Caitilin
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To the OP:
Dr. Doolittle
Little Black Sambo (I had that book as a kid, and it was my favorite because it was the most beautifully illustrated, but I never would read it to my DD.)
This book has actually been saved by being redone as the Story of Little Babaji, with ethnically appropriate illustrations.
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We are having ham, mashed blue potatoes, spinach salad with caramelized nuts and mandarin oranges, stuffed squashes (modified version of this http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/pumpkin-stuffed-with-everything-good-361169), cranberry sauce, and apple and pumpkin pie.
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When this happens to me, I listen to an audio book quietly, one that I know well, and don't need to truly follow. It engages me enough to take my mind off the 2 am worry, but not so much that I can't sleep. It's like a reset button for me.
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Budget Bytes has a great recipe for turkey burgers with spinach, feta, and onions. We make it often, and I never used to buy ground turkey. :)
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Even if none of us here has done it that way, lots of people in the "outside world" have. The great thing about EO is that it's always there waiting for you. There's no fuss, no rush, no push to join. It's really epitome of Ent-like faith: "let's don't be hasty!"
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Our parish is the only one in a hundred miles in one direction, and 300 in another. Consequently, it's very diverse. I felt comfortable coming initially as, as you say, "an Anglo-Saxon," and did not (and do not) cover.
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I used pads for about fifteen minutes in my early teens, switched to tampons, and used them for years. About 8 years ago I switched to a cup--miles better. Dds use cloth pads and a cup, respectively.
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Really? My GOA parish says remission. Huh.
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I see what you're saying about atonement ("at-one-ment" as it were!), but I don't think I agree. What does RC theology say about what sin does? How does God respond? Why is purgatory necessary?
Also, afterthought: in the Nicene Creed as it is said in EO churches, we believe in one baptism "for the remission of sins," not for the "forgiveness of sins," which I think is a crucial difference. Remitted makes it as if sin had never been, while forgiven maintains the existence of the sin, but it's now somehow been made all right. I think Mrs. A is right, that all this is related to the understanding of original vs. ancestral sin.
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Trying to take another stab at this:
Sin is about distance and illness. When we sin, we drive ourselves farther from our goal, that is, communion with Christ. To heal ourselves from the illness of sin, we must take only the first step, that of repentance; everything else is the mercy of God.
Atonement is about making restitution, evening a score, paying a debt. This is not how EO sees the relationship between Christ and humanity. He is truly the Great Physician, who desires that we come to Him to be healed.
Through the healing He provides to us in the Church, we are able to draw closer to Him, and break the cycle begun at the Fall. No longer is our earthly death eternal; after death we come into full communion with Him while yet remaining fully ourselves.
The distinction between the RC and EO idea of what heaven is, I think, is that of the Beatific Vision. The idea of a Vision inherently suggests a kind of separation, of distance, and this is not EO understanding.
But really I think it does come down to the Fr. Stephen quotation Patty Joanna has in her signature: Christ didn't come to make bad men good, but to make dead men live. Atonement is about making the bad good. Repentance and theosis are about making dead men live.
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After talking about Jesus coming to conquer death through His death on the cross on a thread on the Chat Board, I had a question come to me via PM and I asked if I could post it here to get a collective thought on the issue (partly because I haven't read Harry Potter so wouldn't be able to address that analogy).
Here is what was asked:
I don't really understand "conquer death." People still die. This may sound like a silly link, but I thought that in the Harry Potter final story. Having the Deathly Hallows made one "Master of Death." But what did that really mean? It was certainly allegorically Christian when Harry willingly relinquished the Hallows and faced Voldemort as a sacrifice. So, to say Jesus "conquered death," not "atoned for the sins of all," what does that ultimately mean? What did it supposedly alter?
Anyone feel free to share thoughts!
Isn't the problem here that this is the wrong question? I mean, EO just doesn't talk about "atoning for the sin of all" in that way. That's not what we believe that sin is about. Christ came to bring us back to himself, to heal us, not to take beatings in our place. The solution to the "sin problem" is not punishment but forgiveness and healing.
Harry, as Alexigail said above, is like the Passionbearers who approach death without fear; he can do that because unlike Voldemort, his whole worldview is filled with and based on love, while V's is based on and filled with fear.
Christ was crucified for us not because he feared what would happen to us otherwise, but because he loves us, because of his being as Love. Because He loves us, he heals us by going willingly to His death.
Thus, Harry is a [literary] type of Christ, because he meets (what he thinks will be) his end out of love. Harry is going to *heal* the world by choosing to go to death willingly and out of love.
I feel like this is repetitious, so forgive me if it is; its late in my time zone. Lol!
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Yes, I think that would be a good idea. We have used Kilgallon in interstitial years, and concurrently with ML.
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I hope it's O.K. to sidetrack this thread a bit. You are the only person I know who has completed all the levels of MCT. I know Magic Lense 1 has new material. Can you tell me if Magic Lense 2 and 3 just repeat the information of do they teach new concepts? I am asking because I think the Voyage level grammar didn't really teach us anything new. I am hoping upper level books aren't that repetitive.
The ML books are the most repetitive of the level 2 books, but each one is more detailed than the last. Dds say, "more implementation, deeper detail."
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Man, I haven't been here in a long time, but this is a topic dear to me, so I'd like to comment on it from the perspective of a family that has used all 6 levels of MCT with success.
Those who say it's not a good choice for parent-teachers who are not the best in language arts themselves are probably right. It has a high level of presupposition of teacher knowledge and comfort. I am a professed language nerd. Although I had not the benefit of the best grammar *instruction* growing up, I had the advantage of hearing flawless grammar *usage* in my home, and of being exposed to a wide, wide variety of really good literature, children's and adult, in my own homeschooled experience. MCT gave me names and understanding of WHY things that are correct are, but nothing in it was new to me in terms of actual usage. So for ME, it was easy to jump into and use, but I realize my experiences are not the norm. OTOH, I have recommended it to several friends IRL with backgrounds far different from my own and they too have been using it with success. It's really the ultimate YMMV curriculum, I think.
As to whether it is appropriate for non-gifted learners, ie ordinary bright kids, I think it is. I used Voyage level this year with my ds13 in 8th grade and another student, a sophomore who had struggled with LA in the past. For him it provided a level of instruction in the grammar, vocab, and poetry that appropriate for him, and I was able to use the writing portion to good effect with him in combination with the LToW level 1. I think that the idea to keep in mind is that it's vital to use the level that is suited to your student, without regard to what grade it's "supposed" to be for. In the case of my student, it was just that he was not ready for Voyage level material before 10th grade. Good. Start there with it, and keep moving ahead. The important thing is not to have completed all the levels, but to find the student's level and begin instruction there.
But. But. But.
Yes, I'm a confident writer, and yes, I'm good at critique. But using MCT gave *me* language to use to help direct students toward beauty in their writing; I felt that the direction he gives is sufficient for that for me. This is likely not the case for everyone, and I see and appreciate that. However, and no offense to you, SWB, I couldn't have used WWE, WWS, or FLL if you'd paid me to. I found the approach to writing incoherent, and the scripted lessons stultifying. I love your history books, and I love the WTM approach, but we just approach language skills differently, I think. The oft-quoted maxim of "the best curriculum is the one that gets done" certainly applies here! 😊
Now, my dds17 have used all the levels except Island, and they have told me that they have found MCT valuable and easy to use. They are NOT LA types--they're heading into the sciences--but used one of the three secondary levels for each of their three years of high school. We had done the first two levels together, and they did the second three independently. They are not my best writers, but they are proficient enough. (They would not be my best writers, regardless, I think. They're just not interested in English the way I am; but one of them said wistfully on the way to church today, "I can't wait to start calculus. I miss Ms. S, and I just love math!" 😂) Given the people they are, proficient enough writers satisfies me.
The last thing I want to say about MCT is that I think his focus is on beauty in expression in a way that no other program's is, and it is that that I find most valuable and outstanding. Nothing else I have seen is as focused on choosing the very.best.words in your writing, on tightening up your prose till it sings. Beautiful expression is so important, and it can easily be lost through worry about the number of adjectives or variations in verbs of speaking. (This last is one of the ways in which I eliminate novels at the library--I open to a passage of dialogue and if there are more than two verbs of speaking on the page, I won't check it out. Life is too short to read bad prose.😛) I find that MCT increases awareness of really good writing by drawing attention to what makes it beautiful, and how the author achieves that goal.
This small treatise has taken me an hour to compose, and that'll have to do, but the TLDR: do please include MCT in your recommendations; it has many strengths which are unique to it, and it can be valuable for a wider audience than is sometimes supposed.
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I'll put my own saint's name into the mix: Kassiani (also spelled Kassiane, or Cassiane)
She's a shared saint from before the EO/RC split, and she's venerated as one of the only women hymnographers in the church. 😃
Zebulon
Gideon
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The church of St. Juliana is the one in which I was baptized as an infant, although at that time it was much smaller, and in a different place. But still, I feel connected! :)
(Yes, my parents left the church, and I didn't grow up EO, so I was re-received into the church a couple years ago. ;) )
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You can substitute 1/4 C cocoa and 1T of butter for one square of baking chocolate in any recipe you happen to like. Our family's favorite is the Joy of Cooking's brownies Cockaigne.
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Katie, when we go to visit my MIL in Omaha, we attend one of the Orthodox churches down there. In the western rite parish to which we usually go, we make no special efforts in advance to make our arrival known, because it's a VERY small parish, and I have a big family--they remember us! :) if we go to the much larger Serbian Church, it is incumbent upon me to email or call in advance, tell the priest who we are, where we go to church, and that we are members in good standing with permission to receive the sacraments. It's not that we couldn't just go to church and receive--it is just courteous. :)
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Rosie, love and hugs. There are no words. He was a beautiful boy.
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My daughters' names are Susannah, Eleanor, and Cecilia; middle names Elizabeth, Beatrice, and Rose, respectively. I still don't love Mabel. I don't hate it, and I don't think it's too "old," but it's not pleasant to my ear. Ruth, otoh, I love. :)
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Hurray! :party: so happy for you all!
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I personally like them a lot, find their Christian imagery well done, and think they're not really spooky. I also really, really appreciate the way they handle teen love, both romantic and platonic. Harry's love for Hermione is deep and abiding, and wholly respectful of the relationship between her and Ron. His relationship with Ginny is warm and honest and true, but never overplayed. So few books acknowledge teen romance without making it drip off the page.
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If rothfuss endorsed it, it might be almost enough for me to play candy land! ;)
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I belong to an EO FB group for headcovering women, and though I don't cover, I feel welcome there. If you're interested, PM me. :)
CC Theology question
in The Chat Board
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We EO believe that hell is not a punishment at all: when we pass into eternal life, we all experience the love of God more fully, more intimately; for those who've loved Him, this love will be the fulfillment of every longing, but those who've rejected Him will perceive His love (which it is important to note is unchanging, as He is unchanging) as a burning flame. This is like Katie's analogy of the child and the stove--God doesn't will our suffering, we have willed it ourselves.