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  1. Well....

     

    Now I need for someone familiar with CPO physical science to share information. Does CPO physical science stand alone, or can/should I supplement. I ask only because there are more physics chapters than chemistry chapters.

     

    I still have a lot of reading to do about CPO and Ellen McHenry, but I want to find out if they could be used together.

     

    For 8th grade I am wondering:

     

    1st semester: CPO middle school physics portion done as primary science. The younger kids would do The Elements. The 8th grader would do this on the side.......VERY secondary to CPO.

     

    2nd semester: CPO middle school chemistry portion with Carbon Chemistry. OR..... RS4Kids Chemistry Level 2 with Carbon Chemistry (since you're supposed to come up with your own experiments.)

     

    Does CPO physical science stand alone? Is there enough chemistry to be a prep for high school?

  2. The biology and earth science is designed to be done in the 2nd year of the program. If you follow it as written, you only cover physics and chemistry the 1st year. My dd did Year 1 last year. I thought it was a good middle school course for those subjects. You have 2 lessons per week, 1 lab per week, and a test every other week.

     

    What about Dive Science Integrated Chemistry and Physics? You can choose from a variety of science textbooks to use as the reading supplement to the lectures. I haven't used it yet, but I'm strongly considering it for next year.

     

     

    DIVE is highly used.... I've just had a feeling that it's more than I want for next year. I might be wrong.

     

    Because we might do TPS English I and we will do Algebra I, I really want science to take a "back seat". English and math will occupy MOST of our time.

     

    Am I wrong about DIVE?

  3. Here is a thorough review (at Rainbow Resource) to the Chemistry book I am currently using with my daughter: The Elements: Ingredients to the Universe

     

    So many people LOVE Ellen McHenry's Elements and Carbon Chemistry. I'd like to know how long each one takes to do. I think I read that you have to start with Elements.... is this right?

     

    I know these are written for a younger age, but Carbon Chemistry is for up to grade 9! Would it be possible to maybe do CPO stressing physics and fold in McHenry's The Elements and Carbon Chemistry just to reinforce chemistry? Would this be *fun*? What about religious content? I read earlier today that it talks about Intelligent Design. As a Christian, would this majorly offend you? Would it keep you from using these?

     

    I would LOVE for science to be fun at the same time as prepping us for high school.

     

    Maybe CPO stands alone. I could still do McHenry's with my younger boys who will be in 3rd and 6th grades. The 8th grader could do her own thing and listen in to the boys' science.

  4. Science Explorer would be worth checking.

    It's a collection of middle school topics in fairly small books. You could focus pretty hard on it and do physics and chemistry books in parallel. They are independent of each other.

     

    I do like RS4K Chemistry Level II very much, but don't know of any comparable program for physics.

     

     

    Carol, how can I view Science Explorer? It looks like there is an interactive feature....

     

    It's hard to see text books on-line sometimes. I'd like to see more of this.

     

    Thanks SO much for your help!

  5. I guess I would go with the CPO book. We're using it now and there is plenty of chemistry in it. We haven't had too much trouble adapting the labs either.

     

     

    Pam, could you describe how you use CPO? Are you using the middle school text? I've always liked CPO.

     

    What are you using instead of the expensive CPO lab supplies? Do you feel like CPO is preparing your child for high school science? What is the math like?

     

    I would love to know what your schedule is.... how long you spend each day and how many days per week you do science.

     

    This would be so helpful. Thank you so much for responding!

  6. I used Physical Science Explorations for physics when my son was in 7th grade. Then I used Conceptual Chemistry for chemistry when he was in 8th grade.

     

    As for experiements, we used CK-101 from LabPaq for chemistry and if I had to do it over again I would use LabPaq for physics as well. The Home Science Tools kits were anything but secular, so I ended up retyping all of the instructions to remove the religious parts.

     

     

    Kai, how could I do BOTH of these in the same year? I'm SO sorry for asking this many questions. Maybe I misunderstood something.

  7. From Kai:

     

    As for experiments, we didn't use the experiment book that goes with the text. I pieced together various kits from Home Science Tools for the physics part. We used Conceptual Chemistry for chemistry and used a LabPaq kit for that (I highly recommend the LabPaq kits).

     

    Our book came with a disk that had videos and tutorials (interactive activities) on it and it is probably the same thing as what you'll get at The Physics Place. The videos are short segments (usually really short) of Paul Hewitt talking about physics.

     

     

     

     

    From Sweet Home Alabama:

     

    Kai, just need clarification.

     

    Did you use the Explorations book for BOTH physics (with Home Science Tools kits and chemistry (with LabPaq)? Or.... Explorations for physics and Conceptual Chemistry for chemistry? IOW, did you use one curriculua for both subjects or did you use two?

     

    I think the Hewitt videoes will be good for us since they are short. We're watching Mrs. Vick on BJU Life Science, and each day we spend at least 30-45 minutes (depending on rewinding for note-taking) watching her. That is kind of long.

     

    I know about Home Science Tools, but I don't know anything about LabPaq. If you get a chance, could you tell me which experiments you used from these sources? I'm trying to piece together what you did just to get a better feel for what I could do.

     

    Thanks so much!!!

  8. Thanks, everyone!

     

    I have considered Rainbow..... yet it is more than I want... I don't need the biology. We're doing BJU Life Science this year.

     

    I've only briefly considered Singapore. Maybe I'm wrong, but since we've not used Singapore for math, I thought it might be more difficult to do. I can certainly look again!!:001_smile:

     

    I truly am so thankfu for all your responses!

  9. You could use Conceptual Physical Science-Explorations. It is a 9th grade physical science book and contains material on physics, chemistry, and earth science, but you could skip the earth science. The physics part is written by the Conceptual Physics guy, and the chemistry part is written by the Conceptual Chemistry guy.

     

    Kai,

    This looks like a good possibility. I read the first chapter on Pearson, and saw comments about Christians as extremists.... within the context of religious views on science. This seemed unnecessary and kind of unfortunate. I don't mind studying pure science.....and therefore secular science. I am a Christian, and I'm fine with the fact that God's creation points to Him. It's not necessary for a text book to point that out... Anyway, what about the rest of the text? Does he continue with comments like "extremists Christians"? Or, it is more pure science?

     

    Also, what kind of experiments are done?

     

    I see a plus in that there are on-line videoes of Hewitt explaining topics. There is also something called The Physics Place. I can't see anything online since you have to be a member, but I think I read that it is on-line help for physics....

     

    Can you fill in these blanks for me?

     

    Thanks so much for your help!

  10. 8th grade science is the hardest thing I've tried to decide on. It is what will launch us into high school science. This science year stands to help us tremendously in high school. It can lay a very pivatol foundation to help us understand chemistry and physics. I really am trying to narrow my options down and make a final decision...You all have been so helpful, and I hope it's ok to ask another question...

     

    If I wanted to do a semester of physics and a semester of chemistry for 8th grade, could you all tell me what to look at? We will be taking Alg. I at the same time.

     

    I know there is RS4Kids Chemistry Level 2 that lasts a semester, but I've read old threads that mentioned errors. Does anyone have updated information about this?

     

    There is Conceptual Physics/Conceptual Chemistry, but each lasts a year. I wouldn't think you would pick some topics and leave others out.

     

    I've read about GEMS and Ellen McHenry's Elements and Carbon Chemistry.... these either seem too expensive or not quite on grade level.

     

    BJU has a 9th grade physical science that is like what I'm looking for, but this is WAAAYYYYY harder than I want to do.

     

    The best fit might still be the CPO physical science I've been looking at... it has more physics than chemistry. What about CPO physics 1st semester and the balance of CPO with RS4Kids Chemistry Level 2 in 2nd semester?

     

    I love the CPO..... the downside is being able to adjust the experiments so that I use common products and avoid buying their super-expensive lab supplies.

     

    I'm not looking for rigor..... I really want something that explains and lays a foundation for high school chem and physics. My dd will have other subjects that will be rigorous for her. We need to "minor" on science next year. The Conceptual books seem to be what I'm looking for, but I want to teach both physics and chemistry.

     

    I really hope this thread will help others as well as myself. Can you all make any suggestions?

  11. Sweet home alabama,

    In the thread about "order of sciences", I noticed regentrude and others mentioned Conceptual physics for 8th grade. It seems that I recently read that Conceptual Chemistry had a similar format--more emphasis on understanding vs. solving difficult chemistry problems. I wonder if it might be better for 9th grade than Spectrum. Just thinking out loud. Any thoughts? I'll see if I can find the thread...maybe it was LoriD who was using it????

     

    Jennifer

     

    Jennifer,

    I have thought about this. There is a "physics first" sequence that seems to make a lot of sense. (physics, then chemistry, then biology.) The disadvantage (as far as I can tell) is that it doesn't require the math that is found in the more traditional sequence bio, chem, physics. Many who are doing physics first use "conceptual" texts because they are math "lite". According to what I have read, this could end up hurting a student in the end if he is planning to major in a science related field. (It is probably ok for a non-science oriented person.)

     

    My dd thinks she will do something in science.... with horses in particular. She hasn't chosen a field.... she's just 12.5 years old, but I want to be careful as far as planning her high school courses. I'm just not comfortable (at least right now) with a total conceptual plan.

     

    BUT... if I use conceptual physics in 8th, I'm wondering if that would be enough prep for a 9th grade chemistry. It doesn't have to be Spectrum, but I don't have anything in mind at the moment as a substitute. With this in mind, my high school classes will still be "mathy"- more traditional, yet I will still get to do the "physics-first" sequence without jeopardizing the authenticity of our science classes. (Does that make sense?)

     

    My problem is that I don't want to overwhelm her with courses that are above her developmental level. Our 7th grade BJU Life is plenty challenging at this point. The comment about Spectrum being so difficult concerns me, so I'll just keep asking questions and researching.

     

    Thank you for keeping me in touch, Jennifer. I definitely hope we can find classes that work for high school!

  12. Hello,

     

    I was going to suggest Hewitt's Conceptual Physics when I saw this post earlier today, but I got called away from the computer. I used CP last year with my 8th grader, and we really, really liked it. The explanations are very clear, and he includes many interesting bits using Physics to explain ordinary things like rainbows. I think that Regentrude is correct that he should be fine with the math in CP as long as he can solve simple, linear equations. There's not a lot of math in CP, but enough to get the student used to using math in a science course.

     

    I would highly recommend you get the high school edition of CP (there is a college one). The high school version has more photos and diagrams. We spent about 45 min/day on CP for 4 days/week. We read through part of a chapter together, discussed the material, and then did the study questions in the back of the chapter orally as a review. Each week, I chose 6 or 7 of the problems for him to work out.

     

    I also got the lab manual that goes with the course, and we were able to find about 25 labs we could do with relatively simple equipment. I think the lab manual had over 80 experiments, some required specialized lab equipment. Still, there was at least one basic experiment on each concept in there that we could do.

     

    HTH,

    Brenda

     

    Thank you, Brenda! I will take time to research Conceptual Physics. New tentative plan....

     

    8th: conceptual physics

    9th: Spectrum (still not sure if this will be too hard or not????)

    10th: Biology (BJU, Campbell, Miller/Levine, Apologia, Singapore????)

    11th: Physics or advanced chemistry

    12th: advanced geared toward career or college major

     

    Opinions on how this looks?

     

    I need to research exactly what books and what kind of schedule I would need to use with CP. I've seen this information here. I'm a little concerned that this is too much for 8th grade, but I'm excited to learn more about these classes.

  13. So true. My goal has always been to start where they are, challenge but not frustrate, keep all the required subjects and their particular interests in balance, help them get as far as they can get.

     

    I totally agree!!

     

    I'm trying to find the "perfect" curriculum..... something that will be on grade level (we do not need rigorous) that will launch my dd into high school science. She is science oriented, but is still getting used to studying and test taking.

     

    We're only in 7th grade this year, so I definitely want that "just-right" stepping stone science that will ease her into high school chemistry.

     

    OK... whoever knows what this "perfect" curriculum is, please speak up!:lol:

  14. Somebody posted a link here recently to a website with a complete syllabus and schedule for the Hewitt - unfortunately I did not bookmark it. I believe it was some time earlier this school year.

     

    edit: just googled:

    this

    http://w3.shorecrest.org/~Lisa_Peck/Physics/syllabus/syllabus08.htm

     

    might have been it. At least it looks pretty good.

     

    Regentrude, just to confirm..... is conceptual physics "easy" to do while doing Algebra I at the same time???

     

    Math does not come easily or quickly here, but it is getting done.

  15. LizaQ: I also thank you for your input about Spectrum because I, too, was under the impression that the math was less difficult than Zumdahl or BJU.

     

    Sweet home alabama: I think what I have got to do is sit down and review all texts myself. I guess I'll have to fork out the money to do that because I don't know anyone using anything other than Apologia. It seems to be the only science around here that anybody uses in both elem & high school. Like usual, I am the non-conforming homeschooler. :D

     

    I did wonder about using Rainbow (completing in one year) for 8th grade. I thought it would at least offer prep for physics & chem, while reviewing concepts from life science that we are covering now. I'd like to know what others think about that idea. The reason I like this approach is because of the hands-on work in Rainbow.

     

    Jennifer

     

    Jennifer, I might have an option that we haven't discussed yet..... I think!:lol::D

     

    I asked a question on another existing thread about the best physical science for 8th grade. The bottom line that was suggested is to do conceptual physics in 8th grade. I do NOT know if this works or not. I don't know if the math/science combo is doable or not. I hope someone will confirm if this is a good idea or not. Try this:

     

    Math: Lial's Algebra I (We're using BCM this year)

    Science: Hewitt's Conceptual Physics (I do not know which one. ?????)

     

    9th grade:

    Math: Alg. II or geometry (don't know which is better first)

    Science: Spectrum (maybe it wouldn't be as bad after physics)

     

    10th grade:

    Math: Geometry (or Alg. II)

    Science: Biology (still working on which one)

     

    11th grade:

    Math: Trig??? (I never went past Alg II and geometry!!!)

    Science: Either physics or advanced chem. (I say this because I've read where chemistry is a weed out class in college. More in high school might help.

     

    12th grade:

    Math: Pre-cal or maybe a practical math

    Science: Advanced science based on student's career choice

     

     

     

    T

  16. A few thoughts...my 12yo is also using BJU Life Science. It is our first year of being *serious* with science and I think it is a great book! We are not using the dvds so it is not that time consuming and we do the tests open book as well. I think it is preparing her well for High School. Then again -I've used both Apologia and Rainbow at this grade level and they were also very good!

     

    I have also used Spectrum Chemistry and BJU Biology. I would hesitate to use Spectrum Chem in the 9th grade unless your child is seriously strong in math. My oldest took it concurrently with Algebra 2 and found it a killer, even with Bridge Math over the summer!

     

    BJU Biology is very thorough but we really liked it. Perhaps it is because we used the DIVE CD with it - my daughter read the entire text but the DIVE seemed so much more manageable than the BJU TM! I don't know if the tests were easier - it is possible but I have never compared them.

     

    I would suggest that you make a list of all the sciences you want her to cover in High School. Chem, Bio and Physics only take up three years and if you don't want her to repeat Earth/Space, you have room for advanced/AP classes or something that she would find particularly interesting - Environmental Science or Electronics or something. If she is not "science-y", three years is enough for most, if not all, LA type colleges.

     

    All this to say, I would think that 8th - Physical, 9th - Bio (or Chem is you have a good reason), 10th - Chem (or bio), 11th - Physics, 12th - AP/choice/none would work well.

     

    OH - about the element of "fun". Rainbow was a lot of fun but Spectrum was pretty much hard work. BJU was interesting but I can't say it was fun! The labs for both were good and even fun but the texts...I haven't found one yet! Apologia speaks more to the student...maybe she would like that approach?

     

    Well, hope something here helps.

     

    ETA: Another thought on Chemistry. My 17yo is doing Chem this year (we saved it for Senior Year so she could do the labs at a local Christian school, among other reasons) and she is using the Teaching Co. High School Chem dvds along with the BJU text for reference. She is finding it very interesting. The lectures are a little "less" than BJU would be - maybe 2x per week? - and she spends the rest of the week "researching" the BJU text and completing the lab assignments. It is sort of free-wheeling and I would not have tried this when she was younger and needed more direction. But it has been kind of fun for her!

     

     

    Liza,

    This is awesome information! Your review about Spectrum chemistry is different from other reviews. I just don't know what to think about it. If we did not use Spectrum for chemistry, what chemistry would be appropriate in 9th? Rainbow is written for middle school, or so I understand.

     

    You know, I've read a lot and asked a lot of questions.... I'm sure I'll need to ask more!:tongue_smilie: But..... it is becoming obvious that the best I'll be able to do for now is to have several classes lined up for high school biology, chemistry, and physics so that when the time comes to actually pick one, I can make the best choice based on what my dd's needs are at that particular time.

     

    So far...

    Biology: BJU, Campbell's, Miller/Levine, Singapore, Apologia

    Chemistry: BJU, Spectrum, Zumdahl

    Physics: ???

     

    My dd LOVES horses. I would like to find a way for her to study science and incorporate something with horses in it. I haven't begun to research that yet.

     

    I'm a little discouraged only in that I want Spectrum to work, and I'm concerned now that it may be too hard. Math doesn't come easily for us, but it is getting done. Maybe BJU Biology with DIVE would work. Yet, I've looked at DIVE, and I think my dd would think they look "boring"..... We use BJU DVDs now with Life Science, and she's not thrilled about them. See, I just don't know what to think.

     

    Also, I don't know where to see samples of Miller/Levine and Campbells. I'm assuming we would use the Explorations book. I'm just now researching these.

     

    This is not easy.

     

    Thank you so much for your help!

  17. I consider "physical science" unnecessary and see no reason not do to actual physics in 8th grade if you are interested in a "strong" education. If you 8th grader does not have algebra, then a Conceptual Physics course like Hewitt would work. If he has algebra, I would choose an algebra based high school physics text.

    What is considered average high school physics in the US is deemed perfectly appropriate for middle school elsewhere in the World.

     

     

    I've wondered about this. We would be doing Algebra I in 8th grade. See if this looks doable:

     

    For 8th grade:

     

    Math: Lial's Alg. I

    Science: Physics: Hewitt

    LA: English I at TPS (not decided about this)

    History: Medieval

    Lit: LLotLotR done orally (which supplements our history)

    Foreign Lang: Rosetta Stone Spanish year 3 of 3

     

    I don't know much about Hewitt. How difficult is it? How much time will it take? What would a weekly schedule look like? I would follow it in 9th grade with Chemistry- maybe Spectrum.

     

    For 9th grade:

    Math: Alg. II or geometry???

    Science: Spectrum???

    LA:

    Hist: These three would be covered by MFW Ancients

    Bible:

    For. Lang: Breaking the Spanish Barrier (not decided on this)

     

    I'm not sure what sequence to use in math to correlate with science. Any ideas would be appreciated.

     

    Thanks, everyone!

  18. I've just finished reading this thread, and I would like to know what you all use as a strong physical science.

     

    I'm thinking about:

     

    8th: physical science (chemistry/physics)

    9th: chemistry (Spectrum???)

    10th: biology (BJU??? We're currently using BJU 7th Life Science)

    11th: advanced chemistry (Zumbahl?????)

    12th: physics or career-related advanced science

     

    (Considering 2 chemistry classes based on comments that chemistry is a weed-out class in college. If my child continues a science path, it seemed to make sense to prep her for the class that would most likely try to weed her out.) Certainly open to comments. I feel like I'm making this up as I go along! :blush:

     

    I want to do physical science next year- chemistry/physics only. The best I've seen appropriate for 8th grade is CPO middle school physical science. They also have Foundations of Physical Science, but I think that is geared to high school.

     

    What do you all consider to be a "strong" physical science for 8th grade?

  19. Sweet home alabama,

    So glad you started this thread. I also followed your other thread about 9th grade chemistry. As you know, my dd is also doing BJU life science. You seem to be having the same questions and thoughts as me. I've pondered moving on to biology after life science, but I don't know if my dd will be ready for it. This class is a great foundation, but honestly, I'm not sure she's actually comprehending a lot of it. We just finished cellular respiration. The whole time I was helping her I kept thinking, "boy, this is so much easier to understand with some basic chemistry knowledge." So, at this point, I think we'll still do Spectrum chemistry in 9th (& their bridge math) and then do bio in 10th (probably Shepherd). For next year, I don't know yet. I'll be listening intently to the responses.

     

    Jennifer

     

    Jennifer, thank you for responding! I know we are only in 7th grade this year, but I can just see high school looming right around the corner. How did the time go by? Wasn't it only yesterday that dd was a little girl playing dress up and having tea parties with daddy? I get tears just thinking about it.

     

    Pardon my flashback. As I consider teaching high school, sometimes I feel like we can actually do this. Other times I really get very worried because so much is riding on my actions and decisions. I'm trying to get ready for high school NOW because I only get one shot at this, and I don't want to mess up.

     

    I know we all go through these feelings, and I am SO thankful to have the help of the ladies on TWTM.

     

    As for BJU, my dd seems to be improving study skills and generally just finding her groove with life science. This has been the class that has been the best and the worst all at the same time.

     

    I'm interested that you found Science Shepherd too. I read about it just in doing research on the board, and it looks promising. CBD had one review that was not favorable. The reviewer complained of many errors in the writing, I think. It crossed my mind that there would be time for the author to make corrections before we would need to use it.

     

    I can see using Spectrum in 9th and Science Shepherd in 10th if we did not continue with BJU. Thus my question. Life Science may well have us prepared for their biology. It might even be a little "easier" only in that it is a continuation of something we are familiar with.

     

    I'm hoping to hear about CPO middle school physical science and other favorite high school biology classes that are being used this year. Hopefully we can all benefit from any experiences shared.

     

    :001_smile:

  20. We are using BJU 7th grade Life Science with DVDs this year. My dd has learned a lot, but it hasn't been easy. She is not enjoying this class like I thought she would. The videoes seem to prolong the time it takes to do science. We have to take tests open book, yet we take quizzes closed book (information is more fresh on the mind.) She seems to be doing better and better as the year progresses. That encourages me.

     

    I'm beginning to think about/plan high school biology (all science, actually). I'm a little afraid of BJU high school, BUT just looking at the 10th grade text, it is much like 7th grade life science just deeper. It could be that we will be well prepared for 10th grade BJU biology (yet that is three whole years away!) :eek::ack2::ohmy: (For 8th grade, I want dd to study physical science -chemistry and physics. I'm strongly considering CPO middle school physical science. We've studied earth/space science and don't want to repeat it.)

     

    If there is a better 8th grade physical science (chemistry/physics) better than CPO, I would love to hear about it.

     

    Can anyone tell me about BJU 10th grade biology? I'd also like to know your favorite biology texts in case we don't do BJU. I want to find something engaging that has the element of *fun* to it, yet solidly college-prep. If it helps, I'm seriously considering chemistry in 9th grade before 10th grade biology.

     

    :bigear: Thanks so much for all of you help!

  21. Thank you for sharing your experience. My son is a bare-bones kind of person..he just wants the facts. We actually have the Bob Jones math DVDs, but those are torture for him to watch because of the long explanations.

     

    Maybe Math Mammoth would be a better supplement? We have been using LOF for additional work, but he hates it...too long-winded and far fetched for him.

     

    Gayle

     

    Gayle, I've heard a lot of people like Keys To... We've never used this, but I think they have several subjects to choose from. It might make a good review, and I've heard that it is to-the-point. I think CBD sells them. (Keys To Fractions; Keys to Decimals, etc...)

  22. Anyone know if the Teaching Company's Basic Math course is good, and if it would be a good supplement for a struggling 7th grader? I'm thinking it would be a good addition to help him better understand the basics, but am worried that it might be too hard. Any opinions on it?

     

    Thanks!

    Gayle

     

     

    Gayle,

    We tried to use it last year when I had a 6th and 4th grader (practice).

     

    The teacher was a very sweet grandfatherly man. He would demonstrate how to do math and then write down problems on a white board for the at-home student to work out. Then, he worked them out to see if we got the right answer.

     

    We started out watching the teaching part, but we soon gave up on it. The teacher was long-winded. We all determined that he could have communicated the lesson in a much better way and shorter time. His teaching and explanations made for a LONG lesson.

     

    We began to fast-forward through his talking. When a problem came up, each child would copy and answer it on a white board. I would do the same on my own, and we would check the math together before checking with the teacher. It was very easy just to use the play-FF feature on our dvd player. That way we could see the teacher's explanation and answer without having to hear him go on and on.

     

    We never got all the way through it, but there were some decent algebra problems toward the end. I'm not sure if it covered anything past algebra. The student who completes the entire curriculum could get a great review. Since we did not complete the program, my review might be an unfair one.

     

    I ended up returning Basic Math without finishing it. It just wasn't a good match for us. As for 7th grade, the pre-algebra part of the book is very do-able. It truly is "basic math". The last half of the book seemed challenging. I tried a few problems from several sections at the end of my dd's 6th grade year to practice for the SAT, and they were tricky for her. We were learning the oder of operations, and applying it to long, unfamiliar equations.

     

    I think Basic Math would challenge any 7th grader as he tries to work problems toward the end of the book. As far as the level of challenge, that would just depend on the students personal abilities.

  23. This is what my plan looks like at this point. Dd loves physics, her father is a chemist, and she hasn't taken to biology in the same way so far; so to repeat these two sciences in a more intense way and in more depth makes sense for us. According to the people at Living By Chemistry, kids who have gone through the book do well in AP classes, so it would seem to provide a perfectly good background or beginning level of coverage. And reading it with my dd, I'm impressed -- nothing is too flashy or wordy; it's a very clean text, and in general very clearly written, and I'm learning more about chemistry than I did in high school or in my own general ed college class. The end-of-chapter questions make you think and use your knowledge rather than repeat what the book says (by the way, I don't have an instructor's manual because dh is a chemist; but I'd get one if I were doing this on my own).

     

    Thank you, KarenAnne!!! I plan to take my time and look at this book carefully! :001_smile:

  24. From KarenAnne:

     

    I, too, opted for a conceptual chemistry book for my dd, 9th grade; she did Conceptual Physics in 8th and will repeat either or both classes at a higher level later in high school. This year we are using Living By Chemistry, a textbook put out by the same people who do the GEMS science for younger kids (which we used all the way through junior high and loved). The textbook emphasizes conceptual understanding over enormous amounts of memorization and problem-solving.

     

     

    From SweetHomeAlabama:

     

    KarenAnne, Living by Chemistry is a beautiful book! Thank you for sharing it.

     

    Your remark has me wondering something:

     

    7th Life Science (we are currently using BJU 7th grade Life Science)

    8th conceptual physics (unsure what curriculua) (while taking Alg. I)

    9th conceptual chemistry (unsure what curriculua) (Alg. II or geometry???)

    10th biology

    11th chemistry

    12th physics

     

    I'm really "talking" outloud to see if this makes any sense. The first three would be more introductory. The last three would have to be "regular". I'm not sure if our math would be adequate. This may also not allow for advanced classes, but would is it a good idea as far as really understanding the subjects? I've read a lot about physics first, but I haven't made up my mind.

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