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My dd is in 3rd grade. Until this point, she has only been doing written narrations once a week along with daily oral narrations.
Here is her first re-write in Fable. We discussed using describing words, and I helped her with punctuation and some sentence structure.
The Mouse and the Cricket
One day a mouse was sleeping in a grassy meadow. A joyful cricket, bounding and singing, came across the mouse's tail. Awoken from his nap, the mouse grabbed the cricket with his claws. As the mouse brought the cricket near his mouth, the cricket cried, "Stop! Let me Down and some day I will save you." The mouse laughed so hard that the frogs hopped away. But in his kindness, he let the cricket go.
A couple days later, while the mouse was hunting for cheese, he got caught by a hungry cat. The mouse squeaked his loudest squeak. The cricket heard his squeak and came to help him. The cricket sang so loudly in the cat's ear that the cat ran away. "You laughed when I said I will save you. Even a cricket can help a mouse."
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my dd (3rd) is in HOD Preparing, and we use FLL, Intro to Composition from Memoria Press and Rod and Staff Spelling. We also use the dictation with HOD. It is working quite well for us. Use whatever you feel comfortable with.
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It has been a few years since I've read it and loved it. However, Heart of Dakota has it scheduled in the extension package of CTC for more mature 6th and 7th graders. I agree with a pp, definitely worth reading.
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The guy on the DVD's talks way too fast. It is hard to follow him most of the time.
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There are also workbooks that work with Ray's through the fourth grade level. They are called classic curriculum by Mott Media. You can see samples on CBD.
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Have you ever taken a look at Rod and Staff math? It's a mastery based program.
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We started with this when my son was a little on the young side, and one night I made up a story I told after "lights-out" about two numbers (say 8 and 7) that were walking in the woods. Number 8 said, "I so badly want to become a Ten." Number 7 said, "I will help you and give you 2 so you can realize your dream of becoming a Ten." Eight was so happy and grateful to receive the gift of two that made him a Ten and the 7 became a 5.
After this kindness they became such good good friends that they always walked together as a Ten and a Five in partnership of friendship to make 15.
For over a year it was a rare night that my son didn't ask to hear the story of the numbers in the woods :tongue_smilie:
Bill
I was going to tell you almost the exact same thing. 9, 8, 7, 6 all want to become 10 so badly.
Example: 8+7 8 is sad, he wants to become a 10. 7 runs up to 8 and asks why are you sad. 8 tells 7 he wants to become a 10. 7 asks how many do you need to become a 10? 8 replies, 2. 7 says I have 7, I can give you 2 of mine. So 7 gives 8 "2" and becomes 5 while 8 becomes 10. 10+5=15, Therefore. 8+7=15
I would show this story on a whiteboard while telling it.
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Are you talking about differnt ways of making 10? Have you tried using two different colors of linking cubes to come up with different ways of making 10?
Are you talking about making a ten to come up with the solution?
for example 9 + 7 = 10 + 6 = 16?
It might help if you give an example of what he is struggling with.
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Not to put a wrench in you plans :-) but LOE is Beta testing the K program this fall.
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Apologia sells Around the World in 180 Days which looks in-depth and good
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I have the set and have never used the chart. The phonogram cards are similar to WRTR except that their are more phonograms. The cards are also keyed to The ABC's and All Their Tricks.
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Since it was through amazon, submit for a return.
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Words like comic and finish are most likely of Latin origin. Otherwise, the first vowel would say its long sound like titan or final.
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SWR is great! But, although I LOVE the method, the results, etc, I found myself always wishing for an excuse to do something else. It is not so hard once you get the hang of it, but I really wanted to find something that was more open and go. SWR became very open and go for me for the spelling list part of it, but I never got into a good routine for the grammar, practice, and really explaining and applying the spelling rules. I felt like I was still wondering every day what else I needed to do, or which thing to concentrate on, etc. After using it every day for a year and a half, you'd think I would have got that down, but I still was finding things that I should've have been doing all along. In a lot of ways, this is a good thing about SWR. It really will last through lots of years of kids, and you can do it over and over again (starting higher up in the lists each year) and always have something new to learn.
But, I found the Logic of English and decided that it was all that I was wanting SWR to be. It is laid out logically, telling exactly what to do to incorporate grammar, spelling rules, etc and it really explains the why of spelling. Yesterday we discussed the spelling of the long a sound and drew a little chart on the board that showed how "ea" only says the long a sound in 9 words, "ai" is usually used in the middle of a syllable, "a" usually is used to say "a" at the end of a syllable, and "ay" at the end of the word. All I remember doing in SWR is learning that "ay" usually says "a" at the end of a word. Anyway, I feel like it is SWR applied and laid out systematically.
If I hadn't found LOE, then I would certainly still be using SWR. I could never convince myself to use something else, because I really believe in the method. I think any of the programs based on the spalding method would be the same as far as effectiveness... LOE is the easiest to use from what I have seen.
:iagree: In succeeding lessons you also learn the "oe" spells the long O sound at the end of 7 words. You learn all 18 words that use "igh" to spell the long I sound either at the end of the word or directly before T. I have found LOE to be everything I was looking for.
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Well, we just started today. My four-year old dd already knows how to read some, so a lot is review so far. But, she LOVES it. She's been singing a song about when the C says "s" all afternoon.
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We did, and it worked. You still have to follow it up with months of drill, and it doesn't teach 2x, or 3x, or 5x. I understood that but I wished it had.
My son loved it and it was a great start. But we did not use the DvD, we used the old book with the stories. It's pretty much the same thing though.
Really, especially for visual learners, boys, wiggly children etc.
I think it does teach at least 3's now. It got my dd past that memorization hurdle. It took one afternoon, and she remembered her facts from that point on. You do still need to keep drilling them for awhile until they are over learned.
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I want to turn everyone on to a FREE Orton/Gillingham type reading program. It's called ABC The Key www.abcthekey.com. If anyone is interested in Phonics Road, SWR, WRTR, LOE, AAS etc. but would like to teach your child to read first with the same/similar methodology, this program might be a good fit. I haven't used it, so I don't know how effective it is, but it's FREE! So, I'm going to give it a shot.
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The curriculum is not finished and is incompatible to finish up with the Spalding or SWR Ayer's list.
I know you asked for those who have used it and don't like it. Hunter hasn't used it or held it in her hands. I completely disagree with the above comment. The LOE Essentials is meant for remedial purposes and is very thorough and complete. The author is in the process of producing material for k-6, that may be why she said it's incomplete. For your purposes LOE would be very complete. It is not necessarily incompatible with Spalding or SWR. If you were to move on to either of those afterwards for the word lists, you just analyze how you learned in LOE and all will be well. LOE is open and go and very easy to use. You would learn a ton.
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I would say LOE has some similarities to Spalding in that it teaches dc to analyze words by marking them and by applying spelling rules. Otherwise, I believe it's more aligned to Orton/Gillingham. It's very systematic in its presentation. You learn a spelling rule and how to apply it. However, you also learn many things based on the phonograms that have been introduced in that particular lesson. For example, we learned the ai, ay phonograms one week, then learned some information about common "long a spellings" that "a" is most common at the end of a syllable, "ai" is most common in the middle of a word, "ay" is most common at the end of a word. "a" at the end of a word says "ah" and "ea" says the long a (it's third sound) in only 9 english words. The next day you introduce the spelling list. There are many activities to reinforce what has been learned. There is phonemic awareness training, syllibication instruction and many other things that aren't directly taught with Spalding. I hope this rambling makes sense :)
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:bigear: Would love to hear about this as well.
It's really not that big of a difference. We came from PR, and my dd hasn't had any confusion at all. Denise adds an extra sound to i like onion. She added an extra sound to u "oo" like tube. There are 9 reasons for silent final e instead of 5. And there are, I think two extra basic phonograms taught, cei, bu, gu. I don't have my manual right here with me, so this is off the top of my head.
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Deena,
Thank-you for sharing that. :001_smile: Yes, PR was not "it" for me. LOE looks like what I've been longing for. I have been sharing it with my husband. It isn't cheap to get started and that is a hurdle, yes?!
Is Uncovering the Logic of English required reading before jumping into the Essentials program?
I read through some suggested schedules on her website and I'm gleaning that if my DD5 (nearly 6) starts with this program she won't use all of the workbook the first time through. Does this mean I'd buy her another workbook after we work through the first one but she'd study at a deeper level, adding grammar and more composition the second time through? Hmmmmm. I'm still confused but will keep reading and studying until I understand.
LOE is exactly what I was longing for ;)
You don't need Uncovering the Logic of English. I did buy the book before I bought the curriculum, but I haven't needed it at all to implement the essentials program. It does have really good information in it, but it's not an essential component for success. LOE has really helped me see the big picture that neither SWR nor PR gave me.
Depending if your dd is reading and writing fairly well by the time you begin, you have two choices. You slow the pace to 1 lesson every two weeks and finish in 80 weeks. You would only need 1 workbook. Or you could do one lesson per week and finish in 40 weeks. If you felt like your dd needed to go through it again, then yes, you would need another workbook. I'll have to think this through with my up-coming Ker. She'll be a young 5, June b-day. It may be a good idea to go through twice instead of slowing the pace.
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momofabcd,
Do you do the grammar/dictation/composition/vocab section all in one day or do you split it up? I'd like to do that section all in one day but I don't want one day that is much longer than the others. I really, really think CC should carry this program and promote it. I think it looks awesome! I am counting the days until I can place my order but I'm wondering if I should wait for the cursive book to come out first. I'm not even planning to really use it much until the fall except with my little guy to do the intro work but I just can't wait to get my hands on it.....lol.
No, I do the grammar on day 3 along with some of the extras. I do dictation on day 4 with a couple more extras and I do composition, vocabulary development, spelling test and phonogram quiz on day 5. Grammar days alone take the longest, sometimes close to 45 min. But, as I said, I'm doing extras. I make sure I use every worksheet each week which include the extras. I really think for young motor skills doing dictation and composition with vocab. development would be a lot of writing in one day. I think it would be a wonderful idea if CC would promote this. It's the best I've seen!!!
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:bigear: LOVE the looks of this and I'm REALLY desirous of ordering and implementing LOE ASAP. :bigear:
I think you'll find everything you wanted PR to be in LOE. I know that's what I've discovered. My dd is learning so much, and retaining it. Did you know there are only 7 words in the English language that end in "oe" for the long O sound? Did you know only 9 words spell the long a sound with "ea"? This knowledge has helped my dd retain these words although they are not included on the spelling list. It's so logical in its presentation. You learn about a certain spelling rule and work with it on the first day. Then the second day you dictate the spelling list with some words based on that rule plus others based on previously learned rules. The third day you do grammar with phrases and sentences based on all spelling lists learned. Dictation includes all spelling and grammar rules learned, and composition helps dc learn to apply what's learned in a different way. Oh, there is a lot of vocabulary development, as well. I've found that the presentation of material has really helped my dd retain the information so much more than with PR. Also, you will still be able to choose your own literature. Hope this helps sway you, Katrina. :lol:
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I have been writing Denise non-stop the last 24 hours on the forum. Here is what I'm understanding about her future plans. First there will be a cursive book released in 10 days. There are two tracks to the program. The first is to use Essentials and adapt it to the various students you have, either working with them all together or separately as you choose. After that you would move to a word roots program and whatever spelling lists you choose in order to continue to analyze words using the phonograms and spelling rules. The other track will be a grade level type where one can use the books for the grade levels you need. This will be helpful for schools and people who want things more individualized and will also include reading comprehension. For me, I am very, very excited about the idea of teaching my K-3 together using Essentials! Here is my plan:
PreK- learn to recognize and write a-z in basic manuscript (about 1/week)
K- join us for lessons on a whiteboard
1st-3rd use manuscript workbook until ready to use cursive workbook
There are 40 lessons and 3 parts to each lesson for a total of 120. I am planning to teach one part per day starting when we start CC. Weekly we will also practice writing one letter in basic manuscript, D'Nealian, and cursive. We will start the week we start CC and teaching 5 lessons per week should get us halfway through by Thanksgiving and finish the second half during the winter/spring semester of CC. Whatever they are able to do from the lesson will be great and whatever they don't get will be fine, too b/c they will do it again the next year and can just start over with a new workbook. Day 1 is phonograms and exploring sounds, day 2 is spelling dictation, and day 3 is grammar, dictation, composition, and vocabulary development. Starting in 4th grade they will move on to CC's Essentials and will be analyzing the words given in the EEL guide from Spelling Plus but doing it in a LOE style, maybe in the spelling journal. While I work with the older ones on their CC Essentials/IEW homework the younger ones will do copywork from Pre-Scripts (CC's new copybooks) or Classically Cursive from VP as well as their LNST (Latin) and HA (Greek) page. While I work with the younger ones the older ones will do their EEL/IEW assignments.
How's that sound? I think this is exactly the kind of thing Leigh Bortins had in mind in The Core. Can't wait to order!!
P.S. I've used SWR, read most of TWRTR, and also done AAS.
I just want to make you aware that if you do grammar, dictation, composition and vocab. development on the same day, it will be a long session. There is so much meat to the program, that squeezing all that into 1 day for those young ones might be too much. Now, by the time they/he/she is/are in 3rd it, will be easy to do a full lesson in 1-2 days. I'm using LOE with my 1st grader, and the pace of 1 lesson/week (5 days) is working well and the workload seems just right. BTW, I've never loved a program, and I LOVE this one.
Hist./Lit Curriculum using the Bible as core?
in K-8 Curriculum Board
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Foundations Press has samples on their website www.foundationspress.com. There is a list of book choices for jr.
high and high school ages.