Bristayl
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Our group was also a 4-H group, so the kids didn't actually join a Toastmasters club. The youngest age for the 4-H group was 10.
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My 14yo dd scored a 77 out of 80 on the CLEP Introductory Psychology exam, the day after winning the local Toastmasters/4-H public speaking competition. She had started the public speaking course as someone who was terrified of public speaking.
(Thanks for giving "permission" to brag!)
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The College Board has posted four practice tests for the new SAT, in addition to the PSAT practice test they had posted previously. Also, the official College Board/Khan Academy SAT practice site has launched.
https://collegereadiness.collegeboard.org/sat-suite-assessments/practice/practice-tests
https://www.khanacademy.org/sat
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I am not really asking how to represent dual credit on the transcript, and I realize this is probably an "ask the college" question. But I was wondering if anyone has any experience with a case where a selective college wanted to see four years of high school Spanish. If your student had taken Spanish by dual enrollment, did the end-point college consider 4 semesters of college Spanish to be the equivalent of four years of high school Spanish? Or did they really want to see Spanish taken each year of high school?
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Well, I have now remembered that I need to count dual credit as fulfilling high school graduation requirements in order to avoid potentially being charged out-of-state tuition at an in-state public university because of excess credit hours (state legislation).
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I have been thinking about/planning for high school for a long time, so now that I have one going into 9th grade, it's nice to be on this forum legitimately, haha!
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And you're doing all of this just for Villanova?
No, Villanova was the college that the person whose thread I mentioned above was working with.
On the other hand, the answer would not be to make her do extra high school credits on top of her college. She'd not be able to handle the workload. The first quarter at DE she really struggled with time management. It's gotten better, but before Christmas she did pretty much nothing else, either homeschool classes (we wanted her to do 1 1/2 high school credits) or even just general life "stuff" (keeping up with chores, etc). She is going to finish a half-credit of high school over the summer and we are not planning any more homeschooled credits, though I'm sure doing college apps are going to feel like a class. Even if your DD could handle a full load of DE and homeschool credits, I think she'd be resentful of the number of hours per day required for school in that scenario, unless she's extremely focused and ambitious. Teens want to have fun, see their friends, read a book for fun once in a while, etc.
Thank you for sharing your experience about this; that's helpful. I will definitely be seeing how things go and scaling back as necessary.
You should definitely challenge your student to the extent of their ability, but if the goal is to max out on DE credits, then you should probably choose colleges that accept those credits, rather than attempting to max out on DE while also doing a full, regular high school program so that all the DE's are "just extras."
She is actually more likely to go with a college that does accept dual credit; I was just thinking about how to keep options open in case she decided she wanted to "aim higher."
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Wow, Lori, you put a lot of time into that! I appreciate that!
Just for the record, I was considering the non-science college classes to be worth 1/2 credit because they are 3 college credits rather than 4; I am following the practice of my local high school in this. So I wasn't seeing quite as many high school credits as you were. Some of the college classes may be done during the summers. Also, she isn't really going to be doing Geometry and Algebra II simultaneously. We actually started Geometry this year in 8th grade when she finished Algebra I, and will finish it next year before starting Algebra II, but I thought it would look weird on the transcript if I put it that way.
We actually are aiming at a state university that does accept dual credit, but just recently I was wondering if we should keep options open in case she wants to apply to colleges that are more elite, and it seems that a number of them don't accept college credit that counts toward high school. I felt that I shouldn't do a transcript one way for one college and a different way for another, so I was trying to cover both possibilities.
As for AP, I feel that the classroom setting would be a better fit for her, and it would give her classroom experience before actually going away to college, as you mentioned. But I do see that some schools seem to prefer AP to dual enrollment.
At this point I don't see a benefit to graduating her early; I'd rather take the full four years for high school.
I definitely hold plans loosely--in fact, tweaking "The Plan" is probably my favorite hobby! (Yeah, I'm weird.)
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We actually have only done the courses marked "2014-2015" at this point. I realize it is a lot, and it is certainly subject to change if it proves to be too much.
The reason for doing four years of high school English along with college English is so that the "high school graduation requirements" would be fulfilled without using the college credits.
ETA: Also, a few of the high school courses would only be 1/2 credit.
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Ok, trying again to post this with a simpler table.
This is what I was thinking of doing on the transcript. The first table would be the high school requirements; the second would be the college credits not used for high school requirements. Does this format look reasonable?
COURSE CATEGORY
English Language Arts
2015/2016 English I
2016/2017 English II
2017/2018 English III
2018/2019 English IV
Mathematics
2014/2015 Algebra I
2015/2016 Geometry
2015/2016 Algebra II
2016/2017 Precalculus
2017/2018 Calculus & CLEP (score XX)
2018/2019 Statistics
Science
2014/2015 Biology with lab
2015/2016 Chemistry with lab
2015/2016 Veterinary Science
2016/2017 Physics with lab
2016/2017 Lab & OneHealth Science
Social Studies
2014/2015 Psych w CLEP (score 77)
2015/2016 SFASU GEO 131 Wrld Geog
2015/2016 US Hs w CLEP (score XX, XX)
2016/2017 US Govt w CLEP (score XX)
2016/2017 Economics
2017/2018 World History
Languages Other Than English
2014/2015 Spanish I
2015/2016 Spanish II
2016/2017 Spanish III
2018/2019 AP Spanish
Physical Education
2015/2016 Track & Field
2018/2019
Fine Arts
2015/2016 SFASU THR 161 Thea Appr
2017/2018
Speech
2014/2015 Public Speaking
Electives
2015/2016 Driver's Education
2015/2016 Bible I
2016/2017 Bible II
2017/2018 Bible III
2017/2018 Philosophy of Science
2018/2019 Computer Science
2018/2019 Philosophy & Worldviews
2018/2019 Theology
Concurrent enrollment (not used to fulfill high school graduation requirements)
COURSE
2016/2017 TCC ENGL 1301 English Composition I
2016/2017 TCC ENGL 1302 English Composition II
2016/2017 TCC MATH 1324 Math. for Business and Social Sciences
2016/2017 TCC SPCH 1321 Business Communication
2017/2018 TCC ENGL 2311 Technical Writing
2017/2018 UTA BIOL 1441 Cell & Molecular Biology
2017/2018 UTA BIOL 1442 Structure & Function of Organisms
2017/2018 UTA CHEM 1441 General Chemistry I
2017/2018 UTA CHEM 1442 General Chemistry II
2017/2018 TCC GOVT 2306 Texas Government
2018/2019 UTA PHYS 1441 General College Physics I
2018/2019 UTA PHYS 1442 General College Physics II
2018/2019 UTA CHEM 2321/2181 Organic Chemistry I/lab
2018/2019 UTA CHEM 2322/2182 Organic Chemistry II/lab
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The reason was because the college (Villanova, I believe) did not want to accept college credits that had also counted for high school.
Not being mistaken for trying to hide something is a good point. I also thought that including them separately would make it clear just how much work the student was doing.
Thanks!
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Thanks, Lori. Yes, I realize that all college transcripts would have to be submitted. What I meant was that if the dual enrollment classes are not needed for my homeschool high school requirements, then I would not list them as you have above. Just to clarify, I am talking about colleges that will only transfer college credits earned during high school if they were NOT counted toward high school requirements.
I was just wondering whether to list the college credits in a separate section clearly marked as "not used to fulfill high school graduation requirements", or just not include them on the high school transcript at all. I am inclined to list them in a separate section so that the admissions people can see that the courses were completed in addition to those listed as high school credits, but I had read one thread that you had linked in your "Transcripts, etc." pinned thread that described the experience of someone who wished she hadn't listed dual enrollment on the high school transcript at all.
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For a college that won't accept college credits if they were used to fulfill high school credits, would it be better to list the college credits in a separate section on the high school transcript and note that they were not used for high school requirements, or would it be better not to put them on the high school transcript at all, and just let the college transcripts speak for themselves?
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True. Thanks for that perspective.
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I would say she likes both, but that's a good point. Thanks for sharing that.
I had seen the beginning of the science posts but had forgotten about them--thanks for bringing them back to my attention so I can go through them!
After posting yesterday, I got to thinking about how my dd has always enjoyed created three-dimensional art, such as origami. When she was younger, she would make very detailed tiny creatures (usually Pokemon!) from polymer clay. Not sure if that tells me anything about any possible aptitude for engineering, but I was musing about it.
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That's a thought, but to me she really seems like more of a science type than am engineering type.
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Thank you for the personal example!
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Thanks for the encouraging example!
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Thanks. I guess I needed to get rid of my assumption that not working in the exact area you prepared for would be automatically a negative thing.
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Thank you for those calming words, Regentrude!
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I have been reading a number of articles like this one, which is a more recent article by one of the writers quoted in the "STEM Pipeline" thread:
He acknowledges that the unemployment rate for STEM PhDs is very low, but he says, regarding biomedical science PhDs:
"But unlike the computer geniuses, many doctorate holders end up working a bit outside of their fields. Among biomedical science grads, only 59 percent landed in a job “closely related†to their fields of study, down from more than 70 percent in 1997. Among chemists, the percentage was 52 percent, down from 55 percent a decade earlier."Is this a tragedy? No, especially because Ph.D. holders, in the long term, tend to make good salaries and leave school with low graduate student debt. (Unlike their counterparts in the humanities, their studies are well-funded by all those research grants.) But it’s a sign that all is not exceptionally well in the job market for many scientists. Right now, the system asks students to sign up for around a decade of study and low-paid apprentice work to prepare for research careers that may not be there in the end."How does this jive with the infographic in the "STEM Pipeline" article (http://cerasis.com/2015/04/29/stem-jobs/) that shows a 36% projected growth rate for medical scientists?My dd is interested in biomedical science--research in particular--and these seemingly contradictory articles are discouraging. But I don't see what else I would encourage her to look at as an alternative. While she has a good intuition for math, I am not sure she would want to go into engineering or computer science. I think she should still explore science/research if that is what she is interested in. -
A full-length practice test for the PSAT that will be administered this October is now available here:
https://collegereadiness.collegeboard.org/sat-suite-assessments/practice/practice-tests
However, they will not be posting how to convert your raw score to a scaled score until summer.
The page also says that SAT practice tests will be available in early June.
The Khan Academy official practice was originally supposed to be ready by May, but now it says June.
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Yay, I will have an official high schooler this fall, so I get to participate in this thread.
Social Science:
American History (Sonlight 100 and 2 CLEP tests)
World Regional Geography (online DE through a 4-yr uni)
English: American Literature (Sonlight 400)
Bible: Sonlight 100
Math: Continue with Geometry and then Algebra II (Khan Academy)
Science: Chemistry (Apologia)
Foreign Language (or as they are now calling it in Texas, "Language Other Than English"): Spanish II (allinonehighschool.com)
Fine Arts: Theater Appreciation (online DE thru 4-yr uni), and continue with piano; she also does origami for fun
Driver's Ed (yikes!)
Extracurriculars: Veterinary Science 4-H club, homeschool track club, youth group
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We were told any more than 32 hours and she would not have entering freshman status, but would be a transfer student.
These rules change ALL THE TIME--- always check with the school the DE will be taken through AND the school you are wanting to transfer to (make sure they have a writen agreement to accept the DE/transfer credits!).
Thanks for the additional info, Jann. From the information I received, it looks like the rules have changed since then, but I will keep my ear to the ground in case they change again!
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Well, it's not really a group per se, I probably gave the wrong impression. It is more of a class that a Distinguished Toastmaster gives every semester (he has been doing this for 22 years), and 4-Hers from any club in the county can take the class. My dd took two semesters.