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20 minutes ago, PeterPan said:
What scoring results did the test give you? Looking at percent correct is not a valid way to interpret a test. You want to look at the standard scores or or standard deviations. The test should have kicked you out some other kinds of scores, so definitely look at that. I'm all for intervention, sure, and do a ton with my ds, but first interpret the test correctly.
So as far as intervention, the test is pointing out to you some helpful things. A lot of times people think of inferences as only predicting, but actually they're much more extensive. If he's having issues with inferences AND sequencing, that's pretty significant. Depending on the degree of what is going on and the overall picture, I'd be wanting to know why. That's a pattern that can be associated with some other problems (ADHD, ASD), so you're going to want to be looking at the whole picture.
As far as levels of intervention, you have something like the Spotlight on Reading series from Carson-Dellosa. I've been using it with my ds, and it's good stuff. https://www.carsondellosa.com/search-catalog?q=spotlight &fq=showonly_string_mv-AND|bookmediatype-ebook;agegrades_string_mv-AND|Grade 2 %2F Ages 7–8 It has grade leveled books and approaches things sequentially and carefully. That will be a mid-level of intervention. Intervention in the ps will have tiers (1-3), so I'm not saying it's labeled for that. It's just more of an affordable, pick this up, it's organized intervention. There are published programs that will be labeled by tiers (tier 2, tier 3, etc.) that will be even slower-paced and take more time with scripted models where they underline their evidence, etc.
Then you can step over to SLP materials, which are NOT hard to pick up and implement. The reason I'm showing you them is because they tend to hit across a variety of categories and not get stuck in just one. http://www.linguisystems.com/products/product/display?itemid=10518 Here's an example. Might give you just enough of a jump start that then you'd realize all the ways they should be applied across the curriculum, and then you'll be able to work on them in your lit, etc. Linguisystems also has a Spotlight series (NOT the same as the CD one) that works on inferences. http://www.linguisystems.com/products/product/search And if you go to Super Duper Inc, they have games, etc.
Sequencing is a bigger issue. It is connected to inferencing, but it will affect narratives. How are his narratives? Can he tell you about his day? Can he retell a story?
Sometimes, when a dc has one set of test scores that is low, sometimes it's that he had a bad day, his blood sugar was low, his pencil was in the wrong column the whole way, the paper was turned the wrong way, something was distracting him, he wasn't feeling well, whatever, kwim? You said it's in all his life. Is he seeing an SLP for the stuttering? They'll be the natural ones to talk this over with. There's a Test of Narrative Language they can run that might show a lot. It will hit inferencing, sequencing, expressive and receptive language. It's just super duper. Like if they don't have it, compel them to buy it. It's not that expensive, and once they run it they'll be ecstatic. Now not every SLP is into expressive language. You may need another SLP if the one you're using isn't. They're actually not that common and you may need to look around. But that's what you're looking for.
Come hang on LC. I've got a motherload narrative language thread going. Ignore the autism label on it. ?
I appreciate the suggestions. Will come back and read in more depth later as I'm out right now, just wanted to address a few comments.
I did ITBS Complete Battery and CogAT
I do know how to interpret the results, I was just pointing out his own percent correct to demonstrate the issue. For the difference between student and nation he's well off the charts on the positive side for everything but these categories (and sustained listening). For these, he's well on the negative side for most and off the chart for the negative on predicting outcomes.
He did great on all the rest of the test, even parts taken at the same time I administered and was watching, so I know that these were things that he specifically had difficulty with
My older son has autism. I've never noticed anything in this child that makes me suspect autism.
We just did an evaluation for the stuttering last week with someone who specializes in stuttering, but she doesn't take insurance, so I'm on the lookout for someone else. Apparently, most SLPs around me only see preschoolers.
Telling back a story is EXTREMELY difficult and frustrating for him. We just finished WWE3 and we aren't going on because it was just tear-inducing every narration day.
Will come back to this later. Thank you so much!
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I just received results from my 8yo's first standardized testing. Honestly, I was shocked at how well he did. He was above the 90th percentile for everything but one category. But, apparently this one category is really holding him back not just in schoolwork but in life. It's labeled inferential comprehension and includes:
inferential meaning
concept development
predicting outcomes
sequential relationships
He did very poorly on this whole section (as in his percentage correct in every subcategory would be a failing grade). Looking up inferential comprehension, I see that other types of information under this category would be things such as generalizations, cause and effect relationships, future predictions, and unstated main ideas. These are all things he struggles with and always has. And like I said, this is not just in his schoolwork, but in all areas of his life (leading to my shock at his overall high scores). Full disclosure of his challenges in case anything is relevant: he was diagnosed with ADHD several years ago and he started stuttering a year ago.Is there is anything in particular that I can do to help him learn these skills?
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My husband used Goldschmidt's "A Concise History of the Middle East" in an intro to Middle Eastern history course two years ago. I read it as well and thought it did a pretty good job of covering the material.
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44 minutes ago, Laura in CA said:
That's a good idea. All I could think of was to put the WSJ subscription on a credit card that was going to expire in a year or two. That works for some things (you just get desperate appeals for updating your card info, when the subscription can't auto-renew), BUT I recently found out that some automatic renewals are processed by the credit card company even if your card has since expired (and they've sent you a new card w/a new expiry date).
Yes, I didn't cancel auto-renew on a couple of things on my card because it expired a few months before, but they went through anyway. My mom's Netflix subscription continued on a monthly basis for an entire year after she got a new card before it stopped working and they asked for her new number.
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38 minutes ago, sweet2ndchance said:
Having dealt with this type of uber exclusive, statement of faith type homeschool group in the deep south myself when we lived in the deep south, another thing that comes to mind is the dress code mentioned by 'it's my party' girl. The homeschool group I dealt with used to organize homeschool pool days with a dress code. They would never, ever take their children to the pool on public swim days because of the swimwear other people wore, so on their homeschool swim days, there was a dress code. Boys had to were long board short type swim trunks and a non-white, loose fitting top. Girls had to wear swim dresses that reached at least to the knees and was not form fitting. And fathers were not welcome on homeschool swim day 'for the other children's safety'... needless to say we did not attend their swim day, which they claimed was open to all homeschoolers not just their members, and opted to just go to the pool on public swim days in our normal swim attire.
As a resident of the Southeastern US, this was my thought as well if this is a water-type place.
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On 3/21/2018 at 7:28 PM, JHLWTM said:
Reviving this old but helpful thread.
For those who used OUP Ancients, did you try to get through the whole set in one year?
DD is finishing up SOTW 4 this year (she has been through SOTW 1-4). I'm thinking through what next year's Ancients might look like for her. I bought an inexpensive, used copy of K12's History Odyssey (ancients) and had planned to use it as a spine, but after looking through it, it doesn't look terribly exciting, and I think DD is itching to get more into social history and not just linear, narrative, dates-and-facts history. (Don't get me wrong, she loved the SOTW series, but I think she's ready for a change).
DS went through SOTW1 with us.... when he was 4.... so I plan to use that with him next year. I had originally planned K12 for my daughter to use as a spine, with OUP as a supplement, but now I'm thinking of having her re-read SOTW1 as a spine (which will be pretty quick reading for her) and use OUP as her main history resource. Does this seem reasonable? Is it foolish to try to finish the whole OUP set in one year? Should I let her just pick 3-4 of the books that are of greatest interest to her and focus on hers? I'm unsure as to output at this point. I'm thinking of asking her to do one written narration per week and to integrate history into her artwork. I was thinking of a longitudinal history and arts project where she creates a series of art pieces based on / inspired by her history readings. There will also be a timeline for her to keep (which doesn't take long).
We also plan to do US History over 4 years (grades 5-8). I purchased Hakim's History of US and plan to stretch it out over 4 years. I wasn't planning to require major amounts of output from this. Basically a blank notebook where she keeps a timeline and notes about important people or events. But no full blown written essays or major projects (unless she is interested).
Appreciate any advice / critique!
For logic stage ancient history, we used K12 HO and all the OUP books (did not read all of America or Asia that year though as they both went beyond our time span), along with many other books with Tapestry of Grace. It's definitely doable, but would depend on your child's reading ability and interest level. My son loved HO and the OUP books.
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I've completed the program with one child and am finishing Level 3 this week with my next child. I didn't feel it became more complicated or teacher-intensive at any point. The assignments for the child do change over time. We've always used it as written, taking one week per lesson. I do review, new teaching, and word list on Monday, break up the sentences over Tuesday-Thursday, and Writing Station on Friday.
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Thank you so much everyone!
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I searched with google, but it's only pulling up twelve threads and I know I've seen more than that over the years.
I had planned to take the kids to Colonial Williamsburg for Homeschool Days this spring, but DH got the flu and it didn't happen. Should I wait until fall for the next one or go next month when we finish school (we just finished Colonial America/Revolutionary War)? What's the advantage of going during Homeschool Days?
And I'm looking for advice on lodging, how long to stay, what to do, etc. I'll need room for five (two adults, 12yo, 8yo, 4yo). We'll drive up from 6 hours south and plan to do Jamestown first.
I know there are two Jamestown sites. What's the difference? Time required for each? If only doing one, which one?
Any and all advice welcome/appreciated!
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I can tell you the issue I asked about in the OP was a typo and will be on the errata on the website. I have also found typos, but I haven't reported them all. Maybe klmama has them somewhere listed?
Thank you! I saw this issue listed on the errata and made note of it in the book.
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There are a number of errors in this first printing that don't appear on their errata page, which they haven't updated for a long time. I've sent them several things beyond the last error shown, but nothing has been added to the list. I like the program overall, but this is a good reminder to self not to purchase the very first printing of a new curriculum that requires such a detailed key.
Any chance you could post them here so those of us who haven't started yet don't have to find them ourselves?
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An odd question--is there a site that shows intersecting people? So showing how John Jones is related to Mary Jones? As you can tell, I'm a newbie!
I'm trying to connect a relative to a well-known person. Same last name, same birth year!
With Ancestry.com, everyone who takes a DNA test can attach their DNA to their family tree. Then, you are also matched with everyone else who's tested whose DNA matches yours. If they have also attached their DNA to their tree and you both have the same ancestors in your trees, Ancestry will alert you with a "Shared Ancestor Hint" and show you the path through each of you to your common ancestor. You can also subscribe to Ancestry's databases to access information from the records that they've digitized and indexed and add those togour tree as well.
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this is my ancestry dna - the point for me, was to find the connections for dead end lines. I have two lines I'm hoping to be able to break through, both are great-grandmothers and involve parents dying when a child was young and ending up raised by someone else - and almost no paperwork to be found connecting them to anyone. (one I have her mother's family. the other I have zilch until she marries). both are here in the states.
these are dna matches. they come up as dna matches because they have had their dna tested. I have 3554 people on my main tree - I still have two direct-ancestor complete dead ends at the 2ndggp level due to early deaths.
I have a 2ndggf who the only thing I know for certain about him is his last name is miller, and he lived in illinois. . . . he was married to my 2nd ggm for <2years before she died. I have two matches that are most likely my illinois miller line - while they have different information to each other, they probably fit together with complete information. (brothers/cousins)
that's possible. . . . I've ended up only bothering with people with a tree.
I did find my paternal gf's neice. . . . that's a line with whom I've had zero contact.
what I'm finding interesting is almost all the matches I'm finding - are my mother's side. (except for the 1st cousin once removed on my dad's side. - no, I take that back. I found one more who may help me punch through a dead end on that side.
Since you're looking for more distant ancestors, it would be helpful if you had access to older generations on those lines test. For instance, my husband's 2G-grandfather was unknown. Since his father has twice the DNA my husband has on that line, testing my father-in-law yielded closer matches to that unknown line and enabled me to more accurately predict the relationships, leading me to who the unknown ancestor was. Even if a direct-line ancestor isn't able to test, an aunt/uncle or great-aunt/uncle helps also.
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I live in the South. Every summer, we drive up to New England to visit family. I am the laziest person you will ever meet. In other words, not once have I ever thought about joining a gym and certainly not one a thousand miles away from my home. Last summer, while visiting with my uncle whom we hadn't seen in years, he was telling us what he'd been doing in recent years. He told us about how he had run a gym for a few years in (Town 20 miles away that we had never been to) and was looking at doing so again. The next day, my phone was showing me ads for gyms in that small town that I've never been to, never searched for, never thought about.
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Thanks. That chart is showing what I found as I fiddled with it, that the transfers don't work if you have the newest versions of the data from 23andme. :( Any word on the street on when that will change? The GEDMatch Genesis worked, but not the others.
Ah, yes, the newest chip from 23andme is not compatible with most sites. There's been no word on when that will change. If you test with Ancestry, that one test will allow you to get into all the other sites. You can often find Ancestry tests on eBay from reputable longtime sellers for $40.
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Ok, this is cool. I didn't know you could do transfers to the other gene/heritage sites....
This is a good post outlining what you can transfer where: http://thednageek.com/whats-new-in-autosomal-dna-transfers/
Also, because Ancestry is not good at accurately telling customers the possible relationships for a given amount of DNA, this is an excellent tool. You just input the amount of centimorgans you share with your match, and it gives you the possible relationships and their probabilities. https://dnapainter.com/tools/sharedcmv4
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I help people find their biological families using autosomal DNA testing and genealogy. The vast majority of people who test do so to see their ethnicity results and have no interest in genealogy or finding family. In fact, it is recommended that those searching for family NOT contact matches until they've been thoroughly investigated because some will delete their results rather than help an adoptee or someone searching for an unknown father. Often, you can figure out someone's family tree based on their username and the shared matches. Newspaper archives, social media, people search sites, and just plain google can give a good picture when trying to figure out how people relate. Some people have very basic family trees that make it easier to trace them back and find the common ancestor.
Ancestry almost doubled their number of kits sold this Christmas season. As those results come in over the next few months, expect many more of those matches with no trees as people who got them as gifts for Christmas get added to the database.
ETA: also, some people don't know that they can connect their DNA to their tree, so always go to their profile to see if they have a tree but just don't have the DNA attached. The list of matches pages only shows a tree if they actually attached their DNA.
You can also download your raw data and upload it to FamilyTreeDNA, MyHeritage, and GEDmatch for free. That puts you in all the major databases besides 23andme. Ancestry and 23andme are the only ones who don't allow transfers.
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I am using Junior Analytical Grammar alongside Narrative 2 and Chreia. It’s working fine but I find it low on instruction, and I think it’s only working for us because we covered FLL 3 and 4 first. My plan is to return to WTM Grammar next year. Hope that helps.
That's exactly what we did. My son had gone through all four levels of FLL (as well as three levels of MCT). He did JAG the year he did W&R 3-4. We took off from grammar this year, but we're going back to WTM for grammar next year.
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I would have thought unknown was a predicate nominative and unused was a verb. I can't conceive of unknown being a verb.
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My 8yo and 12yo have these and love them. https://www.amazon.com/Parrot-PF727001-Mambo/dp/B01JYR44MY
We got the certified refurbished. One stopped working after its first outing and they gave us a full refund and we got another one. We've had no problems with it. We bought the controller for one drone, the other one we just use the smartphone app to control.
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W&R is meant to be used along with a grammar program. I used Junior Analytical Grammar with it the year my oldest was in fifth grade (had used FLL and MCT before that). We took off this year (6th) from grammar and next year for 7th will be using WTM grammar.
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To me the most offensive thing about him was his ugly, vicious anti-Semitism. That he claimed regret when caught (after denying he had ever spoken that way) did not make me feel safer or more respected as a Jew around his admirers.
Much less visceral is my offense at his approach to 'sharing the word'. I have great respect for many Christians and how they embody and share their faith, but none at all for the patronizing, saccharine, (in my eyes) false production I saw from him and his ilk.I
It is distressing to have the negative feelings share here dismissed as anti-Christian when they have been clearly naming specifics that are not true of Christianity as a whole. (That distress is the only reason I am posting here. I understand that what looks large to me is trivial to those more in alignment with his less offensive qualities and I am very sorry for your loss.)
This. He denied the things he said, calling Nixon's aide a liar, until the tapes came out. Then, suddenly he was embarrassed and falling all over himself to apologize and he didn't really feel that way, he was just going along with what Nixon said... What kind of spiritual advisor would do that? Not to mention his proposal to Nixon that he commit war crimes in Vietnam and kill a million people. And the fact that by passing on the mantle to his vile son and not condemning his words and actions, he indicated to his followers that Franklin had his blessing and support to do what he's done.
Everyone has good in them and everyone has bad in them. To pretend that someone was a saint just because they're dead does history no favors. If we can't look at the departed as whole individuals, warts and all, we do a disservice to ourselves.
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Sounds like tics to me also. IDK if it's related, but my ADHD son went through a nose-touching tic for about a year when he was 6. He literally wore the skin off several times.
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My oldest is on Book 6, Commonplace. I *love* this program. Books 7 and 8 for next school year just came today. My oldest has high-functioning autism and this has been amazing for him. It has just the right amount of scaffolding and does not demand the creativity skills that he lacks.
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How to work on inferential comprehension?
in General Education Discussion Board
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Hmm, I suppose he does have some issues with this, but I honestly thought of it more as mimicking his brother's behavior (my older son is high-functioning--most people have no idea). Both of them constantly repeat phrases. He also (and this is different than his brother) has a few stock questions that he uses to start conversations constantly (the same few questions over and over).