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IT IS!!!!!
My children also like the supplemental site - Headventure Land Please take some time to go to it. Go to the CAP website and there is a link. Many wonderful additions.
I like it too. If you have your child memorize the 1st - 5th declensions and all of the verb tense endings from the beginning, it's easy. I am quite pleased with it.
Thank you, Karis! I found Headventure just two days ago. It IS wonderful. This must be new because when I was looking at the LfC web page several months ago, I don't remember this being there...
I don't understand how Headventure is scheduled. Is there a lesson plan that says, "Do lesson 1... Now do Headventure video 1?" I think the only disadvantage would be if Headventure isn't a planned part of the curriculum. Also, just the time it takes for the videos to load on the computer. This was a problem this morning when I was trying to watch some of them.
We really like LfC A, including the DVD and the Magister. He has a quirky sense of humor, which goes over very well in our house. :) It is a lot, but we keep reviewing the vocabulary from previous chapters, which helps a lot. My 2nd grader is keeping up with my 4th grader just fine (though my 2nd grader seems to have a knack for languages and is keeping up with his older brother in MCT Island as well). None of us are crazy about the English derivative pages, so we usually skip those and instead I typically point out English words that come from the Latin words as we work through the chapters.MyLittleWonders, I'm amazed that your 2nd grader is keeping up with your 4th grader in this Latin. That is wonderful!
My 3rd grader has an older brother and sister who will be in 6th and 8th grades next year. The 8th grader especially will have classes that will require my help. I'm having to learn how to balance the time among all three children so that I can help each one.
I could be wrong, yet it seems like LfC might take more time than LL. This is a concern and another reason I am still considering LL.
Algebra I, physical science (physics and chemistry), English I (The Potter's School, maybe), Analytical Grammar, and SWB middle school writing are some of the challenges my older two are facing next year.
He may only be in 3rd, but my youngest will just be beginning the more intense elementary school subjects. He will need me just as much as the older ones, so I'm trying to be careful with curricula choices.
Your comment that LfC is a lot is not surprising. How long-on average- do you all take for LfC?
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I like it and my son likes it. It is one of the few subjects he doesn't complain about (go figure). He likes the chanting and the children standing there in the video chanting. The puzzle pages are fun too. He isn't so crazy about the teacher guy, but I don't mind him.
I have never seen LL, but from your description I think I might like that one too. I personally don't mind black and white. In fact, if there is too much color and splash and confusion on a page I feel like hurling the book across the room (and it is unfortunately how many children's books are written these days).
I agree there is a lot in each chapter. We just go more slowly. I don't do one chapter per week. I don't even care if it takes an entire month to do a chapter, so I don't mind that aspect.
I will take a look at Lively Latin though. The only other Latin program I have used was Latin's Not So Tough (which was so so).
Thanks, Wendy!
Let us all know what you think about LL since you might be able to offer a comparison.
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Thank you, ladies!
I sent Catherine Drown another e-mail:tongue_smilie: to ask her about the mistakes/corrections in LL since I'm trying to decide between LfC and LL. I was thrilled to hear from her that LL is 98% corrected and that any minor errors would not prevent anyone from learning Latin.
I am leaning toward LL. We will finish Getting Started with Latin by Bill Linney this year. When I asked him about what to do after GSwL, he basically suggested to maintain interest in Latin and not to overload the child.
I'm going to continue researching LL and LfC, and I hope others will continue to share opinions about how *fun* LfC is.
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Ok- I'm not trying to sound shallow. I don't mean fun as in a piece of sugary candy or a cheap comic book... I mean fun as in engaging: like a good book that you just can't put down. Latin has to have some fun to it or a student would want to drop it like a hot potato.
Compared to Lively Latin's color and open-looking pages (lots of white space), LfC is a densely packed black and white text that feels HEAVY to me for a 3rd grader. I know there are fun extras, but I don't see how they are scheduled.
I want to like LfC because posts here sound like there is clearer instruction compared to LL. I get the feeling it might be better organized-especially in the long run. It just looks DRAB. What about the DVD lessons? The sample lesson does not impress me. The teacher "scribbles" on a white board and flies through a lesson that would be very abstract for a3rd grader. Am I wrong?
Really, I'm not trying to be critical. I AM trying to understand.
I've also heard about enough mistakes in LL that it makes some people NUTS! :tongue_smilie: Are the mistakes really that bad? I emailed Cathering Drown, but she has not responded to my question about fixing the errors in BB1.
How can LfC be fun when it looks so text-booky?
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Mr. Linney's comment:
"I think that at this stage of the game, the challenge is to maintain interest and don't overload the child (goals I tried to accomplish in my book)."
He did mention that the lessons from Linney's Latin Class are free and available online, but that they would be for someone older...... not 3rd grade.
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I don't think my situation will be very helpful, but since I'm a loyal GSWL user, I'll reply anyway :D. I was using it with my two oldest last year... actually slowed down my oldest because my 2nd ds wanted to join us. I wasn't sure where we would go next... LFC looked too tedious to me after the simple translating we did in GSWL. I bought Latin Prep knowing my 2nd ds might not be ready for it.
It took awhile for me to add Latin back in this school year and by the time I did, 2nd ds had forgotten a fair amount of it. So, I'm going back through GSWL with him alone, faster for review. My hope is to start him in Latin Prep next fall when he'll be 4th grade. (My oldest wants to switch to Spanish, which I hope to do after Christmas.)
I totally understand the frustration... there just aren't a lot of Latin programs out there that appeal to me. I have no desire to turn it into a drill and kill subject after GSWL's gradual, painless approach.
Lynn, I really appreciate your comments. GSwL is just so simple in its concept and use. If I get something too "academic", I'll just lose my ds. He'll ONLY be in 3rd grade, and Latin still needs to be fun, IMO.
LL just looks more fun, yet I'm concerned about what others have said about the scanty directions..... I REALLY want to understand the curriculum from a teacher's standpoint so I can make the best use of time. I don't want to have to figure out what the author means. The other disadvantage to LL is simply the printing out of all the pages, and the cost for buying the printed book is quite expensive. (Although, LfC isn't cheap either.)
I have another option besides LL or LfC. I have both sets of English from the Roots Up and both sets of Rummy Roots. I could use these. We've used them just a little when he needed a break from GSwL. Then I could look into Latin Prep for 4th. It's a well-loved Latin curriculua from what I've read on this board. Yet, I think there is a question about what to do after that.
I Emailed Bill Linney this morning to get his opinion. I'll see what he suggests.
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5) My dds love the dvds. And since I'm learning alongside of them, it really helps me to see a Latin teacher explain the material. (Incidentally, that's not the part my dds like. They like watching the kids chant and they love the silly continuing stories at the end of the lessons in LfC A and B.)
Thanks, Ali! Only yesterday did I hear about the stories at the end of the lesson. I've looked on the web site, but I've never seen the stories as part of the samples. I'll certainly look harder.
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My DD has enjoyed LfC, but we stopped doing the videos after about lesson 2 except for the first segment that gives the motions for the chants because she had exactly that reaction. I figured when we started that we'd go slow and plan on going back and doing more with the grammar later, but she's been able to grasp the grammar. She enjoys the chant CD, too. We're using it in combination with Minimus, which she enjoys, and she's gotten very into the history reader.
Thank you, Dmmetler. There are a few here who use GSwL.... anyone else?
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My ds will finish GSwL this year. I need to choose Latin for next year when he'll be in 3rd grade.
Background:
We have finished FLL 1/2. We will work through FLL 3 beginning in January and get as far as we can-hopefully finishing it by the end of this year. He is also working on WWE 2. Unless we hit a major snag, we should also finish it this year. He isn't having any problems in grammar.
Like just about everyone else, I'm stuck between choosing Lively Latin or Latin for Children.
I'm drawn to LL, but I've read that sometimes the directions leave you wondering why you are told to do a certain thing. IOW, there can be a lack of continuity as the teacher and student work through the text. Yet, it is colorful and so cheerful. It LOOKS like FUN! (Not fun for fun's sake, but fun as in engaging so that the student wants to do Latin.... not dread it.) I would have to spend the bucks for the book or spend the bucks to print!!! Yuck!
LfC seems to have the bigger following. It sounds like it has better directions and has continuity. It's open and go! Big plus. Yet, it is black/white. Also, from viewing the sample video, I think my ds would roll his eyes in a "Do I have to watch him again" sort of way. I just don't know if my ds would think LfC is fun. We used SSL when he was in 1st grade, and he loved it.
I've tried to consider which to choose- from the viewpoint of what we'll know when we finish LL 2 or LfC C.... what would we do next? Which has a better long term plan?
I could just let my ds see both and choose the one that HE likes the best.... but I'm not ready to let him make the decision alone.
I would like Latin to be engaging and painless..... (easy for teacher and student to open and do and finish in a reasonable amount of time).... the 6th grade brother and 8th grade sister will need help with their school too, so I don't want to get bogged down in frustration with 3rd grade Latin.
Bottom line: We will FINISH GSw/L this year. Could you suggest LL or LfC to do after GSwL??? Or is there something better for 3rd grade?
I'm considering either R&S 3 or CLE 3 or possibly Abeka Language 3 for grammar next year. LA lineup (right now) looks like:
Grammar: R&S 3 or CLE 3 or Abeka 3
WWE 3 or Writing Tales (if ds needs a break)
Latin: ???
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Bumping for you, 1Togo. I have just started 3-level outlines with my 7th grader this week. It's our first year trying SWB's middle school writing. We started the year with just a one level outline and gradually progressed to the three level.
I don't have much in the way of suggestions since we're so new to it. What about practicing different kinds of writing: descriptive, persuasive, expository, operational, etc. This would put a spin on how the paragraph/essay is written. Or, maybe write to different audiences.
You could also use one of your outlines and develop it further turning an interesting topic into a longer essay..... just trying to help you think. Maybe someone else will have better ideas...:001_smile:
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Several of you have used TOPS and GEMS with science. This is another option, yet I just don't have any experience with these, and I'm not sure how easy they would be to implement. Rainbow comes with everything which is an advantage.
- The 8th grader would do CPO. (middle school or Foundations???)
- The 6th grader would focus on TOPS and GEMS.
- The 8th grader would do TOPS and GEMS with the 6th grader.
- TOPS and GEMS would follow CPO.
I get exhausted when I think about collecting everything I would need for GEMS, and I read one comment about TOPS that suggested that the bottom line of the lesson is sometimes not clear. The teacher has to interpret the relevance or meaning of the experiment to the student.
I think there would be plenty of TOPS and GEMS to cover topics in CPO, but I don't know if TOPS/GEMS with CPO is better than Rainbow and CPO.
Thoughts?:bigear:
- The 8th grader would do CPO. (middle school or Foundations???)
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Ok... this may be a long shot. Please tell me if this is crazy or if it might work.
For next year when kids will be in 8th and 6th:
CPO Physical Science for the 8th grader and Rainbow for the 6th grader:
- Both cover physics and chemistry.
- CPO has great information but isn't homeschool friendly since their experiments are beyond expensive.
- Rainbow HAS experiments and is homeschool friendly.
- Rainbow experiments make the "symbiotic" relationship.
- Both kids go on to study biology the next year: 7th grader with Rainbow biology; 9th grader with a biology for high school.
According to the Rainbow schedule, a student reads two days and does an experiment on the third day. The 6th grader would follow this schedule (Mon., Wed., and Friday.)
For the 8th grader:
Days 1 and 3: Read Rainbow plus the corresponding CPO text.
Days 2 and 4: Do corresponding CPO math problems; section/chapter questions.
Day 5: 6th and 8th grader do Rainbow experiments together.
The most obvious problem would be to link the topics together. I tried doing this with the Foundations of Physical Science book today, and it looked possible. I used Foundations because it has more bredth and depth than the middle school physical science. I thought I could link more concepts with the Foundations book.
I considered the 9th grade text may be too hard, but then after researching Conceptual Physics, I read over and over where it was ok to leave math out and also to pick and choose chapters.... leave some out. It sounded like I could apply this kind of flexibility to CPO Foundations.
Is this a reasonable idea or not? Which CPO text would you try this with.... middle school edition or Foundations 9th grade? Cost might be a con especially if both the CPO text and teacher's manual were purchased....
Please share advice....
It could be that what I've described isn't worth the work it would take to bring them together.
I may need to choose one instead of trying to do both.
Or... is there any other science that I could use with CPO like I've described in place of Rainbow?
- Both cover physics and chemistry.
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The videos are free on the web through different resources online so I wouldn't recommend buying them. :) For me it is work because I don't remember having taken physics, EVER. My stepmother assures me this isn't the case but I don't remember any of this, so it is all new to me. My DH is helping me with this so it isn't too bad but it is the first science that I am actually teaching myself so I can teach my DC. It is a very humbling experience as science has always been of interest to me and I follow some of the 21st century physics, without having done the basics. My DH jokes that I just blocked out the teacher, since we went to the same high school, so who knows.
If you'd like to see more of the math then click on the syllabus that I linked for you, there are problem worksheet samples for each chapter, but it is mostly just plugging information into the formulas. The videos for CP are also in that link.
Thanks, Melissa! I read your PM that you sent to me again during lunch. :001_smile: It's a relief that I wouldn't have to spend $500!!!
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My understanding is that the Conceptual Physcial Science Exloration videos are the videos from Conceptual Physics and Conceptual Chemistry. I looked into them at this site. If you go to Table of Contents they list which course they were taken from.
Melmichigan,
CHOKE!:D These DVDs are $500!! YIKES!!:lol:
Ok, did this just make up my mind for me???
I feel I can adjust for CPO's equipment, but how would the Conceptual classes be if I didn't use these $500 DVDs???
Anyone know?
PS. Melmichigan, I copied your comment from an earlier post:
We are working through Conceptual Physics the High School program right now. After all the talk I printed the first chapter of the Elements to look through with my DD. This might be something fun to do before we get to Conceptual Chemistry. I really like the focus on memorization. :001_smile: (I need some fun right now, this physics stuff is work. :lol:)
Just a thought..... if CP is "work" that makes me think "rigorus". I'm glad you posted this. We'll do Algebra I, and I'm thinking we'll do TPS English I. These will be as much rigor as I want to sign up for. It looks more like CPO would be a better fit for us. Thanks for posting!
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I would do what you think will be best for your student. I think a good middle school physical science course in 8th grade is a wonderful way to prepare for high school science, especially if the student is taking algebra I concurrently. Depending on the student, Conceptual Physics and algebra I during the same year could be a bit much.
My opinion of Explorations is that it is ok, not fabulous (I'm pretty sure I won't use it again with my younger son). I wouldn't use Explorations in 8th with intention of doing Conceptual Physics/Chemistry later. It would be too repetitive.
Kai, I am so glad you put it this way. Out of curiosity, what if we used Conceptual Chemistry in 8th grade? Given we're doning Alg. I, would CC also be too much?
Could you help me understand how to schdule CP Physical Science? How many days/week and minutes/lesson? Truly, the advantage of using this is the videoes. I would NOT have to do the teaching, and I LIKE that!
Do you have a feel for comparing CPO physical to CP Physical?
What kind of math should I expect to have to do if we do CP Physical? Would you say it's more enjoyable or more "work"? (Subjective question:tongue_smilie:)
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Kai,
Can you describe a schedule for Conceptual Physical Science? I would like to understand how to use the book with the videoes.
I get the feeling there are video lessons for both physics and chemistry. Is this right? I've watched the Conceptual Chem videoes on-line. Is this what I would get on the included DVD?
How many days/week and minutes/lesson would I need to allow?
What kind of math should I expect?
OK... a subjective question.... as far as rigor, do you feel like this class would be easy to understand and enjoy OR would it be "work"?
The Pearson site doesn't do a good job explaining how to actually DO lessons..... the implementation.
I have learned a lot about CPO. I would like to get a better feel for CPPS.
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We follow this general routine for CPO. I use the teacher manual recommendations of when to do the Investigations (labs). They are usually scheduled before the related reading sections, giving the student hands-on experience before reading about concepts.
Investigation
Section reading (read/notes/section review) 1-2 days depending on length
Investigation
Section reading
Skill sheets (if applicable)
Chapter connection
Chapter activity
Chapter assessment
Some chapters have more than 2 reading sections. We usually do science 4 to 5 days a week, covering a chapter every 2 weeks.
For the labs, I spend the summer ahead gathering materials and supplies. For many of the physical science motion investigations, we used hot wheels tracks/cars with a stop watch - not as accurate as CPO equipment, but got the basic job done for a whole lot less! I printed elements on cardstock for the element tiles. I did splurge and purchase the atom building game as I will get to use it with two other younger dc.
I haven't seen the other chemistry programs you are looking at, but I felt CPO was a very thorough foundation.
KangaTo3,
Thank you so much for posting this schedule!
Everyone has been so kind to help me! I can't tell you how thankful I am for all the comments and suggestions. I truly hope this has help others.
I feel like I'm down to either CPO middle school physical science or Conceptual Physical Science. Both will teach chem and physics. I LOVE the video part of the Conceptual book!!!
I am still a bit concerned that focusing on both may sacrifice deep learning of just one, yet it seems there would be less of a threat of overwhelming my dd. Comments????? In addition, when I try to pick between chemistry OR physics for 8th I just go in CIRCLES!!!
These are the two I'm going to target for more research.
Please continue to add comments. I think this is a HUGE decision that has lasting implications.
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I haven't seen Carbon Chemistry. FWIW, the chemistry of carbon (that is organic chemistry) will be a very small part of a high school science course (like a chapter or less), so using the McHenry resource won't be much help with high school prep.
While McHenry's The Elements is a nice introduction to the table (with the exception of the emphasis on memorization), Carbon Chemistry will likely have very little about the periodic table in it.
If you use Conceptual Chemistry or Conceptual Physical Science-Explorations (the chemistry part) in middle school, your child will have a good understanding of the trends in the periodic table. Any high school or college chemistry instructor that has any sense at all will not be asking his/her students to memorize the periodic table and will give the students a periodic table as a reference during tests. Students will become quite familiar with the specific properties of the more common elements through the course of the year simply by doing lots of problems.
Another possibility would be the Science Explorer chemistry books (there are two). I haven't used the chemistry books specifically, but I have used the earth science books and they are quite good. The level will be lower than the Conceptual books, more of a typical middle school level (with the Conceptual books being at an upper middle/lower high school level).
Kia,
I just read from a different WTMer who suggested studying deeper (like CP and CC) can help a student more on ACT/SAT than using a physical science which teaches chem/physics "lite".
I feel just a little torn only because I don't want something overwhemling in 8th and I want to be sure I prep for both chem and physics.
I could use CPO and study both chem/physics "lite" OR I could use CP in 9th and CC in 10th OR I could use Conceptual Physical Science. The CPO is the only version written for 8th grade.
Ultimately I have to make the decision, of course:001_unsure:, and I'm trying to figure out the consequences of each choice.
So what if I do CPO and we study chem/physics in a "lite" way? Then we can study a deeper level of both of them in high school.
If we study CP in 8th and CC in 9th, will it be overwhelming? I just don't know.
I *think* our classes will look like this:
Math: Lial's Intro to Alg. I
Science: ?
LA: TPS English I (which will be challenging); Megawords
History: Medieval
Lit: LLftLotR orally to supplement history (doing ancients this year)
For. Lang: Rosetta Stone Spanish yr. 3
The math and LA will be challenging for us in 8th grade, which is why I've thought I could let science be light.
So, I'm leaning toward CPO. Is this a mistake? Should I reconsider and do CP in 8th and CC in 9th so we have a deeper understanding????:confused:
My head is beginning to spin!:tongue_smilie::lol::D
Thanks for your help!!!
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I haven't seen Carbon Chemistry. FWIW, the chemistry of carbon (that is organic chemistry) will be a very small part of a high school science course (like a chapter or less), so using the McHenry resource won't be much help with high school prep.
While McHenry's The Elements is a nice introduction to the table (with the exception of the emphasis on memorization), Carbon Chemistry will likely have very little about the periodic table in it.
If you use Conceptual Chemistry or Conceptual Physical Science-Explorations (the chemistry part) in middle school, your child will have a good understanding of the trends in the periodic table. Any high school or college chemistry instructor that has any sense at all will not be asking his/her students to memorize the periodic table and will give the students a periodic table as a reference during tests. Students will become quite familiar with the specific properties of the more common elements through the course of the year simply by doing lots of problems.
Another possibility would be the Science Explorer chemistry books (there are two). I haven't used the chemistry books specifically, but I have used the earth science books and they are quite good. The level will be lower than the Conceptual books, more of a typical middle school level (with the Conceptual books being at an upper middle/lower high school level).
Kai,
Just curious, what do you know about Real Science for Kids Chemistry Level 2? This looks wonderful, but I've read some threads here that suggest it has had trouble with errors. I do not know if this is still the case or not.
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We are using Lial's BCM (8th ed.). It is a book used frequently for pre-algebra. It is written to the student, and covers EVERYTHING starting with addition of whole numbers and goes through basic algebra, geometry, and statistics.
My dd (7th grade) does word problems daily, and they are challenging. I'm sure some would find them easier/harder than we do based on maturity and understanding math. Many of the word problems are multi-step.
This is a possible source you could use, and you can buy it and the solutions manuel (which works out the odd exercises problems and all review/test problems for you) at resonable prices. I bought mine on Amazon.
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I think you are right in your evaluation of DIVE. It is intended as a 9th grade Chemistry/Physics class and is pretty intense for 8th grade. It is less intense than what I was doing on my own with a 9th grade book, but I don't think it would sit well on the back burner. If you are concerned with her not having time for it, I wouldn't go there (even though we are there and enjoying it).
I think CPO sounds like a good choice, even though I haven't used it. I have tried a couple of the Science Explorers. My dd did the weather book for 5th grade. I am not impressed with these for 8th grade. We've used them to follow rabbit trails, not as a main curriculum and found them fun for that.
Thank you, Debbie! I know a lot of people use DIVE. I will keep DIVE in mind as my dd gets into high school. CPO is "feeling" better and better.
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We used the CA version of CPO, Focus on Physical Science, for 8th grade, and I thought it to be excellent prep for high school science. We had previously tried Rainbow and PH Science Explorer, and both dd and I preferred CPO, hands down. Besides the text, there are plenty of free skills sheets online which reinforce many of the concepts and skills.
9th grade dd is currently taking Biology and feels that the chemistry she learned last year has been a huge help.
This is so encouraging, Kangato3! :001_smile:
If you have a chance, would you please tell me what your schedule is? There are 18 chapters in the regular CPO middle school science book (which I'll probably use. I like the topics covered better.) Will 18 chapters last the whole year?
How many days/week and how much time/lesson do you schedule CPO? Also, how do you handle the experiments? The kit from CPO is VERY expensive (~$1500) I think.
There is more physics in CPO than chemistry, and I have wondered about supplementing the chemistry with Ellen McHenry's The Elements in 1st semester (which I would also do with my 3rd and 6th graders.) In 2nd semester I would use Carbon Chemistry.
This may be too much. CPO may be enough. I just want to be sure we have a good foundation in both physics and chemistry.
What is your opinion?
Thank you sooo much for responding!!!
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IIRC, Biology is in the *second* year of Rainbow. The first year is Physics and Chemistry. So you could use year 1 only.
Thank you, Maverick Mom! I thought you had to buy both years. :001_smile:
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Unfortunately, the focus in memorization in The Elements isn't really on the right things. The most important things to know about the periodic table are the trends, but McHenry spends lots of energy on memorizing the elements themselves, which is really not overly relevant to the study of chemistry. (FWIW, my degree is in biochemistry and so I've had lots of chemistry).
Kai, thank you for weighing in!
I know The Elements is for a younger child.... I would use it in 1st semester secondary to CPO physical. Then in 2nd semester, I would use Carbon Chem which is "supposed" to be appropriate for up to 9th grade.
Since I don't want rigor and only want foundational material, I was hoping the CPO chemistry portion with Carbon Chemistry might provide the foundation for high school...... maybe Spectrum? That's another thread!!!!:lol:
Do you still feel like this is inappropriate? If so, my alternate is RS4K Chemistry Level 2 with Carbon Chemistry. The thing is, CPO middle school physical science might be enough all on its own, and here I go complicating things!
Please let me know what you think. As always, thanks so much for all your help!
Please convince me that Latin for Children is fun...
in K-8 Curriculum Board
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From Karis:
But it sounds like you really like LL.
Yes, Karis, I like LL better. Yet, I became concerned when I read comments about the errors in the LL text and directions that led moms to wonder, "Why is the author asking us to do that???"
If LL is unclear, confusing, full of errors I probably need to find something else. LfC has a huge following with reviews that are very positive. It is known to be clear, well-organized, and well-loved by those who use it. With such a reputation, I have had to research it.
I just feel like my ds would enjoy the color and simplicity of LL compared to LfC. He is only going to be in 3rd. I am most concerned about preserving his love of school and love of Latin more than I am to find the most academic program for 3rd grade. I think LL would preserve the love more than LfC would.
After Catherine Drown's response to me today, I feel better about LL. She said that LL in now 98% correct and what errors are left would not keep anyone from learning Latin. So, now my pendulum is swinging back towards LL.
I'm still all ears, however, about LfC. Nothing is completely decided at this point.