Given that the typical mitochondrial membrane potential of astrocytes and neurons is between 140–170mV [25], one would, a prior, expect the concentration of these organomercury compounds within mitochondria to be approximately 1000 times greater than the cytosolic concentration.....
That section is from the introduction of the paper, which is giving you background information. The results of the study have nothing to do with the blood-brain barrier. Like I said, the experiments described in the paper are all done in cells in culture - not on live animals or humans.
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It's in a Toxic Journal, so it is complex. Yes, I skimmed.... but that doesn't take away the findings just because you and I can't understand it. What jumped out is the blood brain barrier being insulted by the Mercury.
Just FYI, the paper you linked did not have any information about the blood brain barrier. The experiments in that paper are all done on cultured cells - astrocytes exposed directly to thimerosal.
Edited to add - I don't think anyone disputes that mercury can be toxic.
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My nephew's vaccine injury also triggered an underlying mitochondrial disorder. His vaccine injury is documented, and the lot number of his vaccine had reported 2 deaths and 10 permanent disabilities but was still out on the market. He's been to two mitochondrial research doctors, and both concluded the trauma from the vaccine injury triggered the disease.
I'm so sorry for your nephew. Mitochondrial diseases can be terrible and tend to be misdiagnosed/underdiagnosed. The trouble is that people with mitochondrial diseases are also likely to have issues from the diseases that vaccines prevent. Thus if you have a mitochondrial disorder, it is in your best interest to have a population that is well vaccinated to decrease the possibility of outbreaks.
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Interesting, in the CDC link it seems to say that the way they proved no link to autism was by noting that the number of kids being diagnosed with autism after the removal of thimerosal was higher than before. Is this the way they prove vaccine safety in general? That's like saying ice cream isn't fattening because people who don't eat ice cream get fat too.
Actually it's more like this. You are gaining weight, and you decide to stop eating ice cream, but you keep the rest of your diet the same. Unfortunately you continue gaining weight. Then you conclude the ice cream wasn't the cause of your weight gain.
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No mercury is good for the body, period, but I would rather take my chance by eating 2 cans of tuna then get it from a shot!
But why are we even discussing mercury? Most vaccinations haven't had thimerisol in them for years. I think the only one that may sometimes still contain thimerisol is the flu shot.
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Actually, if you are paralyzed, you will probably qualify for Social Security disability payments. The vaccine injured will also qualify if their disability is severe enough. It's a separate system from the VICP.
That's a good point about Social Security. I hadn't thought of that. However for most childhood illnesses and complications, the government isn't going to pay (unless you have medicare/medicaid). Like when I was a child, I was hospitalized from complications due to chickenpox. My parents had let our health insurance lapse, unfortunately, so they were personally responsible for all the bills.
Edited to add: I'm old, and the chickenpox vaccine was not an option when I was a child. I was just trying to make the point that usually the government doesn't pay if you get sick, and they also don't generally pay for treatment failures. For instance, if you have a bad reaction to an antibiotic, the government doesn't pay.
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Here is a table of petitions filed and awards granted in the NVIC courts. 3 billion paid out so far. Personally, I don't think that the government paying off parents for the vaccine-damaged kids is to be totally ignored, but that is what some would have us do.
Choose what to do, but choose wisely and with your eyes open.
http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/statisticsreport.pdf
This raises an interesting point. Let's say there were no vaccines. If you got paralyzed from a disease like polio, the government is not going to pay for your treatment (unless you have medicare/medicaid or something like that), much less pay you any kind of compensation. On the other hand, if you get a vaccine to avoid the disease, and you get a complication from the vaccine, the government does pay.
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I just read an article in the NY Times (How Elementary School Teachers' Biases Can Discourage Girls From Math And Science) that is interesting. One thing they mention is an Israeli study that looked at three groups of students from sixth grade through the end of high school. The students were given two tests, one scored anonymously, the other scored by teachers who knew the students' names. The boys scored higher than the girls on the math portion when the teachers knew the students' names (and presumably they could tell gender from the first names), but that didn't happen when the exams were scored anonymously. Interestingly they didn't see the same effect in other subjects, like English and Hebrew.
They also looked at the same students years later, and they concluded that the girls who had been discouraged by their teachers were much less likely than the boys to take advanced math and science courses.
Honestly I find that very sad.
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I think the point was that shingles *is* the complication. Although if the point of the chickenpox vaccine was to prevent shingles, it failed miserably. You can still get shingles after the chickenpox vaccine and anecdotally shingles rates among young adults and teenagers seem to have risen since they stopped frequently encountering wild cases of the virus to bolster their immune response. I have seen a study on it but I'm posting from mobile so can't search well right now. So now you need to get the shingles vaccine too.....
Actually shingles rates were increasing before the chickenpox vaccine was even introduced. The scientific studies that I've seen seem to be saying that the vaccine seems to be decreasing shingles rates.
This is one study in Canada:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X13012498
Edited to add that the effect of the vaccine on shingles in older people remains to be seen because the vaccine hasn't been around for that long.
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I have seen a lot of teens and adults with complications because of chicken pox, but I had never met anyone before that had is as a kid and had complications. My kids have all had chicken pox, but they had it mildly enough that I have had my oldest's titers checked to make sure he's good since he's getting a little older. I'll do the same with my next two. As for others being able to be vaccinated, if your dd has a reaction to it, what makes you think that ALL other children can take it. Others are just as much not willing to risk their kids health as you seem to be. You won't vaccinate your dd due to risks with the vaccine. There are others out there that are in the same boat.
Completely anecdotal, but I was personally hospitalized at age 3 for complications from chickenpox. It was very traumatic for me, and my earliest memories are from the hospital. I realize it was a rare event.
I knew someone many years ago who worked on varicella vaccine development. She took it very seriously and definitely did not consider it an immunization for parents' convenience.
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I would assume that hospitalization rates would go down because hospitalization rates in general have gone down.
It's hard to say because I think the incidence of measles is higher in "high risk" people, like infants and immune suppressed people. So the rate of complications may be higher.
I know the outbreak in the late 1980s - early 1990s had about a 1 in 5 hospitalization rate. I don't have time to look up the numbers right now but it was around 50,000 cases and around 10,000 hospitalized, if I recall correctly.
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I'm talking about the number of people who died from measles. Yes the number of cases went down a lot, too, but so had the number of people DYING from measles before the vaccine was ever introduced.
Look at this graph of the mortality rate.
http://business.financialpost.com/2014/04/16/lawrence-solomon-the-untold-story-of-measles/
Actually I was very curious about this graph so I've done some research. I found the original source online, and as far as I can tell, the graph is showing the number of people dying from measles in the population - "rate per 100,000 population." That is NOT the same thing as the rate of people dying per measles cases. It is totally true that the number of cases went down a lot in the first part of the 20th century, probably in large part due to improved health care, nutrition, etc. However, the average number of reported deaths per year in the US due to measles averaged at 440 for the years 1953-1962, before the vaccine was introduced. Post vaccine however, the number of deaths went to close to zero, which makes sense since the rate of deaths in the 1953-1962 era in the US was 440/530,217.
The bottom line is that the risk of dying from measles is very low in the US, but the death rate from measles per population has gone down significantly due to the vaccine. Also, in the immediate pre-vaccine era (1950-1960) the number of people hospitalized for measles complications was estimated at 48,000 per year. I haven't yet found numbers for the number of people hospitalized recently for measles complications in the US, but it has to be very low now because the number of cases is very low.
This is the peer-reviewed paper from which I got the other data:
http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=209448
This is the article with the hospitalization rates:
http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/189/Supplement_1/S1.long
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But in this case, it was fraud?
I don't know what kind of algorithm the companies use to detect fraud, but it has helped us MANY times. And we regularly travel and haven't had problems with charges when we travel either. We use mostly one credit card for everything and pay in full every month, so maybe that makes the algorithm better and more accurate. Like if they see airplane tickets and a car rental, they know what to expect. We just flew to the west coast, rented a car and drove in like a 12 hour circle over a week and never had fraud issues. Anyway - I am grateful they watch!
I mostly agree, and I'm usually glad they watch, but we had a terrible experience with fraud protection a few months ago. We were visiting NYC and had a credit card declined due to "fraud protection" at a Target. We called the credit card company and got it straightened out, but didn't realize that our EZ pass had tried to refill, but failed. We got caught in an "EZ pass only" lane going onto a bridge, but the EZ pass was declined because it hadn't refilled. We caused a bit of a traffic jam, got fined for our experience, and almost missed a Broadway show that was very expensive.
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My ds also read "Food Rules." He also read "Nutrition for Dummies" and part of a health textbook (can't remember the name, but it was not great).
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This thread is making me wonder at what age/grade/whatever do people start transcripts? Is this something from kindergarten on?
I put together the first transcript when my ds needed one, which was when he was 13 and applying for a volunteer position. I will add though, that I started keeping some kinds of records (books used, etc.) when ds started doing high school level work. We're not necessarily going to use all of his "high school level" courses on his transcript for applying to college, but I like to have the option.
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I was very free-range as a kid myself, and I let my kids loose in our neighborhood when they were young, but our neighborhood was very different from the area in this article. I personally would not have let my kids at those ages do that walk, but I think that is a decision that should be made by the parents. Heck I was babysitting when I was 10, but I personally would not have hired a 10 year old to watch my infant.
I have relatives who live in that area, and I will say that walking to or from school in that neighborhood is different because there are crossing guards to help kids across big intersections. Some of those intersections are very large, and cars are not very careful.
Also, I'm guessing that the walk could take significantly longer than you might think because of all of the traffic lights. If you have to wait for a walk symbol at almost every intersection, it slows you down.
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I've been following transcript discussions carefully because college applications are not far off for my 10th grader. I believe to a certain extent the transcript *is* arbitrary. How to divide work into classes, what you put as course work instead of extracurricular, what grade to assign to courses, etc. However, for college application purposes, I'm trying to make ds's transcript look like something that an admissions person can understand and easily compare to other students' transcripts. This is easier for some "courses" than others. It does seem to be important, at least at some colleges, to have a standard transcript with grades.
One approach we've used is to box things based on a future result. For instance, before this year, ds had done a variety of Spanish studies. He did some Breaking the Barrier Spanish, some Duolingo, some online tutoring, etc. This year he is taking honors Spanish 2 at the high school, and he has an A+ in the class. So I feel pretty comfortable labeling what he did before "honors Spanish 1" and giving him an A.
For other classes, like AP calculus, I'm assuming that if ds does well on the AP exam, if we give him an A in the course, it will make sense.
Some things, like band, I wouldn't necessarily have called a "class" and given it a grade. However, ds is taking band at the public high school, and it is a full credit class for which he has a grade. I need to put it on his transcript so that his homeschool transcript will be consistent with the grades that are sent directly from the public school.
There are some other topics, especially history, for which I have no idea how to handle. Last year and this year were easy because ds took history at the public school. He's run out of AP classes there though, so next year may be more difficult to quantify.
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If he changes to another humanities area statistics will be useful. Maybe he could do several blocks of different maths.
I totally agree that statistics are useful. I think he would die if we gave him several different blocks of math though. He's working really hard in math this year. We had told him he could do calculus over two years - AB in 10th grade and BC in 11th. He made the choice to work hard and do BC this year because he claims he can't stand another year of it. He'd rather work hard now and get it over with. So I'd really like to reward his hard work with something he at least thinks will be interesting (maybe it's hoping too much to find fun).
Right now we're leaning towards either mathematical logic, advanced geometry, or possibly game theory.
Thanks for the input.
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https://esp.mit.edu/learn/Spark/index.html
This is a program for students in grades 7-8, and it runs the weekend of March 14-15. It's an incredible bargain - two days of classes for $40 total, including lunch. My dc have loved Spark (and Splash, which is for high school students). This will be my younger ds's second trip to Spark, and he spent a huge amount of time yesterday trying to decide what classes he wants to sign up for.