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We love A Reason for Handwriting here! There's a transition book that includes manuscript at the beginning before teaching cursive a few weeks in. My kids love printing out the entire verse on the special coloring page at the end of the week.
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It's listed on their Writing page at the bottom. This is the first book (3rd grade and up), but the second book is scheduled to be released this summer, and two more shortly after. There are threads on the MP forums about it here (with a sample of book 2), here, and here. We really work hard in Latin, so I'm thinking this curriculum would give us a good foundation in grammar without the overkill.
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Here's what I'm thinking:
Latin--Second Form + Visual Latin 2
Math--Singapore 5 (TB, WB, IP, CWP4) + LOF Dec./%
Writing--Classical Comp Narrative
Continue Orthodox Catechism
Grammar--MP's English Grammar (or possibly JAG)
Spelling--Apples & Pears C/D
History, Lit, Geography & some Writing--TOG Yr 1 (although we're really liking VP's cards + TM for all of that right now)
Science--MP's 5th grade science (Birds & History of Medicine)
Greek--Classical Greek for Beginners
French--Learnables
continue Piano, Flute & Ballet
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I have been looking around for a Latin course that has DVDs that look really great, but then I see that they use Ecclesiastical pronunciation, and I move onto to looking at the next course.
We are not Catholic, we never go to church. Ds has a great interest in going to college and studying Latin, Greek and archaeology.
Would learning Ecclesiastical Latin be that bad for him, if he wishes to pursue it further?
Could he watch Ecclesiastical videos, but remember to use the Classical pronunciation when he is doing the exercises?
Keep in mind, I am no Latin expert, so this is just our experience after four years of Latin. We have not found switching between the different pronunciations to be that big of a deal. We started out in Prima Latina, which uses ecclesiastical pronunciation, when dd was 6. We used the CDs and initially learned to pronounce that way. Then we moved into Latina Christiana in 2nd grade and continued with eccl. Then halfway through LC I we switched to Lively Latin, which gives you an option, and we chose to move over to classical pronunciation, thinking ahead to other programs we might choose down the road. It wasn't that big of a jump.
Once we finished Lively Latin, we decided to move back over to Memoria Press and began First Form. I gave dd a choice to move back to eccl and then we could use the CDs or continue with classical and do things on our own (we wouldn't use the DVDs anyway) and she chose to stay with classical. Now, in 4th grade, we just don't make a big deal out of it. In fact, some words we use the ecclesiastical just because we think they sound better that way or because that's how we initially learned them. (ex: the phrase 'veni, vidi, vici', some of our Latin prayers & songs, etc.) For most things, we use classical just b/c dd prefers the sound of it. She does know both ways to say it, though.
Deciding between the pronunciations was something that I once worried over, but I just have not found it to be as big of a deal as I originally feared. I guess what I'm saying is that I wouldn't rule out a curriculum that otherwise looked to be what you're looking because of the pronunciation; imo, you can easily switch later.
BTW, we're not Catholic either so that did not affect our decision either way. Hope that helps some...
ETA: Reading back over your post, if you dc is truly interested in pursuing the classics, I would think that it would be imperative for him to know both pronunciations anyway eventually. Just something to think about...
And here are a couple of articles to read, if you're interested. I'm not posting b/c I necessarily agree (I mean, I AM using classical pronunciation myself ;) ) but just for further reading:
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Here are some I would recommend:
American History Stories (We have read all the books, but I have not listened to this particular recording)
You Are There! Old Time Radio Show U.S. History
None of these are complete, narrative histories but rather more like vignettes, but they are a thorough covering of the major events.
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Actually, they are in the process of putting out a Book D, which will be included in the FSR package. I have it as Tanya is mailing it upon request even though it's still in beta form. It continues where C left off, and does a great job of going through long vowel sounds, then basic digraphs: sh, th, ch, wh, plus initial and final consonant blends. FSR is great as a stand-alone reading program but we're using the MP K curriculum plans that also schedule the Classical Phonics book (which is based off of Word Mastery as a PP mentioned) and SRA Phonics 1, along with Primary Phonics Readers and the other three readers included in the K package. BTW, When a PP poster mentioned Blend Phonics, I believe she was referring to this program, not blending itself.
It may not be ideal for those whose reading is ahead of their writing, but it's actually quite easy to cut back on the writing without losing any of the effectiveness of the teaching. FSR has made teaching reading pretty painless for my late-blooming son.
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For history, in the way that I think of "do the next thing," the most like that would be History Odyssey. It has boxes you check off as you complete and you just keep moving from one box to the next.
Winston Grammar, MCT and Apples and Pears seem to me to be that way as well.
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Yes, and threads tagged with "Nan's Words of Wisdom" are always wonderful too! Lots of good wisdom for elementary through high school...
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Interest driven education and *real* tea-time... by 8filltheheart
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Dd started with Dance Mat Typing.
Then she moved into Rapid Typing, which has a typing tutor and games.
Both are free.
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Looks interesting. But is it secular?
VL uses OT Bible stories for the students' translation work.
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Dd occasionally picks up the first Lingua Latina book, Familia Romana, for fun. Actually, I put it on her schedule for this week, just for something a little refreshing. (I don't know what's up with the amazon pricing - I bought it new over a year ago, and I'm sure I didn't pay a lot. ETA, I see, there's a new edition) It's fun to see her use a dictionary voluntarily :)
Yeah, we're using Visual Latin along with FF. VL is based on Lingua Latina, and dd has made it through about the first 20 lessons of VL, so for a change of pace (and because VL was starting to get to be too heavy on top of FF), we went back and she is taking a couple of weeks to go through the first chapter of LL. I also have the Mac CD that includes all the pensa and exercitia and she really loves working on that. If it works out, I might continue to move her through LL slowly until the summer when we'll likely take a break from FF and work more in VL/LL.
More than you wanted to know, but anyway, fwiw...:tongue_smilie:
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Have you looked at Minimus? You could get just the student book since you'd be using it as a supplement. Also, Ecce Romani would give you some lighter reading practice.
Here's a couple "]Latin Readers in PDF form that you can download, recommended by the Visual Latin people.
There's also the Bolchazy "I am Reading Latin" readers if you're not already familiar with them. Easy, but fun.
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Here's the advice from the Singapore website:
- Can we switch from the US Edition to the Standards Edition?
For 1A-2B it is possible to switch from the A book in the U.S. Edition to the B book in the Standards Edition. For levels 3-5, you will need to finish the B books of one level before switching to A book of the next level and not switch mid year. Between levels 5 and 6, it is not advisable to switch editions at all.
- Can we switch from the US Edition to the Standards Edition?
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The Timberdoodle website has some good tips and ideas, with links to curriculum.
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I learned manuscript first and was wondering if teaching cursive first will cause a problem with my ds being able to recognize the words in learning to read. He knows his phonogram sounds and I wanted to make the next step but I feel a little worried.
I've never done this but I would have the same concerns as you. We're kind of taking a middle ground. My son learned manuscript through Memoria Press' First Start Reading, but in MP's first grade curriculum they begin teaching cursive with their New American Cursive program. This is what we are planning on using, and it seems like a good compromise.
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First Form uses ecclesiastical pronunciation, but we use classical with it. When we switched to LL I chose to begin using classical, and then when we moved into FF, I asked dd what she preferred and she chose to stick with classical. We don't use the DVDs or CD so it hasn't been an issue. Although, IMO, the difference between the two pronunciations are not great enough to matter. Dd liked LL but also really likes FF. We use Visual Latin too just to add in more translation work and b/c dd is actually a better whole-to-parts learner.
As far as which level to go into, MP has the Table of Contents up for both FF and SF on their product pages of their website. Here's a listing from their description of what FF covers:
- the six indicative active tenses of the first two verb conjugations
- five noun declensions
- first and second declension adjectives
- 185 vocabulary words.
My first instinct would be FF, but idk what LLBB2 gets into, and it depends on how well your dc mastered the material. For my dd, the first fifteen or so chapters had a good mixture of review and new material. Now in Unit 3, we're back to mostly review (1st and 2nd decl. nouns), but before long we'll be adding in the last three declensions. FF has really been the perfect way to review and solidify material, without being too slow or boring. IMO, I don't think you can OVERlearn the foundational material in Latin. :)
- the six indicative active tenses of the first two verb conjugations
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LC I would be quite a step back from the middle of LL BB2, so it's possible your dc is likely bored. We finished LL BB1 and went right into First Form this year for 4th grade. LC I was pretty boring (with not much practice) even when we tried it in 2nd grade before we switched halfway through the year to LL. I think First Form is far superior to LCI, so if you wanted to continue with Memoria Press' products, that would still be an option. You could even go ahead and switch over now, no problem.
Latin Prep would be another option for this age, but I've never used it myself.
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Wow, what a wonderful story!! I love that he's taking such an interest in his own education! Truly fantastic!
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Ooh, that Hobby Engineering site looks great! Thanks for posting!
It looks fine to me, if only a little monotonous...I assume your dd enjoys workbooks?
If you wanted to start Latin for that age, you could look at either Latin Prep by Galore Park (I've never used it but many here do and enjoy it) or for a more traditional grammar-based instruction, First Form Latin by Memoria Press. We're using that this year for 4th grade and it is very nicely laid out. Lots of review and easy to teach. There are also videos if you wanted some help with the teaching part. Lively Latin would also be good for 5th grade; it's slated for 3rd-6th graders. We used it before FF but it would not be too easy as a starting place for 5th grade. It has more variety than FF and also includes Roman history, if that's something that interests you (or easily skip, if it doesn't).
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Guesthollow American History 2 has some good suggestions for online activities, books, videos, etc with reviews. Here's a link to the resources for the five weeks spent on the Civil War
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I think anything could work if you write it down and label or diagram. I use Winston with my dd, but I don't know if you can get a more visual learner than myself and the best grammar program I ever used growing up was Shurley. Writing the sentences on the board, seeing the labels (you could even use different colors), seeing the parentheses around the prep. phrases, etc. was perfect for me.
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I have Latin for Children A but was looking into Lively Latin for next year after SSL. Our focus for Latin is to prepare for a future in the sciences (she LOVES Life Science) and Prima Latina is more on the Ecclesiastical side isn't it??
The Ecclesiastical vs. Classical debate is just in the pronunciation of Latin, and is really quite minor. The vocab is the same.
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Also, have you seen the sample schedules on the TOG site?
Lingua Latina & Visual Latin
in Logic Stage & Middle Grade Challenges
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We have been combining Visual Latin with First Form for my dd's 4th grade year this year. She has been doing Latin work since first grade. We got to about lesson 23 in Visual Latin when the guys at VL came out with the aforementioned schedule. I already had the Lingua Latina materials from my self-study: the Familia Romana text, the Exercitia, the Teacher's Materials, the College Companion, and the Mac CD with all the audio, text, and exercises/pensa on it. For dd, I just had her try out everything on the CD, and she loved it.
My plan is to continue using the Form series, and supplement with the others. I had dd back up to about lesson 16 in VL and she is currently redoing some lessons that she doesn't feel she has mastered. We will then follow the schedule and will be alternating weeks using VL one week and following up the next week with LL. After we complete First Form, we will focus on the VL/LL combo over the summer until we resume our full school schedule in the fall with Second Form. That's the grand plan, anyway. :lol: