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We should seriously sit down for coffee sometime. That was my ds at 7yo. He was spelling SWR A-I, but not reading anything. And, the spelling didn't stick in his long-term memory b/c....well, he wasn't reinforcing it via reading.
To answer your OP, I think the act of writing is an aid to learning to read. Many kids need to FEEL a T and say /t/ to really know "T." I would not expect the child to write perfect copies at the earliest stage, and he may only be able to trace the letters, not write. But, kids should be learning letter formation along with letter sounds. They need to feel the words, not merely see them. But, the writing is not central yet...it's merely an aid to the act of learning to read.
Once kids are really reading, then it's time for reading to be an aid to writing. The roles reverse. Spelling is reinforced by reading. Grammar is reinforced via reading. Composition is first learned through reading.
That would be lovely :001_smile:
That is precisely where I'm getting hung up. My almost 7 year old writes excellent cursive. I like that. I don't want to mess that up. I also want my almost 5 year old to learn cursive first as he did. BUT, I'm noticing that OG programs use manuscript tracing. The big question for me is does it work to trace the letter in cursive (feel the "t" in cursive for example) while reading it in manuscript? Is it really necessary to trace it in manuscript? There was a time in history where children only learned cursive in elementary and still read fine. But was that true even for those with dyslexia, or did they miss out? Even manuscript doesn't look exactly like bookface, especially the "a" and "g". Dancing Bears seems to have solved that issue by having the child read in only their print. Eventually, of course, they would have to transition out of that. I suppose I could have my kids start out reading only cursive, such as blend phonics, Word Mastery or Alpha Phonics in cursive. I'm a little nervous about having my kids trace manuscript with their finger and then expecting them to write in cursive. Isn't tracing similar to writing in terms of muscle memory?
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My son spells better than he reads. His writing is excellent as well.
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sorry. duplicate. i keep doing that!
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Is this doable or totally nuts? Seems to me that if children can learn two languages, they could learn to styles of writing concurrently. I think I remember reading once that bilingual children take a little longer to learn language but catch up. Would it be the same for writing if a child was taught manuscript and cursive at the same time? I'm thinking of D'Nealian print and D'Nealian cursive.
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Is this doable or totally nuts? Seems to me that if children can learn two languages, they could learn to styles of writing concurrently. I think I remember reading once that bilingual children take a little longer to learn language but catch up. Would it be the same for writing if a child was taught manuscript and cursive at the same time? I'm thinking of D'Nealian print and D'Nealian cursive.
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Thank everyone. Very insightful thoughts.
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Rod and Staff readers are Bible stories. They also put out the Little Jewel readers. There are a lot of quality Christian vintage readers online.
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My son loves the free I See Sam readers online for fluency.
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I agree. I would even combine lessons with your daughter if possible, unless you think that would cause jealousy.
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In general, do you think the statement in the title accurate? I am speaking of phonetic reading, not sight word memorization. Do you think it slows children down to not read until they can write the letters?
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We have been very impressed with Right Start but i have had to tweak some things to fit my teaching style. We have also enjoyed Singapore and c-rods with the included Mathematics Made Meaningful cards.
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hope this helps someone. I believe it's a spalding idea originally. modify it any way you wish. the precursive font is BJU's font, downloaded for free. just don't sell it :)
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I am no super fan of LOE, but I have used it. I certainly would not recommend it for every student. As teachers, we are in control. We can slow the curriculum down, teach the material incrementally, adjust to our students, or buy new stuff. It is not like there is a team of curriculum commandos sitting outside your house waiting to kick your windows out and shoot you should you decide to pop in a Leap Frog video. This thread is so weird.
I am speaking more about SWR - not LOE. If you have never been involved in their program, their message boards, their books, you won't understand. There is a lot of very adamant stuff told to parents. To inexperienced parents, it sounds scary. The message is that you will screw your kids entire academic future up if you teach letter names first, etc. I didn't want to name names of curricula, but I kind of feel I had to now.
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I am no super fan of LOE, but I have used it. I certainly would not recommend it for every student. As teachers, we are in control. We can slow the curriculum down, teach the material incrementally, adjust to our students, or buy new stuff. It is not like there is a team of curriculum commandos sitting outside your house waiting to kick your windows out and shoot you should you decide to pop in a Leap Frog video. This thread is so weird.
I am speaking more about SWR than LOE. If you have never been involved in their program, their message boards, their books, you won't understand. There is a lot of very adamant stuff told to parents. To inexperienced parents, it sounds scary. The message is that you will screw your kids entire academic future up if you teach letter names first, etc.
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So basically, you started teaching your oldest child to read when he was a late 3 yo and are troubled that the reading program you chose was ineffecttive. Did it ever occur to you that he was not developmentally ready to read? I cannot imagine how that is ANY reading program's fault.
I am no super fan of LOE, but I have used it. I certainly would not recommend it for every student. As teachers, we are in control. We can slow the curriculum down, teach the material incrementally, adjust to our students, or buy new stuff. It is not like there is a team of curriculum commandos sitting outside your house waiting to kick your windows out and shoot you should you decide to pop in a Leap Frog video. This thread is so weird.
No, no. All we were doing were games with flashcards - bingo, that sort of thing. I have been overly laid back in fact.
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bump. anyone how to upload documents on here? I think my worksheet might help someone.
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For some children, whether or not you use the program as designed, they are going to struggle more with vertical phonics than with a more incremental approach. Just IMO.
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I only use them for fluency We do plenty of real phonics work too.
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I have some worksheets I purchased. We never used them and I want to resell them. Is that what's prohibited or are they prohibiting mass sale or something else?
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We own the Logic of English games.
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I would check Abeka, bju, maybe LOE essentials, abecedarian, rod and staff
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This is something I put together for my kids. It's far from perfect. But I can't figure out how to upload it. It's a word doc.
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Ellie, did you see my Spalding question on the other post :001_smile: ?
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My son has benefited from seeing words in groups, which is what I mean by patterns. Blend phonics is organized that way. Eventually, I think it will be good for him to mix it all up, but right now it seems he needs one thing at a time.
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Learning manuscript and cursive at the same time?
in K-8 Curriculum Board
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Several good points.