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Math only. Everything else would be through hands on learning. :)
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But the poster didn't say it was a power struggle that involved nagging. She simply said her son would be given a choice. Not so different than you.:iagree: It's the same here.
A pp mentioned that if her child doesn't do school work he loses privileges. If you choose to, you can look at this differently. Similar result, different perspective.....In our home, school gets finished before you are able to move on to: computer/video games/beating your brother with nerf swords) . No nagging, no scolding, no coercion. DS: "Mom, can I watch a movie with Jake? Me:"I don't know. Let me see your checklist. Hmmmm, doesn't look like you did math yet. Go finish up and then you can watch." I don't 'take away' anything. I just set the expectation that you can't move on to leisure time pursuits until you've accomplished the task at hand.
Or, Me: "Hey guys, you need to leave for (fill in the blank) in an hour. Make sure you have everything finished so you can head out the door when I'm ready to leave." Sometimes a child stays behind missing an event. Other times I might hear a petition to finish later because s/he ran into a legitimate snag. Either way, no punishment just the expectation that you get your school work done before you move on to leisure time. By the same token, I have been know to call out a fare-well as I head out the door and have had dawdling kiddos run outside barefoot as I back down the driveway. (I like a punctual child! Tardiness is a major pet peeve.) I'm never arbitrary and I almost always give a warning but my youngest are 13 and 16 so I believe they are capable of being ready on time. No nagging, no recrimination - when it's time to go, I go and if you're ready you come along.
A different example - DD is 16. Kids can get a learner's permit at 14. She had no desire to do so at that age. We hoped she would eventually change her mind, but, she hasn't. It didn't matter too much because she would have still needed to wait until she was 16 to get her license. However, now that she is 16, I am ready for her to assume some of her own transportation needs. A recent conversation went like this: "I would like you to prepare for your permit test so you can have you license by the end of summer so you can drive yourself to classes next year." (She wants to take some college classes) A few weeks later she still hadn't studied the book. "Hey, kiddo, we are going to the DMV in two weeks so you can take your test. If you pass, I'll pay the permit fee. If you don't pass, we'll come back again in another two weeks, but then it will be on your dime. " I've seen her with the book on several occasions lately. The choice is hers. Get it done and I pay or choose to procrastinate and it comes out of your pocket. Ultimately, if she doesn't have her license by fall, she'll forfeit the class she wants to take. Either way, I don't see this as a punishment.
I have nothing to add on the hitting a sibling with a stick (although I can discuss, in length, the proper technique to whack your brother with a nefr sword- but that is always consensual) because my kids really get along well. In fact, just recently I said to the youngest two that I've never, ever seen them fight, in fact, I've never seen them be angry with one another, and I wondered if they ever did. They looked at each other, thought a minute, shrugged and both said, "No, I don't think so."
So, I wonder if those of us who say we 'don't punish' just chose to look at the structure of our life in a different way. The result is the same but it comes from a different perspective.
I found Sadie's comment to be personal to the posters of this thread too, and not a generalized statement - but specific to those here.
Respect and honor is a two-way street. If my child has a fit, he is not respecting me with his behavior or words at all. Therefore, telling him to go to his room until he can treat me the way I treat him is indeed a consequence. His privilege to freely roam the house was temporarily revoked. It is not unkind to respond in a way that says, "You cannot treat me this way".
If your kids never misbehave, you can't really say what works because the truth is you don't know how you might respond with a strong willed child. My middle child is not like my others. Temperments differ among people.
Susan
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Well. We have lots of friends who like to spend time with us, so I guess we're fun enough :)
It's the norm in my experience that I don't need to punish children to have mostly reasonable behaviors from them. I worked as a nanny for a long time, as well as a tutor, and so while my experience is limited it isn't limited to just my own three.
It's my experience that if you treat children with respect you mostly get it back.
YMMV.
Agreed. My comments really aren't about your family, so don't take offense please. I'm really directing my statement to people that are in my real life that don't give imposed consequences. Their kids are always doing what they please & the moms just seem to think that if they fall, have other kids get upset with them, get in trouble by the facility manager, etc. that their kids will learn through natural consequences. It makes for miserable company.
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Lol, Susan Kenny. The teens are pretty good kids. A students, volunteers, helpful around the house. Ds is a sweetie. You're surely not suggesting I'm fibbing about my own kids ? :)
No. You know your kids. I don't :)
But certainly a child growing up with no consequences (outside of natural) and being a "joy" is not the norm. Do you agree?
And without meaning this as a direct statement to you at all, often parents that withhold consequences are less than fun to hang around with, or maybe I am just jaded by my own homeschool group, lol. Perhaps they are not the norm. I hope so!
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This just made me chuckle.
Made me laugh too.
Either her kids are amazing... or the ones that run all over without consequences, lol.
Hopefully the first. I often see the latter.
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Under 4 hours (but really, right on the cusp).
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I would let your 9 year old do her own narrations. If she balks at it, have her write them on the computer. It should only be a few sentences, no longer than a paragraph. If she isn't able to, I would help her with summarizing out loud, then have her type it.
Or if you don't want to continue with it, drop it.
If you decide to add creative writing, we are really enjoying time4writing elementary paragraphs. My son's teacher is very helpful!
As far as writing goes here, stick with what gets done and doesn't make people cry! :)
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What kind of "socialization" do you think those kids are getting?
That clip hardly represents religious homeschoolers as a whole. Do you really think most Christians dress their kids in camouflage and call them Jesus soldiers? Have you watched the film? It doesn't even get good reviews from Christians. So to say it is highly relevant to what Bill Nye said to a secular homeschooler on his FB page... about a science curriculum no fundamentalist would even touch --- seems like a s t r e t c h
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Mom growing up. They call me mom or mommy.
Dad growing up. They call my dh dad or daddy.
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This stereotype wasn't created by the documentary.
:)
I think you are assuming Bill Nye based his comment on something that was influenced by religious homeschoolers, when I see his comment as simply coming from a stance against home education as a poor option all around, regardless of religion.
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The problem with telling others how to live, is those same people are often wearing a telephone pole in their own eye, while looking at the speck in their neighbor's. It amazes me that gluttony, gossip, judgment, etc don't seem to convict them -- but make sure you take a stand against magic and zombies.
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I think Christianity cannot be separated from the stereotype of homeschooling. There exists a stereotype of the unsocialized child because children like the ones in the documentary are carefully sequestered in order to socialize only with certain people - those who uphold and defend a particular religious belief. This religious belief specifically ignores information and neglects scientific education. Bill Nye addresses scientific neglect, and in doing so becomes familiar with the community of people who stand out (proudly!) for religious reasons. It should come as no surprise to see people link the two, and it should serve as a wake-up call to non religious homeschoolers if anything. We're getting lost in a sea of imagery that is not representative of us, our values, or our accomplishments. It's not Bill Nye's fault that he can't hear the whisper of dissent among the shouting of the majority.
Yes. But you are assuming that documentary would be 1) seen by most people and 2) accepted as typical.
I've never seen it. Heard of it.
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I think you are making assumptions. Bill Nye never insinuated anything in regard to the conclusions you're drawing.I suspect (hope) his ignorance about home education will be addressed soon. Perhaps this is his introduction to the idea that home educators are not all religious, and we do have a very real and serious need to find legitimate scientific educational sources for our children who are not educated in conventional ways. It is a real problem. It's too bad he didn't have a solution. I hope this makes a difference. If notable education advocates can put a spotlight on some scientific curricula for home education, how cool would that be?
He clearly did imply that homeschooling cannot meet social needs of children and it's a disservice to them. The poster asking the question was secular. Almost all of the posts following are secular. He isn't misunderstanding the question, simply outright disagreeing that homeschooling is a good option. He has had an enormous response from secular homeschoolers supporting him, so he isn't oblivious here.
As for secular science options. There are good choices for homeschoolers. It's not as though they are non existent. Not to mention the many curricula schools use that are easily adaptable.
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Well that was a jacka$$ reply - even if I do like the guy otherwise.
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Adam is mentioned like 30 times in the bible. I definitely think he was considered real and not symbolism.
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I do not think non-Jewish people should label themselves Messianic Jews. I don't even understand that. However, I can see a Jewish person wanting to set themselves apart if they believed Christ was the Messiah. Although they are Christian, their practices would be unique. Just as Protestant and Eastern Orthodox differ, I can see a Messianic Jew wanting a distinct way to worship that was authentic to how they interpreted the Bible.
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Does she have an i-home?
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Sounds like you have two babies on your hands. :grouphug:
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Being home tries my patience at times. My kids can be hard to deal with. I have honestly had the dumbest conversations of my life as a "mom" & often stand baffled at times that I've had to tell someone not to hold the dog nude.
But being a SAHM is not a hard life for me. It has things that come up & I figure them out (often accompanied by a good laugh or cry). Just like most people.
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Being an excellent SAHM is hard work.
Not everyone who is a SAHM chooses to be excellent.
What does that even mean??
If one doesn't find motherhood extremely difficult they must be a bad mom??
I don't think so!
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We can barely afford gas costs now. It would be financially crippling here.
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Oh. That's a tough one. :grouphug:
Personally, I would let it go. If you absolutely need the money though, have your husband talk to his mom about it.
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We do Santa.
FWIW, I've met people whose parents did NOT do Santa and felt cheated from that childhood experience, so I guess some parents can just never win. I think if it is a huge hurt in your life, there was probably more going on in the family dynamics than just whether or not your parents told you Santa was a real person or not.
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I am status free because I think Facebook is dumb.
Tweeting. Pinning. Blogging.
Nope.
I have some immunization questions (especially for older children)-all perspectives welcome!
in The Chat Board
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Agreed.
Love this interview with Dr. Sears:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/vaccines/interviews/sears.html