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I am not there yet in Saxon Math, my son is only using Math 65 but we are loving Saxon Math so much that we hope we can continue with it through the end. I *think* you should complete Advanced Math before taking the SAT Math Level 2, but I do not *know*. I have not seen the Advanced Mathematics book in person yet, nor do I know much about the SAT subject tests, but based on the description, I think it is safer to complete Adv. Math and maybe take a couple of weeks to do some test prep.
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Yes, he plays the double bass which is definitely work for him. Also, he has fine motor issues, so the act of writing is character building for us both. :lol:
If these are higher priority drudgeries than Latin, then please drop Latin down a well and cut the bucket away. There is no need to do lots of drudgery for the sake of making yourselves miserable.
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We have advanced/accelerated our kids in math and are using Saxon Math 54 and above. I know that Saxon Math is common here, but it doesn't seem many families with advanced/accelerated math students use Saxon Math. We found 54 and it was a good fit. We are in Saxon Math 65 now and plan to continue for as long as it is working.
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I think that there is merit in persevering through a difficult or unenjoyable task (Such as helping my son learn to read :rolleyes:) and learning to discipline yourself to a task that needs to be or should be done, even if you don't want to do it. That is a valuable skill to have for all your life and never too early to learn it.
Your task is to decide if you have a low-priority or high-priority drudgery and what to do about it.
Reading is a high priority drudgery -- it must be done and so we do it. My son doesn't like it, or me many times we do reading, but we do it.
For me, a dead language that no one enjoys and isn't special in its benefits is low priority. We are a bilingual household already and so we put our effort into developing the kids English and native language.
I also think that there is a stage where low-priority drudgery doesn't belong on a childs schedule. Reading is high priority so I roll up my sleeves and drudge on. Math is a high-priority, so we do it. Character development is a high-priority so we work on it. Games and handicrafts are high priority so we do that too. Through Math, Reading, Games, Character Training and and Handicraft skills we learn to persevere, to get over our selves, to keep trying, to focus, to work hard, to be fair, to praise others, to plan and act, to evaluate our actions and see if it was good or bad.
Is there any thing you are doing that is teaching self-discipline and perseverance that is a higher priority drudgery (or joy) than Latin? If so, drop Latin down a well and free yourself of that burden. If not I'd probably finish the latin book we were in and then stop, because I wouldn't want to teach that we drop something mid-stream because it is drudgery.
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We are in the Saxon lovers club, the method and the books just work for us.
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My son won a local math contest, he took first place in his grade division (grades 1-2 were grouped together) and he tied for first place with two others as an individual in elementary level for grades 1-5! We are feeling so proud of him! He is so, so happy!
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If you use Saxon do you use the tests? We don't own them so we don't use them currently, but I think that we might start testing for the next book.
Do you test because the authors says to test or is it helpful to your kids?
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Thank you for all the helpful tips and advice.
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My son recieves private tuitions for English reading and is doing much, much, much better with reading now. He can read easy grade 1 and 2 books, but getting him to read is now such a pain. When I tell him to read he makes a big, noisy fit. I can not make him stop.
When his tutor is around, he is so pleasant, good manners. But for mama, the evil wicked mama who reminds him to do his work, he is a noisy demon-child of fury.
He is supposed to read for 20 minutes, 10 minutes at a time. I do not tell him what to read---his tutor gives him books to read, he picks books at library, he can stop or change books if he wants too. He has lots of say so in his reading. Many days I have to tell him and scold before he will pick up the book, then scold again to make him open it.
He is a good reader for his level, he is progressing at steady pace. His tutor is very good with him, always knowing when to stretch to the next level and when to stay or even drop back a reading level.
Still, when he reads he complains about any and every thing---I don't like this book, this is too hard, too easy, too scary, too much, not enough pictures, too many pictures, I'm thirsty, my knee hurts, my neck has a pimple, my tummy is hot, my throat is dry, my eyes are changing colors, why did the writer use this word, why did the artist illustrate him jumping, the book says bounce, this book is not over yet, I want to read this page but not this book---a million excuses why he will not just read.
Other day he was very stubborn and I told him he could read for his 15 minutes or go to his room until he was ready to do his reading and he wented to his room. Fine. But he cried and whined and pouted and yelled the whole time he was in there and I said many times you can come out if you do your reading and he stays in his room to cry for more than 1 hour, rather than read.
I am tired of his fits. There is nothing I do that calms him down. He is setting very bad example for his sister. His sister will be reading or looking at a book and he will tell her "No, books are stupid, don't read that. I'm not your friend if you read books." and is trying to turn her against wanting to read.
I do not know what to do to make him happier. I have let him pick the books, I have given him books to read, I have let him read to me, to Baba, to his sisters, to himself. This is not about his ability--he is able to do the work asked of him. This is about his attitude. He would never ever, ever in 100 years throw a fit with his father, but he is starting to throw fits with me almost every day. It is now to the point that I call my husband at lunch hour and let him read to his father on the phone, which he does easily and without complaint.
Is there anyway that I can make him not be unpleasant about reading at home with me?
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I hope that it is okay to post this here, has anyone used (or at least seen) all of the highschool levels of Saxon Math: Algebra 1, 2, Advanced Math and Calculus? If so, how did you find the sequence in hindsight? Do you feel that Saxon covered a broad enough range of applications and types of mathematics for your students? What would you supplement with if you had to do it again? Is there material from statistics, number theory and analysis in them? Are there enough application problems in the books so students learn what the math can be used to do in other fields?
I have not had a chance to look at the upper level books yet but a friend asked me about them for her children who are much older than mine. I told her that I would ask on here.
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I advise that you continue with Saxon 3, start at the beginning and speed up in the early lessons if you need to. We used Saxon Math 54 and it went very well, now we are doing Saxon Math 65 from the beginning and going very, very fast through it. We can always slow down when we need to.
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We are using and loving Saxon math here. In our house, we use Saxon Math 54 and up. So long as the child is receptive, Saxon Math is taught--just like the lower levels are meant to be, the parent-child connection through math keeps it fresh and moving at a good pace. There is no time to dawdle or be bored because we are always busy. Also, with teaching the lessons to my son, I work out the problems ahead of the child so that I can anticipate problems and keep an-up-to-date check where my son is at. In our home, Saxon Math is a wonderful and solid curriculum that my son enjoys a lot--he loves his math lessons and homework sessions most of the time.
His grades have gone up and up and up with Saxon Math. Papa and I are very pleased, son is very pleased. Math is something we do as a team, not him doing it and mama being dictator or remote controller from far away. I am with him when he studies, I answer questions immediately, we do tricky problems together. We review tricky topics quickly and never give them a chance to become trouble topics. Many days when we do math, my son smiles and cheers--not every day, but most days.
My son has done very well in Saxon Math 54 and is now using Math 65 (yay! We are so proud). We will start the younger kids in Math 54 this year probably but probably go slower for them then we did with our oldest.
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If your son isn't bored to death doing the lessons in the beginning of a new book, then I say go for it. It is good review and nice to have a rest sometimes before moving on to new stuff. I have one child that fights the beginning of the book, if she can pass the tests through lesson 30 or 40 we start there, usually when I see new teaching. It really depends on the child.
My daughter is using 5/4 in 1st grade. She will likely finish early next year. She also loves Life of Fred.
This is where our son is also. He is doing well in Saxon 54 and still likes it a lot. We want to continue to use Saxon as far as we can if he doesn't grow out of it first. He will probably finish 54 around New Year since we began in Summer and do 2-3 lessons a day. There are good reasons to start at page 1 and good reasons to test through. How is your young daughter doing Saxon 54? My son is not teaching himself with Saxon as his English is not good enough and he is "babish", not ready for independence. My wife and I teach him math each day and have him do his drills. We have the PDF and print the pages big for him to right in, when he is older, I want him to keep a math notebook though.
The big problem we have is what will we do with him when he is done with Saxon 65? Should we use Course 1-3? Those are big books and he is not big. Should we switch to older version of books (slimmer I think, less full.) We do not want to extend his days with work though and letting him to test might extend the day when he gets to more difficult material. Saxon 65 has a lot of fraction work in it, so we might let him start at page 1 and do Fractions with extra materials to help with the progression...
We are worried that Saxon Course 1, 2 and 3, will be like Algebra 4th Edition. Read here. I think that Course 1-3 is maybe like Algebra 4th edition. We have the PDFs, but maybe we should invest in the 3rd edition hardbacks for books after 65? Do you have any advice here?
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This is Mr. ElmerRex, please excuse my bad english.
I think that starting at the beginning is most benefitting. Mama thinks tests are okay or better than to start at the first lessen. We try to agree before we start these things. Our sons arithmetic is very good with Saxon and I think that doing those early lessens can only make it stay good and grow stronger. Are their online articles/targets/or links to read about continuing on in levels of Saxon that I can read to help me see where my idea and mamas idea are disgusted in clarity?
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This is Mr. ElmerRex, please excuse my bad english.
We are nearing the end of Saxon 54, maybe in New Years my son will finish. So I need to think a little about what we will do next so that Mama and I can agree for our sons next step.My son should finishing Math 54 around New Years and so far every thing is going very nice, we love it. We want to use Saxon 65 too, but mama says not to start at the beginning of 65 if he is having a strong finish in 54, but I know you are not to skip anything in Saxon. :huh:
So we have a question: Do you go from one book to the next or do you wait a bit? If you go into new level directly, do you start at the beginning?
He will probably finish Saxon 54 around New Years, mama says to be getting the tests for 65 is correct and getting the tests we are to be having my son do a test every day until he meets a question that he can't answer. Then start in these chapters of new concepts: Is that how others use Saxon 65 after Saxon 54?
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What is prealgebra supposed to be?
I can not figure this out.
There is a page here, but...how is this different from arithmetic or algebra? It makes no sense to me.
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Thank you for that link. Unfortunately, I see no mention of the 1st editions on that page. I will read through the website more. In the meantime, can anyone tell us about the 1st editions of Saxon math program? I'm just curious.
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I would like some general knowledge on the editions of Saxon curriculum. Specifically 1st, 2nd and 3rd editions if anyone knows the can someone please tell me what the difference on the editions are for Saxon Math 54 - Saxon 87?
I can not find the publication dates/years for the various editions.
I can not tell which edition has what features either.
Does anyone have sample pages from earlier editions?
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What are some good guidelines for knowing when to add to/expand academics?
We do not know if we should expand it in the Winter session or wait until summer. What do the experienced people think?
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We are looking for some good science books for our son? He is 6years, strong in math, still learning to read. We want something that is kits or projects more than reading. I'm not so creative, so even just a good book of ideas for Science related crafts and projects would be helpful.
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We use Saxon 54 and it is great. We are very satisfied and intend to continue in the books for as long as we can. We have Math 54, Math 65 and Course 1, Course 2 and Course 3. You can read this to know that in the newer editions of Saxon, Math 76 = Course 1, Math 87 = Course 2 and Algebra 1/2 = Course 3.
I hope to use Saxon straight on until Calculus with my son, but time will tell.
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OP, I apologize if my 1st comment wasn't helpful to you. I only meant it as a "I'm just wondering..." and I tried to explain my question so that it would not be offensive. Instead it came across to some as an attack.
It is great when you find what works for you.
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I do not understand, why can't he do extra/more handwriting each day? It is a subject that he likes....Why are you rationing it. He will not one day run out of things to write, will he?
Handwriting is literally a rote skill...The only point of a writing practice is you are training the muscles and hand/eye coordination it will take to write fluently and without thought. The sooner he has that coordination and muscle memory, the better, right?
Finishing the writing curriculum "early" isn't a problem either, you can just copy worthwhile passages using the handwriting skills. Write papers, math works, etc...
ETA: Posted too soon.
Do You Pause Between Books/Levels in Math?
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My son is working math levels above his age-grade and he is making good progress in math. Someone told me that we should stop and not let him get too far ahead because he will go to fast and hit the ceiling barrier and not be able to continue after some time. I am not inclined to agree with this because math is not a back-and-forth straight path. I want to keep going for as far as he can and then pause and do something else until he is able to continue some more.
What has been the experience of families with kids working far-ahead?
Do you pause between books to avoid kids getting ahead when they CAN go on, or do you pause when your kids are at a point where they can't go ahead and just need more time?