Michelle in MO
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My son did it when he was 14. I found it a very easy to use program. I had tried another logic program and was very confused, and almost gave up on doing logic. But I did Traditional Logic along with my son, and we both understood it!
We are now doing Traditional Logic II. It covers more, but is very interesting. It has famous quotes in it, and the student reads the quotes to determine the validity of the argument. It is fun, because you are learning how to use what you learned in book one.
Cedarmom
Cedarmom is right; TL II is more difficult (in my opinion) and requires writing, but one of the main points of the book is applying and implementing what you've learned in Book I (and Book II). I just wish I could personally attend Highlands Latin School and sit in on Martin Cothran's class!
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and both of my girls had used it. SWB recommends starting TLI in 9th grade, but I think that depends on the maturity level of your kids. Not that mine were so mature, but my older two were able to start it in 7th grade. However, TLII is more challenging, plus it involves some writing as well. My oldest did it in 8th grade, and my middle daughter is using it now (she's currently in 8th grade), but it's been a "start and stop" year with it because we've been doing some other things off and on. Somehow logic always gets bumped. However, I foresee no further interruptions this year (:D) and hope we can finish it off!
My recommendation is that you try to do TLI with your dc; they may be able to do all their exercises on their own, but you will at least understand the concepts if they get stuck. And, since TLII is more difficult, try to do that with them as well. My oldest did start having some difficulties with some of the concepts, so I had to start reading the chapters, at least. I try to keep up with their curriculum, but honestly, my youngest still requires a fair amount of my time, so I have to juggle things the best that I can (which is often very imperfectly!) Oh---I would also recommend the DVDs to go with TL I and TL II. They do help to solidify the concepts!
HTH!
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that I think I should order it, too! It would really be great to hear in-depth how they do Omnibus!
Thanks so much for posting this!
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would the Omnibus lectures be part of the courses? I went to a VP Teacher's Training Course several years ago in PA and really enjoyed it! I would love to listen to the Omnibus sessions.
Thanks for the info!
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and now I want one! It looks great! Very handy! In fact, if I'm not mistaken, isn't this the device that was invented by one of the teams on Donald Trump's "The Apprentice"? My husband used to watch that show (he said it showed him a lot about human nature!) Anyway, I vaguely remember one of the teams inventing that device and Staples liked it so well that they marketed it!
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This is only anecdotal, but the day I finally went into labor, I woke up, took a bath, and cried in the tub because the baby hadn't come yet! God must have looked on my misery and had mercy, because later that day I went into labor! :D
Praying your little one will come soon---safe and sound!
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(or may be a subtopic thereof) but perhaps something like, "What specific historical event and religious differences led to the split between Religion A and Religion B?" For instance, Luther split from the Catholic Church (although that was not his original intention); the Anabaptists split from Luther. The Anglican Church split from the Catholic Church, etc. This may be more of a subtopic of your first topic, but it's just a suggestion.
Sounds like an interesting paper!
Oh---one more idea, under the topic of "Cults"---what are similar characteristics of cults? What kind of people do they attract?
HTH!
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for me, it's not the rare school shootings that convince me to keep my kids out of school --it's the every day "minor" violence: daily taunting, bullying, negative peer pressure, social isolation, and actual fights and assaults that are so routine they don't even make the news. And as Pam mentioned -- that's in the "good" schools too.
Some kids can handle this stuff just fine. Others can't. None should HAVE to. If you enroll them, i would watch for the more subtle signs. Hopefully it will be a GREAT experience and negative stuff will be minimal. But if it got too bad I'd let them unschool at home before subjecting them to that. Academics is easy to catch up on. Social BS is a lot tougher to overcome.
Absolutely do not live your life in fear --but taking prudent steps to keep your kids physically AND emotionally safe is far from living in fear.
Good luck!
In fact, that's why we started homeschooling in the first place. My oldest was being bullied by her classmates in 3rd grade (a Christian school; although the teachers were fine, I would have to use that term loosely with the classmates). The experience deeply wounded her, and we decided to start homeschooling. She will start at our cc in the fall (perhaps a summer school course), but doesn't want to go to p.s. It would be hard to enroll her there anyway, at this point, what with transferring credits, etc.
We're looking more at what's the best thing for the family. We feel it would be wise for me to go back to school (I'd like to go myself, too!), but I'm not sure if I could handle grad. school and homeschooling. And, like I mentioned before, our homeschool group is down to about nil. Even though I keep my kids involved in other activities, the situation has left a general "pall" cast over them.
It is a sad world we live in where the school shootings are becoming so common it's just a "ticker tape" at the bottom of the news screen. :(
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I don't want to live our lives in fear, and there is still a good probability we'll enroll them next year. I guess it's this sudden rash of school shootings that's leaving me wondering.
Thank you, Pegasus, for the link to the report! I will certainly read it, and we'll be praying about what to do. There are serious problems with our schools out there and the safety of our children!
Thank you both.
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more practicing for the SAT/ACT essay. She did a Bravewriter course that was excellent, but she struggled mightily with the imposed time limits. That's the way writing has been all along for my girls---they want to write what they want to write, not what is assigned to them. SO---a similar problem to the struggle with topics your son is having! My dd would do the same thing---she could make excellent arguments against having to write the topic in the same time it would take her to tackle the beast and get it done!
When we're done with the tutorial, I'm going to give them a break for a week or so from writing and then have her start doing some more SAT/ACT practice, perhaps 1X per week.
Congrats on preparing your ds for the NLE! I hope he does well!
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My dh and I were going to enroll probably at least two out of our three girls next year. He had a defibrillator implanted in his heart in the fall (was diagnosed with an enlarged heart) and has made a good recovery. Still, we both felt it was time for me to take the GRE and head back to school myself and get a master's degree. We're trying to look at the "big picture" of what is best for the family. Our homeschooling options in our area (i.e., homeschool group, etc.) have become virtually nil. With these factors in mind, we are most likely sending our oldest at least part-time to the community college and our middle daughter to the high school. We're not sure about the youngest yet.
However, listening to the news tonight, apparently there have been four school shootings in the past two weeks! (I guess I hadn't been paying attention until today!) What is wrong with our society? I still have peace about the oldest taking a couple of classes at the cc, but it does make me wonder about the middle daughter at the high school. Believe me, if we had other options, I would do so----but we live in a small town and there are no private or Christian high schools here. None.
I know we need to pray and trust God for the right answer---whether it's to enroll them or continue homeschooling them---but this does have me wondering. These school shootings are becoming so common. It's very tragic.
Thoughts, anyone?
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Last week they worked really hard on their tutorial, the ideas were flowing, the fingers were typing, Mom was smiling! :) But, yes, today was purgatory with them! We sent off their assignments, but there was this very "unfinished" feeling about it all. I just wish I could get the writing tutor to move next door to us! Then all would be well! :D
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My girls are taking an online course now----it' excellent----no complaints there whatsoever! But, sometimes getting them to write is excruciatingly painful! The material is probably somewhat advanced for my 13-year-old, but even with my 15-year-old today, it took them forever to get their assignment done! I had to coach them, coax them, goad them, prod them, etc. etc. (you get the idea). I discussed the material with them, helped them find some references for the material, but would not do the writing for them!
Does it ever get better? Do our children's brains finally mature to where they can start writing more fluently? Where the thoughts finally start flowing through their brains, down their arms, and into their little fingers?
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For the purists, I guess that would be contaminating the food, though! I agree with Alana in Canada: let her make her own, germ-free dinner! :)
I have a friend who makes an entire batch of chocolate chip cookie dough, and eats almost all of it herself, but bakes a "complimentary" dozen for the family. :D
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camp there this summer. I'm not going to drop the idea entirely, but I am going to wait a few months and find out what they've done to beef up security.
Oddly enough, the latest Reader's Digest issue just came out with an article on campus safety. I need to read it!
I'll definitely be praying for those kids and families.
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first page done! I'd probably be a drop-out, too, since I think I'd rarely have time to say anything!
I understand!
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1. My oldest daughter, who really dislikes karate, was complimented today by the instructor for having a "good stance."
2. My youngest daughter's reading speed seems to be increasing; she's not been an extremely strong reader, and yet slowly but surely her comprehension and speed are picking up.
3. My older two girls did a very good job on their writing tutorial last week.
Thanks, Jane! This is so good, to learn to focus on the positive in our kids, especially at this time of year!
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I have a dear friend whose daughter is considered to be doing advanced work, and yet my daughter, who is the same age, is doing way more than the other girl. It's irritating, but I don't say anything. I figure that eventually real life will settle in and eventually the discrepancy will be figured out. And, I may find out I have some rude awakenings in some areas, too (although I hope not! :rolleyes:)
When I was in high school, the advanced math students took Algebra in 8th grade. I took it in 9th, although I was on a college-prep. track with everything else. My two girls have done Algebra in 8th grade and also Physical Science. Our high school has both options for Algebra (8th and 9th grades) but does Physical Science in 9th grade. If we enroll our middle daughter at the high school next year, I'm hoping they won't make her repeat either class and will allow her to have high school credit for these courses.
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I will. I have plenty of space in our basement, but I still feel so scattered! Plus, I have to get taxes ready, and I spent at least 3 hours last Sunday afternoon making new file folders for taxes for 2008 and organizing our medical receipts. Now, this next weekend I really have to get those taxes done!
I would love to see or hear what others have done! Please share, if you can!
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:eek: I feel like I'm drowning in papers! We do school in our basement (carpeted, well-lit, so it's nice, not gross and dirty), but I feel like the paper situation is taking over the house! I clean up the tables every day, and so do the kids, but the papers are still all over the place! My oldest two girls currently are working on three writing papers: one for grammar (research paper), one for Omnibus (Macbeth), and one for the writing tutorial. There are folders for each thing they're supposed to do. We have plenty of bookshelves, notebooks, etc.
Does anyone feel like sharing pictures of their schoolroom, or tips on how they get themselves organized? I'm drowning in paperwork!
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(not with my marriage, but with homeschooling!) I've felt closer to burnout this year than any other year, although we may be enrolling ours in school next year (definitely the oldest, at least part-time at the community college) for other reasons. Last year was actually more difficult, but this year has had its problems, due to my husband's health problems, which were diagnosed in the fall (he's OK now). We both feel it's time for me to go back to school and get a master's degree, and for a wide variety of reasons we feel that our options for homeschooling further are shrinking more and more. I wish we had a better educational situation, but we can't do that without moving!
For now, we're hanging in there this year. :eek:
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no parent ever wants to bury their child. We'll be praying for your loss. I have a cousin who really more like a sister to me growing up, so that is indeed a big loss, for your immediate family and for his. God bless you---so sorry you got this news on this day.
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Such a sad day for you and your family. Please, accept my hugs and prayers through cyberspace, and may God bless your family with great peace this day.
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Michelle, I'm in MO too. One of the things that bothers me is the number of people I know who have HSLDA memberships so they will have defense if the state ever finds out they don't log hours. This people have the impression that they do not need to follow the law if they have paid for there HSLDA insurance.
I also was annoyed at their anti-Missouri Virtual Instruction Program stance.
I do know some homeschoolers who are doing what I would consider a very "minimal" job and don't log hours, etc., according to Missouri homeschool law. I think that's an abuse of their supposed privileges with HSLDA, and if I remember correctly, I think that HSLDA requires that members follow the state homeschool laws. I think when you sign up with HSLDA you agree to follow your state homeschool laws. In those cases, if you get into trouble, I don't think HSLDA should be required to represent you.
I'm not familiar with the Virtual Instruction Program; we've always just kind of done our own selected curriculum.
My DH's travel nightmare
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but your dh's story reminds me a little of "Planes, Trains, and Automobiles" with Steve Martin and John Candy. The ultimate travel nightmare!
I'll pray that your dh gets a cell phone charger, a decent place to stay, the car, etc., and that all these rough edges get smoothed over.
Blessings!