Thank you again, ondreeuh! Your information and suggestions have been quite helpful!

Ondreeuh, thank you so very much for sharing and posting this Holt/Thinkwell course info here. That is incredibly helpful informaiton! Our daughter is finishing up Singapore Math 6B, and Thinkwell will most likely be our next step. We'll take the placements tests on Thinkwell's website to determine her placement. Do you think it would work well to do Thinkwell online, and then use the One Stop Planners you mentioned to print off extra problems when/if needed? Would the One Stop Planners correspond well to the way the lessons are arranged in the Thinkwell program? Also, are there answer keys and worked out problems on the One Stop Planners? I truly appreciate your advice!

Thank you, MarkT, for writing with the links and info. I have found the 2011 student editions, but I'm not having luck finding the 2011 teacher editions. Jann in TX and JanetC, thank you both very much for all the advice and sharing your experiences with me. Are the Holt Geometry textbooks you've used the 2007 editions? Do you know how these Holt texts, authored by Dr. Burger, compare to the 2011 editions? What has been added or changed? I'd like to verify that the Dr. Burger video lesson codes are in both editions. Thanks for the heads up on the texts being busy and for the tips on how the texts are set up with problem sets, homework, quizzes, etc. I'll look into the One Stop Planners for students (thanks for letting me know they're easier to find) in case we find our DD needs more problems than the texts provide. I truly appreciate your help!

Thanks to reading past posts and suggestions on this board, we are now considering using three Holt textbooks written by Dr. Burger for algebra 1, geometry, and algebra 2. Among other things, we love the idea that there are codes in these textbooks that give access to free videos by Dr. Burger that correspond to the textbook lessons. (If I understand correctly, these are the same video lessons that are available to those using the Thinkwell program.) We had considered Thinkwell and have heard many rave reviews about Dr. Burger's lectures. We have seen, however, lots of users who have criticized Thinkwell's problem sets and lack of review. I'm thinking that using the Holt textbooks, along with Dr. Burger's corresponding video lessons, might make for a great combination. I'd love to hear any feedback from others who have used any of these textbooks (Holt algebra, geometry, and algebra 2) in conjunction with the video lessons. Also, there are two editions of these Holt textbooks, written by Dr. Burger - 2007 and 2011. I have found all three 2007 textbooks, both the student and teacher editions for each, but I'm not having any luck at all finding the 2011 editions. I have seen a sample of the 2011 textbooks, and they look appealing and it's clear how and where the video lesson codes work. But I haven't found where to actually order these 2011 editions. Any suggestions? Does anyone know the main differences between the 2007 and 2011 editions? I would love to verify that the 2007 editions of algebra, geometry, and algebra 2 do indeed contain the video lesson codes. Are most lessons covered by a Dr. Burger video lesson? Thank you so much in advance for any information and insight you guys can provide!

Thank you to those who have responded so far with advice and shared your experiences with using Art of Problem Solving. It is very helpful to us as we look ahead. I can imagine it's hard to truly plan out an AoPS progression, as it can work differently for different types of learners with different types of goals, time constraints, etc. I really appreciate you taking the time to write and share what has worked for you and your kiddos. Do you all think the Counting and Probability, and Number Theory courses are essential to getting the most out of this curriculum? I would love to include them in some capacity if time allowed. I can imagine those courses would only help to strengthen one's math and problem solving abilities, plus they do seem fun! :-) Thanks for the tip too regarding allowing more than one year for Intro to Algebra. I see that the online course for Geometry is shorter in duration, so theoretically that first high school year could maybe be spent on completing intro to Algebra, and beginning and finishing Geometry??? We'll see how it goes. Thanks so much!

I have some questions and am looking for insight on scheduling and sequencing of Art of Problem Solving math. Our daughter will complete Singapore Math 6B (US edition) in her 6th grade year, and then we are seriously considering moving on to the Art of Problem Solving curriculum. Here is our current plan, although this could change depending on our daughter's pace through the next couple of years. I'm just trying to create a general roadmap. I would love any feedback from others who have or are using Art of Problem Solving. Here's our general plan - probably pretty typical: 7th grade - AoPS Prealgebra 8th grade - AoPS Intro to Algebra 9th grade - AoPS Intro to Geometry 10th grade - AoPS Intermediate Algebra 11th grade - AoPS Precalculus 12th grade - AoPS Calculus What about the "extras?" We could also add AoPS Intro to Counting and Probability between Intro to Algebra I and Geometry. I've heard that it works well completing Intro to Counting about halfway through Intro to Algebra, after finishing quadratic equations, and then picking up Intro to Algebra again until the end. Any experience or advice on this? Also, we're also wondering when and where we could fit in the Intro to Number Theory (after Geometry?), and the Intermediate Counting and Probability course (after Intermediate Algebra)? How is it possible to fit it all in in 6 years? Are the extras like Counting & Probability, and Number Theory essential? How long does it typically take students to finish each textbook/course? I've read that the online courses fly, and I'm not sure if we'd do those or work through the textbooks on our own. I would love any backup available though, as I'm not overly confident in teaching higher level math by any stretch. With all our daughter has on her plate, I don't see how we could do more than 1 - 1 1/2 hours of math a day. We do school year-round with breaks for holidays. Thank you so much in advance for any insight and advice you may have!

Thank you for that honest review of Thinkwell, quark. I was afraid of that - the lack of building problem solving skills with the short videos and practice worksheets. We've read nothing but great things about the instructor, however. Maybe we'll take your same route - using it as supplement. I wonder how Chalkdust compares? Any other opinions on Thinkwell and/or Chalkdust? Thank you!

Thanks for this explanation. When I was in high school, we had a completely separate trig. class that was taken after algebra II. From there, it was pre-calculus and then calculus. Thanks, too, for sharing your daughters' math experiences. All this feedback is quite helpful!

I feel this way exactly, Lucy the Valiant. Honestly, at this point, I'm not even comfortable solo-teaching Algebra 2. I would certainly have to relearn everything I have forgotten years ago, and I don't want to let our daughter down. She's a bright one, and I don't want to hold her back. That's one reason Thinkwell online courses are appealing to me.

Thank you for your responses! Yes, Jousting Armadillos is another option for intro to algebra. Thanks for mentioning that, JMcElrath. I need to look further into it. Lucy the Valiant, thanks for sharing your experience with 6A and 6B. Thanks for giving us a look into those next levels. I think review can be quite helpful (along with the more challenging, multi-step problems like you mentioned) in boosting confidence and further concreting the student's understanding of the concepts. We'll be right behind you! I'd love to hear what you guys decide to do next year! Thanks, too, Luckymama, for sharing what you guys have covered and used so far. You've accomplished so much already. I know you must be very proud of your daughter. Is she self-teaching at this point? Dual enrollment is also an option for us in our state, beginning in 11th grade. Please keep the suggestions coming!

I am continuing to research the math options after Singapore 6B and would love to run my thoughts by you guys. We will most likely continue with Singapore 6A and 6B, and finish up in 6th grade. Our daughter has been happy with Singapore and wants to complete the program. I'm wondering this: are Singapore 6A and 6B considered pre-algebra??? If so, we could begin algebra in 7th grade. If not, we would move to pre-algebra in 7th grade and do algebra in 8th. Here is a very loose plan: 7th grade - pre-algebra (options include Lial's pre-algebra, Tablet, Dolciani, AoPS, Derek Owens, Thinkwell, Math in Focus, and even Saxon. Decisions, decisions . . . ) 8th grade - algebra (options same as above plus other options like Jacob's elementary algebra and Foersters with maybe some Singapore algebraic words problems as supplements) 9th grade - geometry 10th grade - algebra II 1th grade - trig. 12th grade - pre-calculus Any thoughts on this? Thank you so much for sharing your experiences.

Thank so much. The Singapore Math website says that they will no longer carry Discovering Mathematics after Dec. 31, 2014, due to trademark issues. So that will definitely be out for us anyway. However, according to their website, they will continue to carry New Elementary Math levels 1 and 2 (but not levels 3 and 4.) Has anyone used NEM? The Singapore Math's website describes New Elementary Math 1 as Introductory Algebra and Geometry, and New Elementary Math 2 as Intermediate Algebra and Geometry. If a student completed these two in 7th and 8th grades, where would they go from there? For example, how would this align with the Thinkwell courses, or AoPS courses? Crimson Wife, thanks for the suggestion for Math in Focus 1-3 and the book Forgotten Algebra for review. We'll definitely look into those at well. Lovelearnandlive, is your daughter taking her AoPS pre-algebra class with other students online, or is she working through the course on her own? That's great she's finding success with it after completing 5B. Do you plan to continue on with AoPS? Anyone use Thinkwell after Singapore? Please keep the suggestions and advice coming. Thanks again!

Hello all. Our daughter, who is a 5th grader, will finish Singapore Math 5B (US edition) by late spring, and we're thinking about our next steps. We're considering several options and would love to hear suggestions, experiences, and thoughts of others who've crossed this bridge before us. We've been quite happy with Singapore Math since 2A, and our daughter has done really well with it. We hope to transition into another math curriculum that works just as well for us. I should note that as our daughter progresses into higher level math, I will appreciate help with teaching as I am no math expert by any stretch. We have a very bright little girl, and I don't want to stifle or hold her back due to MY lack of math expertise and confidence. Our option one is to continue on with Singapore Math 6A and 6B for her 6th grade year. Then we would proceed from there with one of these options: Thinkwell 7th grade for 7th grade Thinkwell 8th grade for 8th grade Thinkwell 9th - 12th grades (where to begin in 9th I'm not sure - either Algebra I or Geometry) or Singapore's New Elementary Math 1 for 7th grade Singapore's New Elementary Math 2 for 8th grade Thinkwell from 9th - 12th grades (not sure which Thinkwell level to begin in 9th - either Algebra I or Geometry) or do Art of Problem Solving (not sure at all which level) Our option two would be to move on to Thinkwell starting in 6th grade. Any thoughts? We have read that a large portion of Singapore 6A and 6B is review. Has this been your experience? We've read it is light in covering negative numbers in particular. Any other gaps? We don't want to rush it by skipping over 6A and 6B, but we also don't want to waste a year with review if that's what it truly entails. Also, we wonder if Singapore 6A and 6B is considered pre-algebra? If so, would Thinkwell's grades 7 and 8 be overkill or too much review? I'm not sure which level we would start Thinkwell. The placement test would help of course, but we wonder what the overall consensus is on placing kids after completing Singapore - either after 5B or 6B. Could you move straight to Algebra I? Other options after completing Singapore (either 5B or 6B) are Foerster's Algebra, Jacobs Algebra, or AoPS Algebra. Any advice with these? The Thinkwell route looks promising to me because I do want to consider turning a portion of the math teaching over to an outside source eventually. Thank you so much if you've read this far. I don't mean to ramble, I'm just a little confused with all the options and my head is spinning with questions! :-) Thank you in advance for your help.