I am new and don't know if this will be helpful, but I would like to offer a specific curriculum suggestion that I think may address three things you mentioned. You are looking for something your children can begin in around 5th grade, you want a more relaxed start in the early grades to not be a hindrance, and you want then to learn Latin (I think you mentioned the Latin bit). I am going to recommend you consider The Latin Road to English Grammar and The Bridge to the Latin Road. My dd is too young for this program so I can't speak as an expert but I have found myself looking closely at this curriculum for my own needs. The Bridge is meant for students who may not have had a strong phonetic reading/spelling background or may not have come from an intense grammar background. It seams to be a way to cover in one year with an older student what younger students may have done over several years (They do have a program for younger kids but I doesn't sound like what you are looking for). After The Bridge you start the Latin Road program. I think you mentioned that you are Catholic, so I will say the the program uses the ecclesiastical pronunciation which may be a great tie in if you can go to Latin Mass. I hope this is helpful. If it is not, don't worry; My world won't come crashing down. :001_smile: