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  1. 4 hours ago, 8FillTheHeart said:

    I am not familiar with Lials. I use Foersters with my kids. It is heavy with applied word problems. I have no qualms labeling Foerster's honors.


    4 hours ago, EKS said:

    I agree with this.

    After reading through older threads, it looks like Lial Algebra I was a fine course, but it’s the Algebra II that is lacking for someone who is considering a mathy career? He should be okay moving to Foerster for Algebra II having done well with Lial Algebra I?

    And it looks like there is some discussion of what amount of the Foerster book needs to be gotten through for Algebra II. I think I saw generally people on old threads here saying chapters 1-12, but I also mention of the Kolbe schedule. The Kolbe sample of their schedule shows their standard Algebra II scope as chapters 1-10 while the Honors one adds chapters 13-15. What chapters do people generally cover?

    ETA: and it looks like Veritas Press uses the book for two years and calls it both Algebra II and Pre-Calculus?

  2. 1 hour ago, EKS said:

    Lial is not honors level.  Algebra 2/intermediate algebra is considered remedial at the college level.  Having used the Lial Intermediate Algebra text on more than one occasion as well as having experience using other resources to teach both Algebra 2 and precalculus, I would put the Lial text a bit on the light side of regular in terms of concepts taught and perhaps a bit harder than regular in terms of manipulating algebraic expressions.

    And I don't think there is any way to make Lial an honors level course unless you supplement with a different resource.

    What would you recommend for a student who wanted to do an honors credit for Algebra II? What would need to be covered that Lial does not?

  3. High school maths: what makes a course honors vs. standard? My son is going into 9th grade/Algebra II and saw that his other core courses are labeled as “honors” for the work he’s assigned, but for math, I use a college textbook (Lial), so there’s no designation of what one would do to make the course “honors” level. As a homeschooler, I’m wary of designating a course “honors” without some outside source confirming what level of work is required in order to do so. He would like to have the honors designation if he can. So, my question is if possible, how? 

  4. This was in the nobility rolls for my family and relates to why my 3x great-grandfather was stripped of his title in the 1830s (in present-day Ukraine, then Austria-Hungary). I can see that it had something to do with violence and Jews, but was he committing violence or inciting them to violence or what? Can anyone tell me what happened? I know just enough Latin to be thoroughly confused!


  5. My middle child will be in 5th next year. He’ll be doing exactly what his brother did:

    History/Geography: Tapestry of Grace Year 1 – Dialectic Stage with Oxford University Press Ancient World series and K12 Human Odyssey
    Language Arts: Kolbe Academy Elementary Literature, Classical Academic Press: Writing and Rhetoric 3-4, All About Spelling Level 7, Junior Analytical Grammar and Mechanics, and Growing Your Vocabulary A and B
    Math: Singapore Standards: 6A and 6B
    Science: Elemental Science Biology for the Logic Stage
    Foreign Language: Lively Latin 1
    Logic Skills: Critical Thinking Company Building Thinking Skills Level 2 and Critical Thinking Company Mind Benders Book 5
    Fine Arts: ARTistic Pursuits 4-6 Book 1 and Violin lessons

    He also does fall and spring soccer and Cub Scouts (he’ll cross over into Boy Scouts mid-year next year) and we do a weekly for-fun homeschool co-op.

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  6. I did the purple book last year with my seventh grader. We just did it as scheduled in the book. I wanted to be done with grammar after that honestly. As others said, it was far more grammar instruction than I received in my seventh grade year in which I had an entire class devoted to grammar and mechanics (the last such instruction I received). However, my son said he really wanted to continue so I got the red book. He’s actually been doing it on his own this year and is doing much better than he did last year. We’ve done a couple of the lessons together, but overall it’s been an independent study with me checking his answers. We are on Week 23 right now and I expect that at some point we will need to do the lessons together but it has been nice to have a break from it.

  7. I’m 10 years in at this point. I have no idea how the homeschoolers around us school, besides those who loudly pronounce their unschooling, because I frankly don’t care. I know what works for us and that’s what we do. I don’t outsource any actual subjects, though we do attend a weekly co-op. It’s purely for the “socialization.” I used to spend a lot of time on here when I was less sure of what I was doing (and here I am again as I am freaking out about my first high schooler). 

    The biggest change I’ve noticed locally in the past ten years is an explosion of secular and minority homeschoolers. And I must say that that’s been a great thing for my own homeschool because it increases the opportunities for local businesses to offer homeschool programming and for my kids to interact with a variety of different people and ideas.  

    I do get a vibe that a lot of newer homeschoolers aren’t as committed to it as an overarching family philosophy and are more in it for much more varied reasons, and that some are pretty ill equipped to go it alone, whether because of their own educational background, finances, or time. So, I’m thankful that we’ve come to a moment in time when there are so many options to educate our children. 

  8. 7 hours ago, Monica_in_Switzerland said:


    Thank you!!!  I LOVE seeing "into" other people's schools.  How are you liking Windows to the World?  I have a few worldview books on my to-consider list.  

    I definitely think it’s a worthwhile program. My son rolls his eyes at the first-person style and he does not consider himself Christian and there’s a bit of Jesus-talk that annoys him. But, overall, I think he’s doing well with it. He did Literary Lessons from Lord of the Rings last year and we started this year with Teaching the Classics. When we finish Windows to the World later this year, we’ll go straight into selections I’ve made from Excellence in Literature which he should be well-prepared for by that point. 

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  9. I have weekly schedules, one for me and one for him. He checks his off as he does his work; I check mine off as I check his work. This is an example. In the top row, I write the date. In the bottom row, I write any activities for that day (like Scouts, violin, library volunteering, co-op, and robotics club that he does weekly, and any field trips). In the rows for Duolingo and Typing Instructor, I record how many minutes he spends that day. For history, he has a separate binder where I’ve listed his reading assignments for the week, questions he needs to answer for our Friday discussions, maps, etc. He works independently for the most part besides geometry and introducing new lessons for writing. We did grammar together last year, but he seems to remember the lessons so far and has been doing fine working on his own.


  10. I looked at both and chose Art of Argument. My son actually just took the final exam on Friday. He really enjoyed it. Actually, my middle enjoyed listening in and joining in at times. I’m actually teaching a class at our co-op based on it. Some of the examples could be considered controversial (Birth control, prostitution, existence of God, politics, etc.), but there aren’t a lot of that sort. I’m fine discussing those topics with my own child, so we went over them, but I just skipped over those examples in my presentation during co-op.

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  11. I know there have been many threads on this very topic, but I can’t find any since LfC was updated in 2017. I was hoping to hear from people who have used both or at least the latest version of Latin for Children. My oldest used Lively Latin 1 in 5th and LL2 in 6th-7th. He liked it okay, but he had a difficult time with LL2 (and I must admit that I didn’t go through it with him and I don’t have experience with Latin past Song School Latin 2). I chose Lively Latin because I’d heard that LfC was a big jump back then.

    My middle will be in 5th next year and I’m wondering if I should consider LfC again since we love CAP products in general. He’s done Minimus, Song School Latin 1-2, and is doing Getting Started With Latin this year. In general, he loves languages (he’s also doing Greek this year just because he wanted to). 

    So, if you’ve used the 2017 revised version of Latin for Children, could you tell me your thoughts on it? And has anyone used both?

  12. 2 hours ago, Monica_in_Switzerland said:

    I love big picture planning and hate daily planning.  I make a spreadsheet for each academic year and student, write down subjects, main goals, curricula, book lists... depends on the year for how complex the lists are.  Then, I make a list of prep work I need to do each weekend in order for the week to work- photocopies that need to be made, chapters I need to pre-read, lab materials to gather, writing prompts, etc.  


    I make weekly checklists for each kid plus a master schedule for me.  


    This is what I’m like. I buy everything and schedule everything for the whole year before the school year starts. But, I do all the scanning, copying, printing, booklists, supply lists, etc. for the whole year. I arrange everything into 36 weeks with a master copy for me that will go into their portfolio and one for them that they consult and check off themselves. 

    I’ve only ever felt the need to switch what I was doing mid-year once. And I’ve only had to change the scheduled pace once. 

  13. On 1/4/2017 at 11:27 AM, momof4... said:

    I am trying to figure out a plan for writing and grammar. I want to use WWE, treasured conversations, W&R and kilgallon. Then for grammar use FLL and MCT.


    Would you do . WWE 1, WWE 2, WWE 3 and treasured conversations, then W & R 1 and 2 and start kilgallon sentence composing , then W&R 3 and 4 with paragraph composing. Then start WWS (about grade 6)?


    Grammar do FLL 1-3. Then start MCT island, then story grammar, then town and voyage?

    I know this is an old thread, but I don’t know how far in advance you were planning and I’ve actually used all the materials you mentioned twice now (my oldest just finished 7th and middle just finished 3rd). This is what I’ve done for writing and grammar so far:

    Kindergarten: WWE1/FLL1

    First grade: WWE2/FLL2

    Second grade: WWE3/FLL3/MCT Island

    Third grade: Killgallon Elementary Sentence Composing followed by Treasure Conversations/FLL4/MCT Town

    Fourth grade: Writing and Rhetoric 1-2 followed by Killgallon Elementary Paragraphs/MCT Voyage

    Fifth grade: W&R3-4/Junior Analytical Grammar

    Sixth grade: W&R5-6 (no grammar this year as we started vocabulary)

    Seventh grade: W&R7-8/GftWTM Purple

    Eighth grade (planned to begin next month): W&R9-10/Teaching the Classics followed by Windows to the World/GftWTM Red

  14. I love seeing what everyone's doing! My oldest will be in 8th for 2019-2020. The plan:

    History/Geography, combination of:

    -          Tapestry of Grace Year 4 – Dialectic Stage

    -          K12 Human Odyssey

    -          K12 American Odyssey

    -          South Carolina: The History of an American State

    Language Arts:

    -          Teaching the Classics & Windows to the World

    -          Selections from Excellence in Literature Book I and 2

    -          Classical Academic Press: Writing and Rhetoric 9-10

    -          Grammar for the Well-Trained Mind: Red Level

    -          Vocabulary from Latin and Greek Roots 8


    -          Holt Geometry


    -          Elemental Science Physics for the Logic Stage

    Foreign Language:

    -          Breaking the French Barrier


    -          Classical Academic Press Art of Argument

    -          Classical Academic Press Argument Builder

    -          Critical Thinking Company Building Thinking Skills Level 3 (second half)

    -          Critical Thinking Company Mind Benders Book 7


    -          Artistic Pursuits Grades 6-8 Book 2

    -          Violin Lessons


    -          The Incarnate God


    -          Boy Scouts

    -          Co-op and Field Trips


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  15. I love seeing everyone’s plans! I’m mostly just doing what I did for older brother, besides the arts/P.E. additions. Here’s my plan for my next-year-fourth-grader:

    History, combination of:

    • Tapestry of Grace Year 4 Upper Grammar
    • Story of the World 4
    • America’s History: Land of Liberty
    • At Home in South Carolina

    Language Arts:

    • Kolbe Academy Elementary Literature
    • Killgallon Paragraphs for Elementary School
    • Classical Academic Press: Writing and Rhetoric 1 & 2
    • Michael Clay Thompson Voyage Level
    • All About Spelling Levels 6 and 7


    • Singapore Standards: 5A and 5B


    • Critical Thinking Company Building Thinking Skills Level 2
    • Critical Thinking Company Mind Benders Book 4


    • Elemental Science Physics for the Grammar Stage

    Foreign Language: 

    • Getting Started With Latin


    • Typing Instructor Platinum


    • Law of God by Seraphim Slobodskoi


    • Art classes at co-op
    • Violin lessons

    P. E.:

    • Soccer
    • TaeKwonDo


    • Cub Scouts
    • Other co-op classes
    • Field trips
  16. 8 hours ago, Lori D. said:

    We used both LLftLotR and LL8. I have also looked closely at the table of contents and samples of the different levels of EiL.

    The target audience for LL8 is the average 8th grader. The program also works well for a later-blooming 9th grader, or an advanced reading 7th grader. The target audience for EiL Intro to Lit is the average 9th grader. The program also works well for an advanced reading/writing 8th grader.

    Both programs are written to the student; LL8 is more informal and "friendly" in tone, and closer to the informal tone of the chapter notes in LLftLotR. The instruction in EiL is a bit more formal in tone, and requires ability/interest in independent study as the program has the student researching/looking up things as far as background info about author/times/the work.

    LL8 is lighter in analysis and writing than EiL (from the samples I've looked at online). LL8 is about a 1/2 step further in guided literary analysis and formal literature studies than LLftLotR. EiL is a "full step" further along the path of being more formal. The Literature selections in LL8 are mostly right on target for an average 8th grade reader in both reading level and interest level. Some of the Lit. selections in EiL are more advanced, so best for a strong reader if doing it in 8th grade.

    Neither LL8 or EiL teach writing, although LL8 does have a "mini writing lesson" (2 pages) at the end of each of the 12 units about some detail or aspect of writing an essay or research paper. Both have writing assignments. EiL overall is more "writing heavy" than LL8 -- but since your student is already advanced in writing, that would not be a problem.

    In addition to the above factors, I would also consider which booklist would be a better fit for this student's interests.
    (FWIW: of the LL8 selections, our DSs enjoyed all of the novels, and unexpectedly really loved the 2 autobiographical works, which we had never heard of prior to doing LL8. They and tolerated (LOL!) the poetry (which is actually praise for the program, as they are not big poetry fans, lol), and did not much care for first 2 of the 3 short stories. Of the EiL selections, in 8th grade, I can pretty safely say that DSs would not have enjoyed any of the unit 4 or unit 9 selections.)

    3 poetry units (6-8 poems in each)
    3 short stories (A Crazy Tale; Wakefield; Reflections)
    2 novel-length works of autobiographical sketches (A Day of Pleasure; My Family and Other Animals)
    4 novels (Treasure Island; A Christmas Carol; The Hobbit; To Kill A Mockingbird)

    EiL Intro to Lit
    unit 1 = 6 short stories
    unit 2 = novel: Around the World in 80 Days (honors option = 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea)
    unit 3 = novel: A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court (honors option = Prince and the Pauper)
    unit 4 = novel: Jane Eyre (honors option = Shirley, or, Villette)
    unit 5 = play: Pygmalion (honors option = Murder in the Cathedral)
    unit 6 = novel: Treasure Island (honors option = Kidnapped)
    unit 7 = novella: Animal Farm (honors option = novel: 1984)
    unit 8 = play: The Tempest (honors option = A Midsummer Night's Dream)
    unit 9 = novel: Gulliver's Travels (honors option = Pilgrim's Progress)

    There are 3 parts to the program: teacher guide, student guide, student workbook. The student guide is non-consumable and contains vocabulary, comprehension questions, and the lesson info. Here is a sample unit from the student guide. The workbook is the consumable work pages. Here is a sample unit from the workbook. The teacher guide has answers, discussion questions, and additional teaching info. Here is a sample unit of the teacher guide.


    Thank you so much! You always give such wonderfully helpful and detailed responses!

    May I ask what your high school literature courses looked like for your children ? Did you continue with LL or do something different?

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  17. Looking to decide which to use for eighth grade. DS is using Literary Lessons from Lord of the Rings this year. We’ve also been using Writing and Rhetoric and are on Book 8. 

    I’m looking at Lightning Literature 8 or Excellence in Literature Introduction to Literature. Can anyone tell me about experiences with each?

    Also, for Lightning Lit, is the student guide consumable or only the student workbook?


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