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Well, I am not up for that much time for school. I would try to combine things. I can see where you might combine several different things.
Is the Daily Prompt a writing excercise? I wouldn't do that plus another writing program. Maybe you could do every other week? I'd do the same thing with Word Processing and typing. I'd also combine dictation with cursive writing. Is he still needing writing instruction? Maybe switching back and forth from copywork to dictation would work, or here again doing only one each week. I also would only do art or music each week and alternate.
Maybe your dc likes doing that much school, but mine would never finish all of that. I just thought I'd offer an alternative.
I like the general subjects though and the rest looks just right. I think you have it all covered and then some. I'm bad about over planning and then not getting it all done. Then, I want to throw in the towel altogether.
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Mine is very similar to KrissiK. I like to use leftover roast and mix some taco seasoning into it and rebrown it. Then put that, raw spinach, and guacomole in a tortilla. Yum!
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My plan right now is to do the regular way of history and lit. this year through 11th grade. That would take us through modern history. For 12th grade, I'm planning to do the history section and the drama section of WEM for history and lit. I'll call the history Foundations of Philosophy in Government.
I've been wondering if there is any reason I shouldn't do this. It sounds reasonable to me.
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When I read threads about R & S English, I find myself wishing there were a secular version of this. *pout*
Have you ever looked at the books? Yes, they have lots of Bible references, but couldn't you just see this as cultural awareness like I would do about Greek myths? Honestly, we laugh at a lot of the things in R&S. They are soooo wholesome it's kind of funny sometimes.
Of course, coming from a Christian background it's hard for me to see the forest for the trees, so I may be barking up the wrong tree. -- How's that for mixed methaphors?????:lol:
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Here's our R&S journey. My dd did R&S 3 in 3rd grade, 4 in 4th grade, in 5th grade I decided I was tired of it and we did Easy Grammar. In 6th grade I decided that wasn't cutting it, so we did R&S 5 in 6th grade. In 7th grade we did Put That in Writing which incorporated grammar instruction. My dd went to public school for 8th. She couldn't understand why they were stuck on review all year long. She said she learning nothing new the whole year. She made A's in the class.
This year we are doing R&S 7. So far, she says it's easy. We'll see!
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Except for the American History guides, Truthquest is written for 5th grade AND UP. So, yes, it is very much appropriate for high school.
I really like this as a resource, but make sure you understand what it is. It is a book list in chronological order with commentary interspersed to pull the books together. You will need to decide which books to read. You can't possibly read all of the recommended books. If your dc like to read, or you like read alouds, this is a great resource. It doesn't include things like mapwork, timeline work, tests, or activities -- although she lists some activity books and recipe books. There are some writing assignments, but no instruction. You will need to decide how long the paper will be and exactly what you expect.
HTH
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Well, I agree with your definition, but I don't think people normally classify diagramming as parsing. I do see your point though. With Harvey's, I think they just want you to orally tell about each word. For example in the sentence -- Cara is my favorite teacher. Cara is the subject noun, it is proper. "Is" is a linking verb in present tense, my is an adjective modifying teacher, ...
You can get even more particular in telling the person and some other stuff I can't remember.
There are different programs that tell you to parse and they have their own idea of what that means exactly, but I think Harvey's is the old fashioned oral telling.
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Well, I do a little different than all of these. I use a database instead of excel. I just seem to be able to do better this way. I plan by the week and by the day, then I create a report that puts each week on an individual sheet with the days across the top. I can sort things by subject, week, or general category like language arts. I've done this for about 4 years now and I love the way it works.
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I'll tell ya the truth, if you're not going to us their kits, I wouldn't go with NOEO. The reason I went with them is because I really liked the resources they used and I liked the fact that all of the materials were sold with it. There is very little instruction in the manual. It is basically a reading schedule. Most of the assignments say read XX page in XX book and do a notebook page for it. As for as activities, it will say, "choose an activity out of XX book and do it." The one we used was Chem. II and you didn't even use the kits until the end of the program and it would just say use activity XX from your kit. So, the answer is "NO" to whether they have instructions in the program itself.
At the time we used it, I liked it because I needed something pick up and go, but I wouldn't buy it again. I especially wouldn't use it if I didn't want the materials to go with it.
I was looking at Science Excursions and their materials list looks like a list of what's in my science box right now. I think I had almost every item, so I know what you're talking about. Wouldn't it be great if we had a curriculum that used up the leftover materials we already had on hand?? :lol:
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Sorry you haven't gotten an answer. I don't have the timeline creator, but I thought I'd bump you up so someone else might see your post.
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Papermate Classic are our favs. Not only do they not break, the eraser is awesome. No hard erasers that don't work.
We use a hand-crank sharpener that's screwed to the wall. I just sharpen about ten at a time and keep them in a cup on the school desk.
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I totally understand where you are. After trying a couple of different wall timelines, and a book timeline, and a scroll we finally settled on mini timelines. We study civilizations individually, but you could do the same thing with different time periods.
I bought this timeline through Rainbow http://rainbowresource.com/product/Blank+Timeline+Templates+%28Set+of+10%29/011940/1249099912-610811
It measures 8 1/2" X 22" with the fold on the top and comes 10 to a package. So, you get two notebook sized pages that are hinged at the top and you can hole punch it and put it in your notebook. It is blank but shaded except for tick marks across and one horizontal line down the middle.
Since there are twenty tick marks, you could make each one be worth 50 years and that would mean each timeline form would be 1000 years. When you finish that time period, just hang it on the wall and begin your next 1000 in your notebook. You could put different civilizations above and below the horizontal mark, or your could color code different civs.
You could hang these in a straight line, or one on top of the other, depending on where you have room.
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Woohoo! Feels good doesn't it!
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It is when you describe each word in the sentence and give its function.
Such as:
The dog ran fast
"The" is an article adjective that modifies dog. "Dog" is a common noun. It is singular. "Ran" is an action verb in past tense. "Fast" is an adverb that modifies ran.
I know there are systems that you can use for this, like Winston Grammar, where there is a specific order to what you do, but that is the basic idea.
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There's a key here, that I had apparently missed when my older kids were younger.
R & S has excellent writing instruction.
YOU need to add in writing practice.
See, I had read that R & S was good for writing too, so that's what I went on. . .for a couple of years, and my kids writing wasn't getting much better. I even asked a great number of people and they all said R & S was all you needed for writing.
Well, yes and no. It's all you need for instruction, but if you want your child to get better there needs to be a whole heck of a lot more practice than what is offered in these coursebooks. (This was not a fact that just jumped out at me, and I really wish people who knew this intuitively would have told me right away.)
As Melissa mentioned history and science are two perfect courses to put the writing instruction into practice.
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This was my exact experience. I wish someone had told me, because I just didn't get it.
My one other piece of advice is to get something on a much higher level for writing instruction for YOU. My learning in this area has been a journey, so it's hard for me to recommend one resource. PTIW helped me to see the big picture better than anything else, but I think it was because I was ready to learn it when we used that. I think lots of things I learned came together when we used that. Once I taught writing at a higher level, I began to understand all those little parts that R&S taught. It seemed disjointed at the time, but after learning more myself, it all came together.
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Well, sort of both I guess. It's main intent is to build fluency, so I guess you could start it when the dc has the sounds down and is beginning to combine them. It starts out with 3 letter words and goes all the to 3 syllable with advanced phonograms -- words like delicious.
I am going to use this with my 4th grader because I just got it, but I could see where it would have been beneficial all the way back at the beginning.
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Here's my .02. The TM is absolutely NOT necessary, but if that is all you are using, it is beneficial. The TM includes things like phonemic awareness excercises, sight words, segmenting games, etc. There is a lot there besides just explaining how to use the workbooks.
So, if you are using this as a stand alone program for teaching phonics, I would say the TM is very much worth the price. Also, one TM covers two levels of workbooks, so that cuts your cost in half.
I'd be glad to answer questions.
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Looks good to me. Is your dc reading well already? I love ETC books, but they were not enough alone for my dc. If the child needs more phonics, I'd add that. If they are already reading well, I'd look at AAS.
Now, you could beef up the ETC with the TM and flashcards for all the old spelling rules, but I just don't feel like there is enough review in ETC without some modification. I would also add phonogram flashcards until they are completely automatic. I think ETC actually has some of those, but I've never seen them. You may have been planning to do that all along.
JMHO
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For what it's worth, my dd 9th grade is going to do R&S 7 this year. We did 5th in 7th grade and then she went to public school for 8th. I'll admit that we are having to do writing more on her grade level, but the grammar portion is right on grade level IMHO.
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Well the program is doable without the workbooks, but they make it much easier. If you use the manual only, you end up skipping around and trying to figure out which lessons to do for which age, etc. If you have the workbook, you can follow it and it tells you when to do dictation from the TM. It's much easier to let the workbooks guide you.
That said, the workbooks are pretty plain, but get the job done. I just happen to have some samples that I re-typed for my dd. This is from book 3.
You may spell the sound /j/ either ge or dge.
Use dge at the end of a word or syllable directly after a single short vowel
Use ge after a consonant or after two vowels or a long vowel -- like page.
Fill in the blanks with either ge or dge.
ra__ ba___
a___ ca___
dre___ we___
ver___ ple___
gou___ gor___
ju___ do____
spon___ mer____
knowle___ cartri___
frin___ hu___
bar___ lar____
nu___ tru___
ga___ porri____
he___ le___
gru___ ur___
chan___ ri___
arran___ partri___
hin___ sta___
smu___ ran____
lo___ fu____
stran___ for____
The formatting didn't really work right. You'll have to imagine each of the words separated a little. The formatting in the workbook is only slightly better than my example.
I really liked HTTS. It is a thrifty version of AAS in my opinion. You just have to spend some time making out flashcards for the rules and such.
HTH
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Well, I'm only a year further down the road, but I have been doing a huge amount of research, so maybe I can help a little.
I'll just tell you my opinion about each resource.
Drawn Into the Heart -- not my fave, but I think it would accomplish what you want to accomplish. I would prefer LL 7 or 8 instead.
Figuratively Speaking -- I think that would be great and age appropriate. It would be a great prep for future great books. If you were to reduce the number of books suggested in the DITHOR or LL7 you could easily fit both of those into 8th grade.
Teaching the Classics -- This is more of a resource than a curriculum. You could have your dc watch it with you, but it is my understanding that it is primarily a resource for you to learn how to have a Socratic dialog with dc about certain books. I might think about getting this for you before you start 9th grade.
Windows to the World -- This would be perfect for this year I think, but it would only cover 1 semester. You could do a LL high school course for the other semester because they too only cover 1 semester. A Shakespeare might be good.
Now, all of the other resources are great, but they are all great books studies in my opinion. You could use all of those resources, or find the one that you like and stick with it. Each has pros and cons that are well documented here on this board. Nan's Words of Wisdom, or posts by Lori D. will give you a wealth of info on all of these resources.
To me, a better way to think about 10th, 11th, and 12th is to decide what genres you want to cover in what year. Then, you can decide which of the excellent resources would best help you cover that. You could decide to let your literature be linked to your history studies which would make me lean toward TWTM, Smarr, individual study guides, or thegreatbooks.com. You could also decide you wanted to follow a traditional literature cycle, where you do American Lit. one year and Brit Lit. another and then I'd look at Excellence in Literature, Smarr's traditional courses, LL, or individual study guides.
I hope I'm not over-simplifying things. You may already be well aware of the things I'm sharing here. But because each of the resources you listed in the last three years have enough material to cover all 4 years of H.S., I felt like some clarification might be necessary.
HTH
Edit: Sorry, LoriD. I was composing while you posted. I would always defer to you.
OP: I read in another post where you wanted something secular. I'd have to rethink Smarr and thegreatbooks.com. They are decidedly Christian with strong opinion.
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Before you go to a lot of trouble there, you ought to look at MFW Ancient History for High School. They use Notgrass and Smarr as there core resources. Then, it's already all laid out for you and the cost may not be that much different because they've got it bundled for you already.
Julie
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I wouldn't call Sonlight a CM method. I think they have similarities in that they are both literature based, but other than that I don't see a lot.
If you'd like to get a better idea of CM style of teaching, then go to amblesideonline.com and look at their FREE curriculum. There are also tons of articles on the site. The entire Charlotte Mason series is available there online. You'll also find several links to other online books.
I agree with what the others have said about CM though. Susan's article is very helpful.
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Try your search for PTIW instead, you should come up with lots of info.
We used this for 7th grade, but I think it could easily be used through 10th grade at least. We only got through 14 lessons. We went back and redid the same 14 lessons the second semester.
Although at the time, the program was a godsend, I don't think I'd be inclined to use it again. It taught ME a lot about how to teach writing, but the actual writing assignments were not very well thought out. For instance, one lesson was about lawn maintenance. It was not easy to change the subject matter because of the helps that were given. My dd doesn't know a thing about lawn maintenance and so it was hard for her to complete the assignment. Another one was on describing the family car. Again, my dd doesn't know the first thing about engines and what-not. I finally had to change the assignments to better suit our needs.
It would be a great self-education tool, but I'd find something else for the student.
Our weekly schedule - I'm feeling organized this year - LOL!
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I think it's great if it's working for you. I just wouldn't be able to get that amount of work out of my almost 10yo ds.
You definitely have everything covered and if he's enjoying and getting it all done, then I think you must be doing a great job.
Julie