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If he understands what a noun and a verb are, and if he can identify the subject and verb in a sentence containing only a noun and a verb, he knows enough to begin LL. Some things that might be a little harder are singular and plural and understanding the concept of verb conjugations.
You would be working on nouns and verbs in isolation if you were to go slowly through LL as written and only do the first half of the book. Nothing else is introduced.
I personally think that the Latin part of LL is easier than the history part. We don't do the history because it's not written in an engaging way for young children (or me, for that matter!).
Thanks!
I am very concerned about the concepts of singular and plural and the concept of verb conjugations. This is the part I think is meant for 3rd grade. Would I leave that part out? Is that even possible?
I'm not thrilled about the prospect of trying to modify a curriculum, BUT it might be easier to do this and CONTINUE the same program the next year rather than starting something like Elementary Latin in 2nd and switching to Lively Latin in 3rd.
I'm trying to weigh these two options.
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It would be very easy to use the history on its own. You could also memorize vocabulary in isolation. For the first half of the book (that's all we've done) all you learn about is nouns and verbs so a kid who only knows about that should be well prepared.
Thank you Kai! Would you be just a little more specific? Would we just go ahead with the curriculum as written learning vocab AND nouns and verbs? Or, is there a way to "pull out" certain parts of the curriculum that a 2nd grader could handle?
I understand using the history and vocab in isolation could be done. It's the grammar part I'm not understanding.
My choice (as I see it) is to modify a curriculum meant for 3rd grade (I like LL) or to do Elementary Latin (according to the author, this IS a full Latin curriculum appropriate for 2nd grade.)
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Since I've been in this "Latin in 2nd grade merry-go-round", I've just got to ask....
IF I were going to try LL for 2nd grade, I would want to pull out things like vocabulary and maybe history to do in 2nd grade. (We are going to study ancients next year with Biblioplan, and LL might be a nice supplement).
Can anyone tell me how easy it would be to modify LL to make it suitable for a 2nd grader? My intension would be to continue it in 3rd grade and use it as it is written.
We have completed Song School Latin in 1st, and we have finished SWB's FLL gd.1. My ds knows what a noun and verb are... that's all. I'm trying to avoid any objectives that would be meant for 3rd grade and only expose him to age/grade appropriate material that would prep him for the work we would do in 3rd. Does that make sense?
How easy (or hard) would it be to do this? Would you recommend this or not?
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Anyone?
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Thanks for the ideas. I'm looking up Comprehensive Composition now. BTW, to post a previous thread, just go to the 1st page of the thread- then go up to the internet address- copy and then paste.
I just remembered....
If you will go to googlebooks, you can preview several pages of Comprehensive Composition.
I also found it at CBD, but googlebooks gave the MOST sample pages.
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I've been trying to find Latin for 2nd grade for a while now, and so many of you have shared your opinions and experiences.
I found Elementary Latin by Nancy Sattler this past weekend. It isn't discussed on this board much at all..... but I wanted to check to see if anyone could share anything about it.
I would like to know if it is appropriate for 2nd grade and if a 2nd grader would enjoy it..... the *fun* aspect. I'd like to know if it teaches any grammar and what would be a good follow-up to it in 3rd grade. I'm considering supplementing with Getting Started with Latin by Bill Linney.
Can anyone help? Thanks!:001_smile:
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Thanks, everyone!!! I feel better about 2nd grade being a more relaxed year. I still might ask about Elementary Latin in a different post. It may truly be a curriculum we could use in 2nd. Otherwise, I'll most likely stick with English from the Roots Up and Getting Started with Latin.
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I have been researching the same thing! The best resource I've found is called Comprehensive Composition by Katherine Stout. I also have a fantastic book by Create Press. They have a book called Writing Adventures Vol. 2 which breaks each kind of essay down into paragragh and essay outline forms (you can teach early elementary through upper elementary/maybe jr. high). This is a wonderful resource.
I don't know how to link to the post where I requested writing help, but these are the suggestions others gave to me:
- The Lively Art of Writing
- writing instruction by Susan Wise Bauer: look on Peace Hill Press' web page for MP3s and CDs of her teaching called "A Plan to Teaching Writing" There are three divisions: elementary, (grammar), middle (logic) and high school (rhetoric).
- Write Source
- TOG's Writing Aids
- IEW apparently teaches:
Unit 3: narrative
Unit 4/6: expository
Unit 7/8: persuasive, compare/contrast, letter, cause/effect, literary
analysis‹most of the essay types including term paper
Unit 9: critique (book report)
- Write Shop vols. 1-2 and
- Jump In! by Apologia. Both of these mention how to write different kinds of paragraphs/essays.
HTH
- The Lively Art of Writing
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Amber, thanks for your reply. The last thing I want is to push so hard that my ds gives up. That would be such an unfortunate mistake.
I don't think Getting Started with Latin is a bad idea for 2nd. I have heard of people using it younger than that. I think you can slow it up if you need to which is helpful for that age.I do know a friend doing Lively Latin with her 2nd grader and it is tough going. She is modifying lots of the lessons and thinks it will take 2 years to get through at their current pace. He isn't enjoying it either.
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I have no idea if either has good audio. I can tell you just from what I've seen on-line that both of them have audio. GSwL's audio can be found on the GSwL web page. Nancy Sattler has a CD that can be purchased to go along with Elem. Latin.
I have not heard either one.
Do either Elementary Latin or GSWL have good audio? One thing my DD has LOVED about SSL is the audio CD-I know eventually she'll have to move to a more formal, grammatical approach, but I'd like to transfer to that gently. -
I don't know if this is the right answer or not, but I think I'm going to keep it simple for 2nd grade. I own volumes 1 and 2 of English from the Roots Up. I could use that with Getting Started with Latin and take it slowly.
Lively Latin, Latin for Children, Minimus and others, no doubt, are for 3rd grade and above. When we get to 3rd, I think I'd like for us to do Lively Latin and follow up with Latin Prep..... just based on the posts I've been reading.
I know I could pick a Latin curriculua and use its vocabulary for 2nd with the idea of starting the rest of it in 3rd. I can't deny that this sounds like a good idea. At the same time, it seems like I would be trying to use the curriculua in a way it isn't written to be used...... I don't want to have to figure out how to manipulate lessons. I could be all wrong about this. Comments????:bigear:
Can anyone tell me if EftRU with GSwL is a terrible idea for 2nd grade? The only other curriculua I would consider at this point is Elementary Latin unless you all have a better idea.
It may not be *fun*, but I think the simplicity would be enough to keep him interested without pushing too hard.
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Ok...
Save Minimus and Lively Latin for 3rd grade since Minimus is better enjoyed with a little Latin knowledge first.
For me, that now leaves Elementary Latin and Getting Started with Latin.
What do you all think about these? My son liked the look of EL and turned his nose up at Minimus!!! :lol:
Elem Latin would give us vocab practice and some translating it looks like. GSwL would give us a logical progression and introduce conjugating/declensions, I think. I have NO Latin experience except Song School Latin. I hardly know what I'm talking about!:tongue_smilie:
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Marsha,
I'm also looking for comments about Elem. Latin. I will have a 2nd grader next year, and I'm thinking about using a combination of Minimus, Getting Started with Latin, and Elem. Latin. From looking at the book, does it teach any grammar? Does it look like fun for a 2nd grader? What do you like about it?
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Have you looked at Getting Started with Latin? (There is also GSwSpanish). You can do a search on Google for these and see samples on William Linney's web site. You can also read reviews for these on Amazon. I've read many times where these books were used with young children. I'm considering using the Latin with my youngest and the Spanish with my older kids who are using Rosetta Stone Latin Spanish. Linney's books might be the bridge you and I need.
I'm with you..... trying to find a 2nd grade Latin has been difficult. I'm hoping others will be able to offer suggestions. I think a combination of Minimus, GSwL, and Elementary Latin might work.
Anyone????
How redundant are beginning Latin programs? I'm noticing that Elementary Latin is listing a lot of the same topics as Lively Latin as Latin for Children A, with the difference being the age of the kids for which the program is intended.I'm also searching for the next step. because my DD will likely finish SSL before she turns 6, and doesn't have the writing stamina for most programs for 3rd grade and up. But at the same time, I don't want her to go through the same basics again and again until she's old enough for "real" Latin. And at her age, I don't think she's ready for super-heavy Grammar study, either.
I've seriously considered doing Song School Greek after SSL for that reason, because she loves SSL so much-but then we'd be juggling 3 languages!
What I want to avoid is what I've seen with Spanish, where she has enough skills right now that most of the first level of almost any program is redundant, but isn't quite ready for what would be asked of her in the next level, either. If there's something like Elementary Spanish for Latin (where it's easy to say "Ok, you know this topic well, let's skip those lessons), I haven't found it yet!
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Thanks ladies!
Heather, I'm drawn to Lively Latin. I found it last year, and have wanted to use it ever since. Many people use it for 2nd grade at a slow pace. It's just that we did not covered a lot of grammar in 1st grade: FLL 1, WWE, Sing,Spell,Read, and Write. As much as I'd love to dive into LL, it really looks like too much for us, and if I throw too much at my ds, he might push back and give up. That's why Minimus looks appealing to me.
Of course, there isn't a perfect curriculum. With Minimus, (whole to parts) I am concerned that we don't know enough grammar to be able to enjoy this to its fullest. I read many comments to this effect over the weekend. Yet, it would definitely cover the *fun* aspect of Latin that I'm looking for.
Mamapjama, I'll look at PL again. My concern there is that it's not classical pronunciation, and many have voiced that it's boring. I'm not sure it gets us where we want to go. How do you make PL fun?
Can anyone tell me about Elementary Latin? I found this over the weekend. Also, Getting Started with Latin looks promising.
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I have been researching Latin for 2nd graders, and I've come up with several that look like they might work. I would be so grateful if any of you would look this over and give recommendations:
Choice 1: Minimus* with Getting Started with Latin
Choice 2: Elementary Latin with Getting Started with Latin
Chioce 3: Elementary Latin with Minimus*
*Thinking about not using the TM. I would use it with the CD (I think) as a "just for fun" part of our Latin.
I just found Elementary Latin over the weekend. It isn't spoken of much on TWTM Board, but it looks good to me at first glance. Can anyone tell me about EL in particular????
I'm hoping to find a *fun* Latin program for my 2nd grader (finished Song School Latin in 1st) using Classical pronunciation. I don't think it matters to me whether it's Christian or secular. Also, I want to prepare for a curriculum that stresses grammar.
I think I'm heading towards Lively Latin for 3rd grade for the fun aspect plus I've read it teaches grammar well. It's also a "do-the-next-page" curriculum and easy on the teacher. I'm not trying to overwhelm my child, yet I definitely want to use 2nd grade to prep him for 3rd grade Latin. I don't want to wast our time in 2nd grade with just cutsy stuff, yet it needs to be enjoyable.
This has been tough! Most Latin curriculum is written for 3rd and up, so for 2nd, I think we will shoot for exposure to vocabulary and whatever grammar we can get.
Please share ideas and experience:001_huh::confused::bigear:
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I'm just curious....
I will have a 2nd grader next year, and he completed Song School Latin as a 1st grader along with FLL 1, Sing,Spell,Read, and Write, and WWE vol. 1.
He's only beginning to learn parts of speech, and he understands nouns and verbs. That's as much as we covered in 1st grade.
I am definitely looking for something *fun* because otherwise, he'll give up on Latin. I'm just a little concerned that Minimus is cute but not worth the price.... also it's whole to parts.
I'm concerned about LL because I think it may be too advanced, but at least it would be a *real* Latin curriculum that is fun.
Can anyone help me? What would you recommend?
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....blissful innocence!!!:001_smile: Thanks for the heads-up!
I have not tried any of the other problems you listed. I have tried Apples and Pears though, and I love it!!!! I cannot put enough exclamation marks there!!!We do one level per day, and it runs between 15 and 25 minutes depending on how closely we are paying attention. :glare:
There is absolutely *no* prep needed from me, we open and go. I don't really understand how it works, as I thought good spelling was all about rules rules rules. Here, the rules weave through the books are immediately reinforced with such good applications that the rules seem obvious and effortless. My dd makes the same sort of errors as your child, and we have seen amazing and permanent improvement (what I mean by that is that the good spelling spills over into other assignments and is not just produced for the spelling lesson.) All in all, it is one of the best products we have ever used. We started 1/2 way through A (lower than where we tested but I wanted to keep everyone together). Now we are well through B. I intend to use the whole program as it is easy and *gets done*.
Wow! I didn't mean to rave so. :) I just love this program!
Note: Some people don't like some of the British sentences. We think they are hilarious! The only one I have had to change is one about wearing rub*ers (boots)... my children have a tendency to repeat the sentences all day in a weird British accent... I really did not want the clerk at the grocery store hearing about their rub*ers!
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He placed border-line at books A-B. I decided to go with Book B.
I've never read anything about A&P being similar to Megawords. I've read tons about having to choose among A&P, Megawords, and How to Teach Spelling.
I chose A&P because this child makes mistakes like:
growl=grall; queen=quean; were=wore; quickly=quiqly; serve=searve; speaker=speeker; and coated=coted.
These were mistakes made during the testing to determine A&P level.
Given these examples, can anyone tell me which would help him most? A&P, Megawords, or something else.....:bigear::bigear::bigear:
Thanks!
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I'm ready to order A&P Spelling, but I'm not sure if I should order 1 book or 2. This if for a 10-year old going into the 6th grade. He just needs remedial spelling help and has no learning issues. I'm going to start him in the "B" book. How long does it take to go through a book? I have about 30 minutes scheduled for spelling in our schedule.
Should I order just "B" or "B" and "C"?
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Thanks for the responses, everyone!
So far, VIE is mostly uses in the younger grades. It seems it might not be as strong or comparable (at least) with other curricula in the upper elementary/jr. high grades.
Anyone else?
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I haven't used either but I know that the later editions are secular not Catholic anymore. Sorry, that is all I know.
Thank you, Jenni!!!!:001_smile:
This just isn't a popular curriculum. I would love to know why. Everything else we are doing is colorful. I might just impose this one thing (CLE LA) on him which is good but not colorful because it's a great fit in all other respects. I'm a little apprehensive to try something that gets little to no attention/reviews.
Anyone else???:confused:
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it is not as popular as R&S, CLE, or anything else I've read about on this board.
Can anyone help? There must be a reason it is not used as much.
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I was all set to buy CLE for my son (going into 6th grade next year.) I showed him an example of a Light Unit this morning and explained how we would use it. He didn't just hate it, but he responded with, "I would like more color."
I showed him Voyages in English which I looked at during research for a LA curriculum. He loves history, and VIE 6th grade has lots of historical pictures and content that he loved! Now I need to find out more about VIE to see if it's something we want to consider.
Please offer ANY help.
Pros?
Cons?
I'm more interested in the grammar, but would certainly welcome comments about the writing.
Is it on grade-level? He's going into 6th grade. Is there a placement test?
How does it compare in rigor with R&S or CLE?
I don't think it includes diagramming....? What would you use to add in diagramming?
We are not catholic. Does it avoid catholic doctrine?
Schedule? Mon-Friday? How long for each lesson?
How independent is it? (This was a big pro with CLE.)
What are the tests like?
I've read that it is expensive. Where could I purchase it for a reasonable cost?
I would be most grateful to learn from your experience. I feel like I've taken two steps back and am researching again when I thought I had come to a conclusion. We'll keep CLE as a second choice. If not VIE, can you ladies recommend a reputable LA that has color? My kids don't really like Abeka, so it's out.
Thanks so much!!!!!
Lively Latin
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Wow ladies! Thanks!!!
I wish I knew the difference between LL and EL. I'll try to look at the TOC after lunch. That might give me a clue.
I am so thankful for your help! You've heard of measure twice and cut once..... I just want to make the best decision and am trying to ask the right questions before I make a choice.
Thank you all all very, very much!
Maybe this thread will help others needing to make the same kinds of decisions.
Anyone else?:bigear: