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When my son studied Basic Composition and Expository Writing at the community college (two semesters), I still assigned books from the WTM cycle at home. If it were me, I would add a literature component in 12th. Perhaps a "fill in the gaps" list? Has he studied Shakespeare?
(It is not clear what he did in English I, II, III. Is the grammar and writing or do these courses include literature?)
These are the works he has studied over the last 3 years:
English I
Grammar Component
Analytical Grammar
Writing Component
IEW Intensive C
How to Be a Superstar Student
Tapestry of Grace Assignments
Vocabulary
Vocabul-Lit Book I
Literature Component
Pride and Prejudice
Swiss Family Robinson
Les Miserables
A Tale of Two Cities
Tom Sawyer
Huckleberry Finn
Red Badge of Courage
Heart of Darkness
The Invisible Man
Hound of the Baskervilles
Poetry:
The Making of A Poem: A Norton Anthology of Poetic Forms Mark Strand and Eavan Boland
A Poetry Handbook by Mary Oliver
Poets studied: William Wordsworth, William Blake, Robert Burns, Coleridge,
Lord Byron, Keats, Walt Whitman, Longfellow, Robert Browning, and Alfred Lloyd Tennyson
Documentaries
Biography: Charles Dickens
Ken Burn’s Mark Twain
Literature:
American Regionalism Short Stories
All Quiet on the Western Front
Animal Farm
Great Gatsby
The Pearl
Lord of the Flies
The Chosen
A Separate Peace
Fahrenheit 451
To Kill a Mockingbird
As You Like It
Movies
Our Town
The Great Gatsby
The Crucible
As You Like It
Literature
A variety of short stories including A Dangerous Game, Contents of a Dead Man’t Pocket, The Lottery, The Short Happy Life of Francis MaComber, The Necklace
Analyzed poetry using Perrine’s Sound and Sense 11th Edition: 1st 6 chapters
Great Expectations
Jane Eyre
The Scarlet Letter
Cyrano
In 8th grade we did a big Shakespeare unit along with TOG year 2. We studied Julius Caesar, Much Ado About Nothing, Hamlet and Henry IVth. Last year they saw As You Like it at the Globe Theater in London and we have a Shakespeare Festival every year hear that we go to. We are about to start Othello.
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Ok this is what he is taking this year in 9th
Spanish 1 and 2 at cc
Racquetball cc- ½ credit
Apologia Biology
BJU Geometry
Health- ½ credit
English I
APGovernment
For 10th he will have
Spanish I and II at cc
another 2 courses at cc which we won't know until we know what is offered the same time as oldest's English class
Apologia Chemistry
Alg. II- possibly with JannTX
Now, my plan was to do TOG Year 1 next year. However, a lady does a classical history/literature/writing class that his friend that he takes the cc classes with is also in. She is a tough grader and nice lady. The meet all afternoon on Thursday. His friend wants him to take the class with him. In a way, I would love for someone else to work on him with his writing. On the other hand, I love teaching literature and history. Also, They will be doing from the Civil War to the modern period. That is his favorite period of time. BUT.. he did TOG rhetoric level for year 4 in 8th grade... so he has already studied this period in depth... I'm torn.. But then he could do Ancients with her or me the following year.
What does the Hive think?
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I e-mailed her so we will see what she says. I'm not sure my husband will go for testing as he thinks she is absolutely normal. He just thinks I need to work on spelling more.
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Ok thanks Merry. And we are only in level 2. She HATES it right now and says they are all baby words. We are in step 8. She spells abut 95 percent of the words correctly right now. She has no trouble whatsoever with the dictation. It is only a couple of the muffled words, but I will do exactly what you suggest. THANKS
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Yes, this is the same daughter. If she is just talking and doesn't think she is going to have to write it down, then she uses great vocabulary and sentence structure. I think when she realizes she will have to copy it and try to spell the words, she uses much simpler ones.
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It is looking like my oldest is going to graduate without studying ancient literature... Is that horrible??? I just cannot figure out a way to make it fit. Here is what he has done so far:
9th grade
English I
Chalkdust Geometry
SOS Spanish I
TOG Year 3 rhetoric ( called it 19th Century World History)
Apologia Chemistry
Logic (Introductory and Intermediate Logic for 1 credit)
10th grade
English II
Chalkdust combined Alg I and II ( He did TT Alg I and II in 8th)
SOS Spanish 2( actually finished 1 and did about half of 2)
TOG Year 4 rhetoric ( 20th Century World History)
CS Lewis ½ credit course
AP Statistics through PA Homeschoolers
Apologia Physics
Driver’s Ed- ½ credit
11th grade
English III
Chalkdust Precalculus
Spanish I and II at cc
Racquetball at cc- ½ pe credit
AP Chemistry through PA Homeschoolers
AP Government through PA Homeschoolers
Health ½ credit
Computer Programming ½ credit AOPS course (March-June)
This is what we are looking at for 12th grade:
PA Homeschoolers AP Economics
PA Homeschoolers AP Physics B
Calculus at either cc or PA Homeschoolers
Spanish III and IV at cc
English I and II at cc
I just don't see how the ancients fit... Maybe I could start doing a little of them now, but I had wanted to do it with history... He did dialectic level ancient history in 7th grade... Uggh. I've run out of time.
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A couple of questions about credits. I think your plan looks great BTW. My boys took Spanish I and II at the community college this year, but I only counted it as 1 credit, not two. And are you sure that your composition and Great Books credit will be two credits and not one for English? My English credits normally include 8-10 novels, Analytical Grammar or some other grammar program, vocabulary, timed writing and essays and I just give one credit.
It looks like a fun year!
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So.. she read the book Muddy Banks yesterday as part of Texas History. I meant for it to be a book that I read aloud. I read chapter 1 and she proceeded to finish it yesterday. So today I had her write a summary. Are these normal skills for a 4th grader? She hasn't proofread it, but did say she didn't think it was very good because she didn't know how to spell many words:
Muddy banks was a slave boy who ran away from his new master. A women him her name was Bethel Banks. She took care of him. She bout him from his new master. Muddy learn how to read and write. He thot abuot running away agin,But he didn't. She gave him his freedom.
Sigh.... I have friends at church who teach 4th grade.. This is so low.. My boys papers from 1st grade have better writing than this.
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Is part of your daughter's giftedness, keen observation skills? Does she trust her own observations more than her textbooks?
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Yes, when my dad was living with us, he took a ton of pills. She asked him where one of his pills was one day. She noticed it wasn't there!!! ( I'm talking like 15 pills!) She does stuff like that all the time. But then she doesn't notice that her pants aren't zipped.
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So.. she read the book Muddy Banks yesterday as part of Texas History. I meant for it to be a book that I read aloud. I read chapter 1 and she proceeded to finish it yesterday. So today I had her write a summary. Are these normal skills for a 4th grader? She hasn't proofread it, but did say she didn't think it was very good because she didn't know how to spell many words:
Muddy banks was a slave boy who ran away from his new master. A women him her name was Bethel Banks. She took care of him. She bout him from his new master. Muddy learn how to read and write. He thot abuot running away agin,But he didn't. She gave him his freedom.
Sigh.... I have friends at church who teach 4th grade.. This is so low.. My boys papers from 1st grade have better writing than this.
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Sorry if this is a dead tune or has already been asked, but have you gotten her a neuropsych eval? At some point you stop guessing and just go get the answers.
There's probably something there. It might be that she just learns really well when things are in a narrative or have connections (the Lincoln story) and disconnected facts go out the window. The eval would give you the answers though on what all is going on. It's only a good thing. If they find nothing, you go oh cool, now I have all this info about how my child learns. And if they find something, you're glad you did it now, not waiting till 5th, 6th, 7th, or later like some of us. ;)
Where do you find that?
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make it so.
You have a right to expect your church, husband and sons to treat your daughter and you, with dignity and acceptance and compassion, and sometimes even assistance when they see a struggle.
Oh my goodness where in the world do you get this???? I am the only homeschooler in my church and NO ONE and I mean NO one has ever criticized me. In fact, they are always telling me what a good job I'm doing and that they could never do it.. An older lady in my church just took me aside and told me that she remembered my decision to pull them out and how hard it was. She said she was so proud of me for sticking through it and said my children were great!!!
That said, I feel like I have to prove myself.. I don't want them to think I'm giving a less than stellar education.
My husband never, ever talks down to me. HE doesn't do the blond jokes and most of the time the boys don't either. My middle one knows that his sister's IQ is much higher than his and he doesn't understand how she doesn't get simple things..
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I'll look into spelling plus. SHe did all the phonics rules in Saxon Phonics and we are going back through them with AAS right now. But I don't see how she will "remember" to spell begin as Beegin when we all say it like bigin...
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How do you fix spelling errors like begin ( bigin) magnet ( magnit) unitl ( untill) because ( becus) and homophone errors?
I think this got lost in my other post.
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I agree with Candid that it would be great for him to find an area of interest' date=' and then take a class or two at cc in that area. Doing well will help to boost his confidence. I wouldn't be surprised that between the time his brother leaves for college and he's ready to apply, that he doesn't change his mind and have different ideas on where he'd like to go. He may be feeling more "clingy" to his brother right now as he's thinking ahead to him leaving home. All that means that you've done a good job raising raising sons who care about each other. :) Might be a good time to get your younger one involved in some club or group so he has friends when your oldest leaves.[/quote']
But how do you find the time to do that??? Honestly, neither one of them have friends.. We go to a church where we are the only homeschoolers. I recently read a book Strong Willed Child or Dreamer by Spears and Braund and my middle one is definitely a dreamer. He will assume that everyone hates him if THEY don't come up and talk to him. My oldest is starting to go start conversations. They have a girl that is in between them and another boy that has been a member of the church like them since birth and they are close, but not anyone else. At our homeschool co-op, everyone goes to three or four churches so they are all friends together. Everyone in that co-op from my town goes to the same church. ( When we pulled the boys out to homeschool everyone at my church asked..you aren't going to leave and go to the homeschool church, are you??) No, I love the people at our church. I love the teaching and the music. I'm heavily involved. The people at the "homeschooling" church are very nice but more conservative (dresses) than I am. So the boys haven't clicked with anyone at the homeschool group either. They enjoy youth group.
I've suggested the one homeschooling friend is involved in scouts. He didn't want to try it and to be honest, the middle of 9th seems a little late. There is a youth court in a neighboring town, but I don't know how he would react to me just dropping him off by himself.
Yes, he is drifting and has no idea what he is good at and what he wants to do. HE thinks he is stupid compared to me and his brother. But then when he went to cc, he realized that he is better than the majority of the students there. He said he isn't smarter. He just does the work... It is just frustrating..
I am ready for oldest to go, so that he can develop his own strengths. But I am REALLY going to miss my oldest. He is so helpful and fun to talk to...
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Has she done problems where she has to use the facts that she has memorized? That tends to move facts from short term to long term memory.
For now, post the family calendar in the bathroom where she can look at it and think....
As far as the top question I'm not sure what you are asking..math?? We did FLL for several years where you recited the definitions. We are doing R & S 4 right now. She was sick off and on over the last few weeks, so we didn't do it for awhile. She was trying to diagram sentences with either a direct object or a predicate nominative and for the first several examples she was picking out nouns for verbs. Once she saw the pattern, she got it again.
Yes, we are looking at the calendar and she gets it again now and can now recite all the facts again...that is until I stop doing it and it is summer and she won't know again..
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We are taking it next year.. So I'll tell you next spring.:)
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I have wanted our family to be close. ( Mine is not, but dh's family is VERY close.) I really wish, though, that my oldest was actually going off to college next year. My middle one needs him to leave.. He won't do anything without his older brother. It is like they have reversed. My oldest is starting to come out of his shell and he has withdrawn into it. For college he says that wherever my oldest goes, he will go. UGGH..
Next year will help, the only class they will take together will be Spanish 3 and 4 at the cc. HE and another friend will take to other classes yet to be determined. My oldest will be taking English and possibly Calculus. I've learned the hard way this year that they don't need to be in outside classes together as my middle one gets really mad that my oldest gets things so easily without seeming to try and he tries really hard and doesn't do as well..
Sigh..
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I posted it on the other board and someone suggested I post here. I'll paste two of my posts:
If my child does not go over EVERYTHING daily, she forgets... UGGGGGGG She has embarrassed several times lately.. How many days are in a week? Ummm 5... How many weeks are in a month... 5??
She is 10!!!!!!! I remember in 2nd or 3rd grade having her recite things that with FLL ( I think or maybe it was Saxon) 7 days in a week, 365 days a year, etc.
What is 1500 plus 1000. I don't know, I have to write it down??? Ok, in the fall we spent weeks adding theses kind of things in our head.
What is a verb? Person, place or thing... :banghead::banghead::banghead:
You would think I am not teaching her anything!!!!!! So frustrating..
Then someone asked who was quizzing her:
It is just family.. we re riding home from church and discussing that a missionary that my husband worked with is coming here to shadow him and will be staying with us. My middle son is giving up his room and asked how long and we said May 1-18th. He said, "Oh I thought you said it would be a month." My husband said more like 2 1/2 weeks. My daughter piped up and said, "How long is a month.. isn't it 5 weeks?"
I can't remember what we were trying to figure out in the kitchen but it was a real life math problem and my husband asked her that problem... Deer in the headlights look.
The verb question happened with R & S 4....
Her spelling is horrible and she doesn't write much because of it. She went on a father/daughter retreat and she had to write him a letter. It was full of misspellings. I tried phonics zoo and it was a disaster so we started AAS in January. She hates it and says they are all baby words. We flew through level one. I was going to post here and ask about a couple of problems she has with level two so far. She is getting most of it and she can recite the rules ( as well as all the rules fromlevel 3. We already did this with Saxon phonics.. She can tell me the rules!!!!) But for a word like begin she will spell it bigin because that is the way she says it. She doesn't pronounce it beegin she says it like a short i and so spells it that way. Same thing for magnet..she will spell it magnit. Or she will spell until like untill ( which is the rule, right... that you double s, l or f) Becus... Sigh. Homophones are the death of her. That was the phonics zoo lesson we could never, ever get past. I tried everything.. I have gone over there, their and they're till I am blue in the face and she cannot grasp it.
If I have her orally narrate something she can do it beautifully. She cannot write it. For cursive, she can copy it beautifully if she is copying a cursive example. She cannot write it from printing. She says she cannot remember how to form the letters.
BUT... she can memorize anything.. She loves music and can play a lot after she hears it. She gave a fabulous speech about Gettysburg for her speech class at co-op and memorized the most of the Gettysburg Address for the beginning and end of the speech that told about the battle. She never even used her notes. She has been in lots of plays and is always the first one to have her lines memorized. When she was 4 or 5.. ( long time ago) she had been listening to Oddyssey in her room. I guess it was the history series. We were driving by the theater downtown and she asked me, " Mom, if Lincoln was shot by John Wilkes Booth in Ford's Theater, what movie were they watching?" Which led to a discussion of the difference between a play and a movie. We were not even studying that. She remembered that fact from the radio theater program she had been listening to in her room.
Althought she had trouble learning to read and we did vision therapy, she now reads beautifully anything I put in front of her and with expression!!! She did a reader's theater piece Sunday in front of church and you could hear her in the back and she read everything perfectly and with great expression. She is doing another reader's theater in speech and has a main part because she does so well..
In some ways she is brilliant and in some ways her brothers are always making "blond" jokes because of the things she doesn't know..... I feel like it reflects badly on me at church or in front of my husband. People are not quizzing her. It just happens in regular conversations...
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It is just family.. we re riding home from church and discussing that a missionary that my husband worked with is coming here to shadow him and will be staying with us. My middle son is giving up his room and asked how long and we said May 1-18th. He said, "Oh I thought you said it would be a month." My husband said more like 2 1/2 weeks. My daughter piped up and said, "How long is a month.. isn't it 5 weeks?"
I can't remember what we were trying to figure out in the kitchen but it was a real life math problem and my husband asked her that problem... Deer in the headlights look.
The verb question happened with R & S 4....
Her spelling is horrible and she doesn't write much because of it. She went on a father/daughter retreat and she had to write him a letter. It was full of misspellings. I tried phonics zoo and it was a disaster so we started AAS in January. She hates it and says they are all baby words. We flew through level one. I was going to post here and ask about a couple of problems she has with level two so far. She is getting most of it and she can recite the rules ( as well as all the rules fromlevel 3. We already did this with Saxon phonics.. She can tell me the rules!!!!) But for a word like begin she will spell it bigin because that is the way she says it. She doesn't pronounce it beegin she says it like a short i and so spells it that way. Same thing for magnet..she will spell it magnit. Or she will spell until like untill ( which is the rule, right... that you double s, l or f) Becus... Sigh. Homophones are the death of her. That was the phonics zoo lesson we could never, ever get past. I tried everything.. I have gone over there, their and they're till I am blue in the face and she cannot grasp it.
If I have her orally narrate something she can do it beautifully. She cannot write it. For cursive, she can copy it beautifully if she is copying a cursive example. She cannot write it from printing. She says she cannot remember how to form the letters.
BUT... she can memorize anything.. She loves music and can play a lot after she hears it. She gave a fabulous speech about Gettysburg for her speech class at co-op and memorized the most of the Gettysburg Address for the beginning and end of the speech that told about the battle. She never even used her notes. She has been in lots of plays and is always the first one to have her lines memorized. When she was 4 or 5.. ( long time ago) she had been listening to Oddyssey in her room. I guess it was the history series. We were driving by the theater downtown and she asked me, " Mom, if Lincoln was shot by John Wilkes Booth in Ford's Theater, what movie were they watching?" Which led to a discussion of the difference between a play and a movie. We were not even studying that. She remembered that fact from the radio theater program she had been listening to in her room.
Althought she had trouble learning to read and we did vision therapy, she now reads beautifully anything I put in front of her and with expression!!! She did a reader's theater piece Sunday in front of church and you could hear her in the back and she read everything perfectly and with great expression. She is doing another reader's theater in speech and has a main part because she does so well..
In some ways she is brilliant and in some ways her brothers are always making "blond" jokes because of the things she doesn't know..... I feel like it reflects badly on me at church or in front of my husband. People are not quizzing her. It just happens in regular conversations...
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If my child does not go over EVERYTHING daily, she forgets... UGGGGGGG She has embarrassed several times lately.. How many days are in a week? Ummm 5... How many weeks are in a month... 5??
She is 10!!!!!!! I remember in 2nd or 3rd grade having her recite things that with FLL ( I think or maybe it was Saxon) 7 days in a week, 365 days a year, etc.
What is 1500 plus 1000. I don't know, I have to write it down??? Ok, in the fall we spent weeks adding theses kind of things in our head.
What is a verb? Person, place or thing... :banghead::banghead::banghead:
You would think I am not teaching her anything!!!!!! So frustrating..
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I have been thinking about this post. Math is important subject here, so if could not find it used I would spend the money. It is a program that works well for us. I would use it with each kid (if it fit) and then resell.
Here's hoping someone sells me geometry soon! :)
I am not sure I can teach it properly without the DVDs.
I don't suppose you have a VCR player? I have Chalkdust Geometry but it is on VCR.
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Update:
While not without loans, the University of Rochester appears to be VERY generous with need-based aid. It's entirely possible at this point that it will be my guy's final choice.
The total loan value, if we accept it all, is $7000 per year. To me, that's a very realistic investment in a decent 4 year education. The total grant value far exceeds the loan value - as does his 14K merit scholarship.
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Congratulations!!! And remember, there are often departmental scholarships he can get his junior and senior years if he does well. My dh got full ride scholarships his junior and senior year as a premed at Baylor because of his performance freshman and soph year. It enabled his dad to save the money he would have spent and use it for med school. ( Which admittedly was MUCH cheaper than it now!) Most universities have similar policies. Congrats to your son!!!
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I thought about that, but I'm a little afraid of burn-out. He will be gone for a week in June, a week in July and then on a family vacation for the first two weeks of August. CC starts 3rd week of August.
My plan was for him to spend a couple of hours every day in June and part of July working on filling out the paper copies of college applications and writing college essays. ( Then when they are released in August, he can just fill them in and won't have to think about it. I'm afraid his schedule will be too tough to do them justice in the fall.)