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Hello! My oldest is currently a junior. We're starting to make our game plan for college application season and I am curious: What is the earliest that students may submit applications (generally speaking)? I know every application is different, and most of the sites we're looking at say that the Early Action deadlines are around November 15th. But those are the deadlines; I'm curious how early she can submit--August? September? Just curious if anyone might share the earliest they were able to submit.
Are there any pros or cons or obstacles you've come up against when submitting as early as possible? Thank you for any advice!
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21 hours ago, freesia said:
I think one of the homeschool options in Maryland is an umbrella school, which is a "magical agency that cranks out transcripts and diplomas." I think colleges in the states with umbrella schools tend to write from that perspective. You "could" register with something like HomeLife Academy in Tennessee and get the transcripts, diplomas from there. I did that for various reasons when we were in NY.
Yes! Fair point. (We used to live and homeschool in Maryland, though we never opted for the umbrella option.)
I guess I just feel that since colleges are assessing applicants from all 50 states (and internationally!), they should be better-versed in the variety of ways homeschooling functions. Or at least, the admissions counselors for each geographical region should understand how homeschooling works in the states they are responsible for. (For instance, my daughter's admissions counselor at MICA is in charge of applicants from Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Mass., Michigan, Minn., Missouri, Nebraska, and Ohio. So I don't think it's unreasonable to expect them to be familiar with homeschooling laws and procedures in these states. Student applicants are expected to adjust their applications for every individual school; schools should likewise have to know their prospective students.)
Thank you also for mentioning the Tennessee academy. I hope to not have to need something like that, but I appreciate knowing it exists as an option!
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Thank you so much to everyone has chimed in, and for sharing stories! I was freaking out for a bit there, but I think the school just don't know what it's asking. This information was coming from a regular admissions officer (not a student), but I suspect it will be fine. (It's just frustrating when the school's policy doesn't seem to understand homeschooling/seems to contradict itself. Like, what magical agency cranks out homeschool transcripts and diplomas? lol.) I think my daughter will just apply with all the same, thorough documents we'll be providing her other prospective schools and let the chips fall.
Like others have said, it just seems weird that as an art school, they don't get more than the average amount of "alternative" students; you'd think they would be more familiar with homeschooling. It stands in stark contrast with another school on her list, Savannah College of Art & Design, which has super homeschooling-friendly language on their website (screenshot attached). For this and other reasons, SCAD is definitely a school she is especially interested in....
Anyway, thank you again! So helpful!
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5 hours ago, regentrude said:
We encountered a school that said on their website that they require a GED from homeschoolers. I pointed out that our kid wouldn't even be eligible to take the GED because he had legally finished highschool. They realized that the info on their website was "misleading" and ended up changing it.
You might want to speak to a different person in admissions. Just because one counselor is clueless about homeschooling doesn't mean the entire department is. Turnover in these offices is high, and I'm not sure how much training and information they get.
Your comment made me lol. It made me realize that yes, my daughter won't even be eligible to take the GED because she'll legally be a high school graduate! (And I recently looked this up on the GED website.) Thank you for your input!
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My daughter is interested to applying to Maryland Institute College of Art (MICA) in the fall. Their website says homeschoolers not in some sort of specific program must have a GED. I emailed them to ask if the GED requirement is flexible. I got this response:
Homeschool applicants must provide the equivalent of a high school transcript with course or subject titles, duration of study for each title, the content of study for each title, and an assessment of performance or "grade". Preferably, the courses completed at home are part of a curriculum developed and evaluated by a nationally recognized diploma-granting organization or agency. If not connected with such an organization and an official transcript from a state homeschool association or sponsoring public high school is not available, homeschool applicants must obtain and submit GED, TASC or HiSET exam results as confirmation of completing a generally acceptable secondary school curriculum. Individual homeschool transcripts with date of completion do not suffice as official proof of graduation.
In my original inquiry, I tried to explain that Ohio (where we live) fully recognizes homeschool diplomas, so like, the diploma I grant her should be proof that she has really graduated. The admissions counselor seems to believe that because Ohio recognizes diplomas, we are in some sort of umbrella program, but we are not. Basically, they don't seem to understand homeschooling at all, and I am trying to communicate that yes, my daughter absolutely is doing proper high school. (By graduation, she will also have 28 credits of dual enrollment with our local CC!)
None of the other major art schools seem to have this disconnect; they all have reasonable homeschool admissions requirements. So I just feel at a bit of a loss; we don't have the requirement they mention (and making my daughter get her GED feels insulting), but I don't think the school even understands how homeschooling works or what they are asking. It's like they don't even know what they want. MICA is a respected art school and it has a lot of pluses, so I don't want to take it off my daughter's list if I can find a way forward, but I don't really know how to proceed. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!
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Okay, fiiiiine! lol. Thank you for your input; I appreciate it! We will jump through this hoop.
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Hello! One more follow-up question about college admissions.
My 11th-grader is signed up for two SAT dates: May and June. As we've been researching prospective schools, it's become clear that ALL of the prospective schools on her list--the state flagship (OSU) and a host of art schools--are all test-optional. She is also currently doing lots of DE at the local cc, and did not need an SAT score for that. All that to say: I'm beginning to wonder why we are spending valuable time prepping for the SAT? (We could be spending this time on Algebra II, her art portfolio, and all her other courses....)
Is there a reason to take the SAT anyway that I'm not considering? (I expect that she would crush the language arts section and perform just average on the math section.) We are both on board with doing whatever is best for her future goals, but I'm honestly really struggling to see the point. Please advise! Thank you!
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11 hours ago, Dmmetler said:
Statistics is honestly a more useful 4th math for most non-STEM majors than Pre-Calculus.
As a non-math person, I honestly hadn't considered this. Maybe she can just take statistics at cc second semester senior year? I will think about that!
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Just now, cintinative said:
Looking at UC's requirements, some of them are less even than College Algebra or Trig.
I wonder if my son could manage one of those classes as a CCP student. Like this one for example:
MATH1008 Foundations of Quantitative Reasoning
3 Undergraduate Credits
Prerequisite recommend:
30+ ALEKS
420 Math Placement Test
Project-based course, emphasizing problem-solving, model-building, and basic data manipulation in real world contexts. Topics include: problem-solving, statistical reasoning, linear and exponential modeling, and modeling with geometry.I know; that's another possibility: To do a CCP math class second semester senior year at the cc. She really doesn't want to do math through a class, though (at least when we do math on our own, we control the pacing and the assessments, etc.,). That's another reason I'm torn.
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I'm in the thick of planning my oldest daughter's senior year. (She is currently a junior; we are working together to plan her senior courses.) She hopes to attend an art school for graphic design and/or fine arts, but she'll also be applying to our state flagship (Ohio State). She is an excellent student (4.0 unweighted GPA) and is currently taking lots of dual enrollment. Math is her/our weakest subject and I'm trying to decide if it makes sense for her/us to suffer through pre-calculus next year. (She is currently doing Algebra II.) She'll do whatever she needs to do to get where she wants to go, but she would much rather fill her senior year with challenging courses she actually cares about--WTMA French IV, a 4th lab science (would be taken at the community college) as well as more English and social science courses also taken at the cc--than pre-calculus.
Basically: Is this a make-or-break situation? Would you say she definitely needs to have a fourth year of math on her transcript to be accepted to a range of art schools (including the prestigious ones that we probably can't afford, but hey let's take a shot), or does it make sense to let math go, given that she has demonstrated rigor elsewhere on her transcript? (Art school websites rarely list specific courses that students need. OSU's website states that three years of math is the minimum they'll accept, but she exceeds all other minimum requirements they list.)
Note: Obviously, her art portfolio will be a huge factor in her art school acceptance. Her art portfolio is in progress and is strong; I'm strictly asking about the academic side of the equation here.
Thank you for any input and advice!
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5 hours ago, Farrar said:
Two elements. During the live class, the teacher is directing the class, explaining new material, etc. Students can definitely ask things in the chat and have those questions addressed. But they can't bring up something else. Like, they can't be like, hey, Mr. H, explain that thing from two weeks ago because I'm still stuck. They can say, hey, what about this situation for that type of problem you're demonstrating or why can't you do this other method for that type of problem you just showed us.
In the extra help sessions, it's a pure free for all. Kids show up, the teacher just takes their questions in turn. Because they have self-paced classes and semester classes and so forth, kids can be all over the place in terms of the material.
This is so helpful! Thank you!!
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I am considering switching my daughter to Mr. D's Self-Paced Algebra II program. (After years of using and loving Math U See, we switched to CTC Math for the computer grading and efficiency, but it's not working perfectly. I am attracted to Mr. D. because it seems a lot like CTC, but with the added benefit of access to a live instructor.)
My question: How do the sessions with a live instructor work? Can a student bring a specific question and have it answered? Will she have to sit through a bunch of other students' questions before getting her question answered? (That is fine! I'm just trying to get a sense of how efficient the process may or not be.)
Any feedback you can provide about Mr. D would be greatly appreciated. (I wish the website were more than just a class portal; there doesn't seem to be much general information offered there.) Thank you!
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YES to Tyler DeWitt's YouTube channel! He is the BEST and his channel saved our lives last year!
Two other huge chemistry helps (both on YouTube):
- Professor Dave Explains
- Wayne Breslin (he demonstrates balancing all sorts of equations and we found his explanations SO helpful!)
Edited to add: Crash Course Chemistry (also YouTube).
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6 minutes ago, BusyMom5 said:
Our colleges also consider the Art History to be a fine art. Social sciences you might not think of- Psychology, Economics, Sociology, Anthropology, Media Studies, Mass Communication, Geography, Philosophy, Ethics....
So helpful, thanks!
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2 minutes ago, Kassia said:
yes, I've always seen it as a social science.
ETA - ds 2 took Art History (in the art dept as DE) and it definitely counted as fine art and not history.
Thank you!! This information is so helpful!
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Hello!
So, my 11th grader has taken World History (9th grade), AP Art History (10th grade), and American History/Government (currently, in 11th grade). Most colleges we're looking at require 3 social sciences in high school, so I'd like my daughter to take one more social science course, to be safe. (Apparently, sometimes Art History falls under fine arts, so I want to make sure she definitely has 3 courses that are 100% social science, if that makes sense.) There is a good DE Intro to Psychology course offered at her community college next semester and I think she would find this subject interesting, but I wanted to check in with the transcript experts to make sure that Psych checks a box specifically in social science. Has anyone ever had an issue with this? (There are other DE history and sociology options, too, but I think she would enjoy psychology the most.) Thanks for any advice you can offer!
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10 hours ago, cintinative said:
You know, I have mixed feelings about this rule change. On the one hand--yay! No more testing requirement! (Although I have a junior and a senior so we are testing anyway via ACT, etc.). On the other hand--I always thought it was a good thing that they required testing or a portfolio review. It didn't seem like too much of a burden to me. I did the portfolio reviews for years when they were young, and it was helpful to talk over my kids' progress with the reviewer. Of course I know that YMMV on the quality of a portfolio review, but this new generation of homeschoolers will have to seek that out themselves and I worry a little that they won't. Not my circus, not my monkeys, I know, I know.
I know, I feel the same!
We've never done testing; we've always done portfolio reviews, the whole way through. I never found them to be overly burdensome, either, and I never felt restricted by that requirement.
I DO like the part of the new law that simplifies the required subjects. (I don't think safety and fire prevention needs to be covered every year, lol. Like, my kids already know how to stop, drop, and roll....) So, I feel like the new list of required subjects much more accurately reflects how people actually home educate, especially in the high school years. (I have homeschooled in two states - Ohio and Maryland. And I remember being frustrated that in Maryland, music, art, and health were required every year. These subjects are great! But at the high school level, kids usually specialize into doing either visual arts or music, and they usually do health once in high school, not every year--so I always felt like they were requiring more of homeschoolers than of the public schoolers in that regard.) So I like that the part of the new law that addresses subjects is simplified, and you're completely free to choose your own electives, etc.
And I also like the clarity of the August 30th notification date. That will be easy to remember and execute!
So, I'm largely happy with the changes! But I share lots of the thoughts expressed by OHP.
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Have there been any posts on these forums about the upcoming changes to Ohio homeschool law? The new law goes into effect on October 3rd and I am just curious if there's been any discussion about it. (I tried to search back to July when this was first announced, but I tend to have trouble with the board's search features and didn't see anything.)
I sent in my usual notification paperwork in August and I plan to send in the new paperwork this week, but I am just curious to chat about others' experiences. I suspect my school district is going to know nothing about this change and I'm going to have to tell them what they need to send me, lol. But maybe I'll be surprised! (To be fair, they have been easy to work with thus far.) I have mixed feelings about the no assessment thing; would love to hear others' thoughts!
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2 hours ago, Library Momma said:
Does your state have a "state SAT day?" Ours is in March and every kid takes the SAT for free through their school from 9-12 they take the grade level SAT - SAT9, SAT10, PAST and then SAT. I think homeschoolers can request to take them at their local school as well. If you want your student to take additional tests then you would just sign them up normally and pick a school, and of course you would have to pay.
Thank you for this!
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2 hours ago, Farrar said:
My default is take a practice test sometime late sophomore year or very early (like now) junior year in order to decide a bit on how to approach it. But spring junior year is the typical. Early spring with a chance to retake in late spring/summer.
With few exceptions, I don't think most kids need to deviate from that. Of course, schedules, how much a kid needs a high score for their goals, etc. can influence it. Some kids never take. My college kid never ended up taking it and he's doing fine.
Thank you!!
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11 hours ago, BusyMom5 said:
I've done different things with different kids 🤷♀️. If you were to just take it once, probably April of Jr year- she will have most of Algebra 2 done, but still fresh in her mind! By June my kids do not want to do any school, so summer tests aren't our thing. If you want to try again, October or December of Sr year are both good times. If admission depends on it, December could be too late. Often merit is tied to test scores and schools will often tell you the last test they will accept- If you are close to an award, I'd try every time in hopes of making it!
Helpful info, thank you!!
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1 hour ago, ScoutTN said:
My Dd tried both the ACT and the SAT early in her junior year. She did better on and preferred the SAT, so she took that one again in the spring after some prep.
Thank you!!
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2 hours ago, kokotg said:
We've found that spring of junior year and leaving open an option to take it fall of senior year works best for my kids. YMMV, of course. Current senior did May of 11th grade, didn't get the score he wanted, took it again in August senior year and it went up 60 points with pretty light targeted prep. He's doing ED and some EA applications, so we didn't want to push it later for him.
Thank you!!
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14 hours ago, Lucy the Valiant said:
The school that sets up SAT and AP for my kids doesn't know how to register them correctly, so every year they make a new College Board account for my kids, listing the public school as my kids' school so my kids end up w 2 CB accounts. Ps guidance is surprised and embarrassed every year, but I just call CB every year after the scores post, and they fix it. It's a small town, and they mean well. 😉
Good to know--thank you!!
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Re: Recommendation letters
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My junior is about to submit requests to teachers for recommendation letters for the college applications she will be submitting next fall. I haven't yet started poking around in any actual applications (the Common App or otherwise). If her teachers say yes, what exactly are we asking for at this time? Do teachers typically write the letters now, while the experiences are fresh in their minds, and give me (the counselor) digital copies? Or, do her teachers submit the recs directly into the applications using a link of some sort generated by the application? (If so, how soon would they be able to do that, generally speaking?) Any advice to how-to info would be greatly appreciated! Thank you!
(I used to be a high school teacher and wrote tons of college recs myself for my students, but that was 16 years ago now! Back then, I was still sending them in actual paper envelopes....)