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Hmm m&m bribery sounds tempting lol
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Well it worked today! I gave one m&m to dad and it was the fastest attitude turn around I've ever seen.
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What about a behavior/reward chart?
Well, we are finishing up this week's work today because I'm not giving her a full weekend off after how little we accomplished this week... and I'm bribing her with m&ms. I'm putting several on the table and told her I will throw away one each time she throws a fit. When she's done with the subject, she can eat whatever is left on the table. So far she's finished Grammar, Spelling, and History and I've thrown away no M&Ms yet... an improvement but we haven't gotten to math yet so I'm not holding my breath!
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So many good comments and advice! Here's more info:
Is there anything else going on? Does she struggle with doing what you say in other circumstances not related to school? Has she always had bad handwriting? I wouldn't make her redo work that was not neat...I have horrid handwriting no matter how hard I try. It was very demoralizing.
Some online work maybe? Time 4 Learning? Something totally different?
What math are you using?
She is very obedient in other areas of life, and no, she's not always had bad handwriting. When she cares about her work, her handwriting is amazing. We are doing Beast Academy 3A - she was loving it and working hard on the problems until about a week ago.
Lots of questions!
Was it different last year? Is this your first year? How many kids do you have? Do you have a routine? Do you get started at the same time every day?
The easiest way I have found to deal with a balking child is to get a good routine going. Breakfast, chores, school time. We will meet at the couch/table/desk. Here is the schedule for the day. Please look at it. There will be no tv until 4pm. No video games during the week. We will work for x amount of time before taking a break.
Give small choices that can still get the work done: which order to do the subjects, which paper to do it on (or even whiteboard or paper), etc. Poorly done work has the same lesson presented the next day, with encouraging a better effort. Stay non-emotional as much as possible - if she gets a rise out of you the day is derailed no matter what. And never underestimate the power of exercise! If need be, start the day with a walk around the block to discuss the day's events and wake up a bit.
Yes, it was mostly different last year. She's never really liked math. But our routine has changed a lot since DH has a new job and he's home a lot more. We don't get started the same time each day, and I have been really lax about the schedule because we're all adjusting to the new job, so that's probably the first thing that needs to change.
I almost want to say back off from any criticism of her or her work.
Having messy handwriting is not a serous problem in the modern world, so I wouldn't create one.
Is it legible? I have a kid with writing that's not really legible but I choose not to criticize her (because I don't want to ruin what's good in it), but instead work on it through handwriting practice that's not associated with other school work at all.
If you have a kid with low frustration tolerance, pick and choose what's worth correcting. If she'll do math with you, then you can correct as you go so you don't have to correct. Or you can see what are repeated errors and choose those to work through together. Another option is to decide what's carelessness and let that go, and only have her correct things that will help understanding. But not everything and no recopying when she's in this state.
Another thing. There are genuine problems that cause the messy writing/good spelling vs. neat writing/bad spelling option. I'm thinking of lower working memory or ADHD with possibly related dysgraphia.
In any case, build her up. It's not her fault. Preserve your relationship.She has been diagnosed with ADHD, but treat it with OT and a sensory diet (been successfully doing this for a full year). This makes routine difficult a lot of the time because she has always had the freedom to tell me what she needs and I've always given her the freedom to meet her sensory needs however she asks (within reason - and a lot of time its her saying "I need sensory!" and I help her find a way to fill her need). This isn't sensory, though, it's attitude. It's new, it's different. It's almost like it's hormonal.
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How about sending her to school?
Yeah. Only that's not an option at the moment. If I put my foot down and get really strict about getting work done before any play, would that make a difference, I wonder?
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Type instead of write? That help my DS11 a lot
For math do verbally?
Typing makes her cry too. Literaly, if I ask her to do anything related to school she throws a fit.
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So my 3rd grade daughter (8yrs old) has decided that school is boring, and throws a fit about everything except for our literature study and Grammar (unless I give her a writing assignment related to the lesson).
I can't get her to write neatly, and if I ask her to rewrite her work, it turns into an hour of sobbing hysterically while she labors at the writing, and in the end the handwriting is better but the spelling worse. She is not willing to try anymore with her math. She falls apart when I mention her spelling, enjoyed our science experiment but only read the necessary related reading under duress.
She wants to read or play all day.
I'm so frustrated! When I enforce school, even when I sit and do it with her, we have more tears than anything else. I don't know what to do :(
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We are using this discussion guide to discuss the election and women's right to vote as we read through You Want Women to Vote, Lizzie Stanton?: https://www.teacherspayteachers.com/Product/Discussion-Guide-You-Want-Women-to-Vote-Lizzie-Stanton-2731168
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I'll have to look at the dvds! Tabs for the tip!
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We have quite the math graveyard behind us, and my public school background has me concerned about computation at the moment.
We are in the beginning of Beast 3A, and my hope and prayer with it is that she learns how to problem solve, something she's never been willing to do before. She learns concepts lightning fast, but "hates" math because her computation skills lag behind her conceptual skills.
Is it ok for me to just focus on determination and trying again, working through Beast? Or do I need to add computation into the mix with MM?
Focusing only on Beast might help her regain her love of math, but I worry that I am going to cause a problem later by not continuing to focus on computation?
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My eldest daughter is entering 3rd grade this year and we are beginning Prima Latina together. We did lesson 1 last week and my attempt to pronounce lesson 2 has me feeling like ditching Latin altogether. I never took Latin and know next to nothing, and I only have the teacher and student manual (dumb, I know, but I got them used for a really good price). Is there a way to purchase the pronunciation CD to download?
I am also teaching my 5 year-old to read... and she has language problems/dyslexia and I am concerned that her overhearing our lessons in Latin vowels will confuse her and cause more phonics problems. Is this a valid concern?
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Related question, how do you teach organization on paper? If I talk her through a multi step word problem she gets it no problems, but if she does it on her own, she has trouble organizing the steps to find the right answer.
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We used Island level this year and LOVED it!
For those of you who use or have tried MCT, please tell me why you think it's worked or didn't work in your situation. Lack of repetition, playing with language, everything seemed to be right at the level my daughter could really appreciate. She was so sad when we finished the last bit and specifically asked if there were more Mud books.
Do you use all the components? Grammar, lit, poetry, vocab, writing... am I missing any?
I ditched the poetry pretty early on in the year - she just wasn't ready for it. I plan on picking it back up next year though, I've seen a lot of growth this year. Otherwise yes, I used all the components. I really like how they support each other.
Do you find it complete, LA wise, or do you feel the need to supplement with other stuff?
I didn't particularly like a lot of the writing assignments - I was always able to find one to give her, but I ended up having to incorporate writing into other subjects. (And honestly, when I let go of the writing some and gave her freedom to write in her history studies, she started showing her true colors!) I think the grammar portion has given her a great foundation for writing though.
Do you think the writing part is doable with a kiddo reading at a beginning high school level but writing at a beginning 1st grade level?
I don't have any advice there, I tend to be the trial and error kind of teacher because gifted students is not my forte!
Anyone teach multiple children with MCT at the same time?
no, and I'm not sure my second child will be able to do MCT, or at least not early enough to do it at the same time as my older daughter.
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I don't expect 100%, I've gotten to where I accept correct concept but wrong answers if it is obvious that she knew what she was doing and the error was basic computation or handwriting. I figure I will work on handwriting separately.well, you could do a couple things.
1. Nothing. She's 8. Everything will come around again in pretty much every curriculum. Also, are you expecting 100% ?
2. give her the answer key, tell her to mark things herself and if she doesn't know why something is wrong then let her ask you and you could reteach it
3. check the work later, not in front of her. Make a note of it if you actually identify a single concept that she's not getting. Work it into a lesson the following week.
I like the idea of checking it later and working the concept back in later if it's needed.
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Yes, I really have been focusing on this. We just finished the first mind benders book and while she blew through it, it was a great introduction to having to problem solve, get it wrong and try again. I plan on having her do the next two books in that series too.I had this with one of mine and if I were dealing with a young one like this again, I'd be worried about this more & I'd be more proactive about addressing it.
Sometimes these kids start hitting hard problems and conclude the testing was wrong and they're stupid and they quit. When things come easy to you for a long time, it can be a really hard transition to find things suddenly difficult. You have to be really conscious of the problem & how to promote a mindset of working hard & being ok with not knowing, not being first, not getting it right away.....
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I do check her work. if I stopped, what would you do if you notice wrong answers that need to have additional instruction?Off the top of my head I'd wonder if she's struggling with too much focus on getting things right & getting the correct answer & that's tipping into perfectionism.
Are you checking her work and marking it? Because if so, I'd be tempted to stop. Just set a timer, let her work for a given period of time and leave it. Don't mark it or grade it. If she asks to find out if she got a question right, give her the answer key to check her own work.
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My daughter is 8 and tends to try to hide her ability.
When she was 6, she would pretend she couldn't read when in public so that she didn't stand out since none of her friends could read yet (a couple adults figured her out though - the eye Dr. tricked her into reading "ophthalmology" when she wouldn't read the word "cat", that was an amusing moment for me).
I am pretty sure she's doing something similar with math. A couple months ago she was throwing a fit about not understanding a math problem and I got frustrated with her and said "using me to give you the answer is not an acceptable strategy". Her response was to stop crying immediately and grumble "bummer, she figured out what I was doing". I've also had the experience where I tell her "you know the answer to that, I'm not telling you the answer" and she says, "oh, ok, well then the answer is xyz" and she's correct.
But she tends to throw big fits and cry over any math assignment, however small, and if she gets a problem wrong, heaven help us, she acts like it's the end of the world!
I hate the constant battle over math, but don't know what to do about it.
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Thanks ladies! After a long day I'm really tired and feel a little silly for starting this in the first place because really, who cares what my legs look like? If I want to look really nice for something I wear a long dress or skirt anyway because they are my nicer clothes. If I'm wearing shorts, it's because I'm being relaxed and casual with my family and then people will spend more time looking at my kids than my legs!
I did appreciate all the interesting ideas regarding ways to manage shaving though! :)
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I've tired Nair before, or Veet, one of the two, I reacted badly to them - I have sensitive skin on my legs in particular so I have to be really careful how I shave or I end up with terrible razor burn. I even have to wear swim shorts because no matter what option I try for shaving my bikini area, I end up with razor burn.
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Can you be more specific about what is bothering you about your legs? For example, I get ingrown hairs and have keratosis pilaris. Certain lotions have made a huge difference in my legs' appearance and texture, but your issues could be completely different.
So I have pale skin, which I don't even usually put sunscreen on my legs so my legs just rarely tan much. But the hair comes in dark and I feel like you can see the hair follicles even when I'm freshly clean shaven. I get ingrown hairs sometimes, but it's not a huge problem.
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I never thought about exfoliating my legs! Hm I wonder it that might help, thanks :)
Sorry about your accident!!
Well, I don't have a lot of good advice except to say that occasionally I go to the cosmetology school and have a pedicure. It is only $13.00 because they are training the girls and they use fairly cheap product in terms of nail polish and what not, but they use an exfoliating cream on everyone's legs and feet that binds with the dead skin. They let it dry then they re-wet and rub it off with a towel then wash your legs and feet over and over. It is extraordinary how much old skin comes off. Then they buff the bottoms of my feet, moisturize with a really good lotion, and finish with the toes. For about a month, my legs are really smooth and nice looking. The only caveat is that the car accident left me with a lot of soft tissue damage in my left calf which caused a build up of scar tissue. My calf has a noticeable bulge and is permanently larger than the other. This lopsidedness makes me feel self conscious so I never where shorts anymore or skirts or dresses that aren't long enough to cover it. Sigh...
But that exfoliation thing they do really makes a difference, and though I've tried different scrubs and what not at home, have never come close to getting my legs that nice. They also do a leg massage too. I doubt that does anything for the appearance of the legs, but it sure feels great!
I have a favorite girl at the academy who is graduating. Her last day was yesterday. It made me kind of sad, sniff, sniff.
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How do you get your legs to look nice? I'm not always the best one for getting all girly, but I have noticed that my legs never have that smooth, feminine look to them. It bothers me more when I go out freshly shaven and notice how silky other women's legs seem compared to mine. So what am I missing? I feel like I grew out of all the gangly teenage stuff except the weird legs! and this 33 year old is ready to fix that, if it's something that I can fix!
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How do you get your legs to look nice? I'm not always the best one for getting all girly, but I have noticed that my legs never have that smooth, feminine look to them. It bothers me more when I go out freshly shaven and notice how silky other women's legs seem compared to mine. So what am I missing? I feel like I grew out of all the gangly teenage stuff except the weird legs! and this 33 year old is ready to fix that, if it's something that I can fix!
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Ok so I had to tell her that we weren't going to finish the whole project today and that she had to go outside and play. Then I read through what she kept calling her "report". (I already wrote the whole report, mom! I just need to do the timeline!)
Except for spelling and spacing issues, it is actually a pretty good report, included all the important facts, some of the "interesting" facts and is quite complete (two full pages of writing, wide ruled paper, and a third page of dates and notes for her timeline)
So is there any benefit to the contrived "book report" questions that kids are required to write on in the public school if she can produce something like this without any instruction?
I think I might come up with some specific questions to ask as thoughtful extensions, like, maybe what would you ask him if you got to meet him for lunch? or, what board game do you think would be fun to play with him? (the report was on Mozart, btw)
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Fits over everything in School
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I tried reading this before I had my coffee this morning, didn't work out so well! lol. I snipped a couple things to respond to here, but thank you for your indepth comments, it is a lot to think through along with the other comments on this thread and I appreciate everyone's time and energy to respond!