Peplophoros
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Yikes! This has me scared. Maybe Memoria Press would be better for my kids. It seems much more incremental--although not as fun.
Don't be scared! LfC is an EXCELLENT program! Just use it after you something else for a while. I highly, HIGHLY recommend Getting Started with Latin (GSWL). My husband (a Latin teacher) agrees. :)
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LfC is fast-paced. It has you memorizing principle parts and noun endings really quickly--I'm glad my 4th grader (who is gifted in language) did something else first (Getting Started with Latin). My 3rd grader did SSL1, is doing Getting Started with Latin now, and then will move on to LfC in a year or so.
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I actually bought it for the pasteurizing milk function (for yogurt). Love it!
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I'm having a difficult time transitioning my 4th grader to cursive, but we've been using Pentime curriculum, which is helping a lot, because one day it's practicing a letter, the next day, cursive copywork.
We started him with HWT cursive (we also used it for print, which was fine) and it was a HUGE mistake. The writing couldn't look more ugly. I'd honestly prefer he print to HWT cursive.
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Would like to buy a set of 25 tips for when I have friends (kids) over to decorate. What size would be best for all-around decoration (outlining and details, not for filling in the whole cookie). Cookie would be around 4" tall, I'm guessing?
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Our co op doesn't say no to kids, even those with significant disabilities and medical issues. This works because we ask the parents to talk to the coordinator and all the teachers to figure out gameplans. Maybe our co op is just too small but it has worked brilliantly thus far. So that's the position I'm speaking from.
We don't say no, either. Kind of hard to make a gameplan when mom doesn't tell you there needs to be a gameplan.
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If he needed an epi pen, he would have one prescribed. Have you talked with mom?
It seems like you are moving forward with discriminating against him continuing a class half over, and are making medical decisions on their behalf.
Not all allergies are life threatening like you seem to be asserting. I don't think he would have been a candidate for oral immunotherapy if his had been.
Who said it was half over? We've had one class, at which his allergy came out (the kid announced it, mom did not) b/c the recipe to be made that day included peanut butter.
It was definitely a life threatening allergy, as mom has made very clear, before OIT.
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If he needed an epi pen, he would have one prescribed. Have you talked with mom?
It seems like you are moving forward with discriminating against him continuing a class half over, and are making medical decisions on their behalf.
Not all allergies are life threatening like you seem to be asserting. I don't think he would have been a candidate for oral immunotherapy if his had been.
I asked, and she didn't answer. More secrecy, more obfuscation. We're prepared to bend over backwards for this kid, and she's putting up more roadblocks. Right now I just don't trust her.
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If you think it's unfair for the teacher and the organization to have to make any kind of accommodations for this child, do you think they should be allowed to turn away children with any disabilities or medical issues that might require extra work?
Coming from a family with an encyclopedia's worth of medical issues, it makes me sad to see so many people immediately jump to excluding the child because it might be more work for the teacher. :( In my opinion, if you don't want to have to accommodate children with disabilities or medical issues, you shouldn't be teaching a class. I can see being worried about liability issues, but kicking the kid out so the teacher doesn't have to buy almond butter or something? Really?
Never said that. Not once. We never wanted to exclude. We have in the past and will again make any reasonable adjustment to cooking policies, nut policies, whatever.
But we kinda hafta know about a potentially life-threatening condition in order to make accommodations, agreed?
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I think the fact that his doctor and parents have his peanut exposure under control is being lost. I also now completely understand why the mom left the form blank.
You all read that he can be near peanuts, right?
You read that he can't eat more than 3 peanuts or have a potentially life-threatening reaction, right?
And that mom isn't in the room, and that no one has an epi pen around, and that he's only 7, and that the teacher better get her recipes right or the child could die, right?
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My post was actually only in response to yours. I wasn't mistaking other posts for yours. I just don't agree with you. If you're in the middle of the session, he's been safe and the plan they came up with has worked. I would accommodate for the rest of the session.
No, he wasn't safe. The very first recipe contained peanuts, which made him run angrily out of the room, much to the surprise and shock of our poor cooking teacher (who had no idea b/c mom lied on our registration form). No plan had been come up with other than "let's keep everyone in the dark until it becomes a real problem."
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I would have, wrongly apparently, assumed a home school co op class would be more welcoming. I'm starting to feel bad for the mom and think maybe she left off the allergy because this is what she faces if she includes it. She has found a therapy that is working for her child. She feels he understands his allergy and he is safe enough to do the class. The idea that it is just too hard to make a few allowances for him to be included seems harsh. It can be done. Just admit it's not something you want to do and move on. Please make it clear in the future that those with allergies will not be accommodated, though, instead of having them fill out a form that you will turn down anyway.
Whoa, there. Don't mistake others' comments for mine (the OP). Last year we banned ALL NUTS from the co-op (snacks, cooking class, everything) because we had a peanut allergy in the group. I and the co-op are more than willing to make all kinds of concessions to make sure our kids are welcome AND safe.
As one previous poster suggested, I have now instructed all cooking teachers to not include nuts in their recipes out of an abundance of caution for diagnosed allergies, which, as was pointed out to me, is a far greater risk than having a diagnosed allergy in the classroom. This is not about inconveniencing anyone--our teachers are more than willing to find recipes that do not include nuts (and substitutions are super easy to come by). This is no problem at all, and just basic human decency, in my opinion.
The problem is liability and the lack of regard for the teacher and co-op's potential liability. My problem is that the conversation was never brought up. Just because mom knows he's safe doesn't mean our co-op and our teacher is protected from all liability--we are not.
I don't care how mature the kids is, or how well the OIT works, you cannot convince me to disregard any discussion of liability when a 7 year old is left to manage a life-threatening allergy when the allergen is present and being eaten right in front of the child.
We are more than willing to make every accommodation so that this child can take cooking class next session--with mom there in the room with him (remember he's only 7, and with a no-peanut policy that we'll be happy to implement, but not mid-session. Not when mom willfully omitted any information about this whatsoever.
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I think this is a matter of opinion. One, we are not his doctor. Would his doctor want him to test out his peanut tolerance by participating in rolling peanut butter cookie dough into balls? I don't know, and as a teacher I would be unwilling to make such assumptions. Sometimes allergy treatments are three steps forward, four steps back. As an assistant in a current elementary cooking class, my position on this would be: no peanuts/peanut based products in class, or he has to leave and sit in mom's class on the weeks we use them. I would be truly uncomfortable to assume that because he has had desensitization he is totally safe to be around peanuts. I say this because I had an anaphlyactic reaction to an allergy shot. You just don't know and can't assume. Ever.
OP I would call your attorney, talk liabilities, and make mom fill out the form. Then I would make sure child is not in the class if the teacher uses peanuts. It is not worth assuming and getting sued later by the mom because something goes awry. Mom can assume on her own time, but it is not fair to put that burden on your volunteer teachers.
Yes, this exactly.
She instructed her son to come find her when they used peanuts in class. This could be every single class! But if we had known in advance, we could have done something about it. You can imagine what the teacher was thinking when the child announced his allergy as they were going over a recipe that contained peanut butter. If I had been the teacher, I would be livid.
I'm sure he is in fact very safe, but the fact that she completely disregarded our registration process, she disregarded the right of the teacher to know what kind of danger he was or was not in due to allergies, and she disregarded any kind of consideration for our legal liability should something go wrong is unacceptable. And I'm sorry, but can anyone really tell me that this is not STILL a serious allergy, even with desensitization?
This is a class about EATING. And the recipes contain peanuts. He is SEVEN. His mom is not around (but in the building). No one in the room knows how to identify or treat an allergic reaction. These are the facts. And they may not make mom scared, but they sure as hell do me, who am responsible for the co-op's financial and legal health.
I just can't justify the risk.
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Just some brief thoughts for now...it would not be difficult to accommodate this particular child, especially with the cross contamination risk eliminated by desensitization. My husband has taught cooking classes for 15 years and has never needed to use peanut or tree nut products to complete a lesson.
Whether or not there is a known food allergy in the class, it is important for anyone who works directly with kids and food to be aware of the signs of an allergic reaction, how to avoid cross contamination and what to do in an emergency.
I agree. It would not have been difficult to accommodate. No nuts in the recipes, mom stays in the room to help (and to alleviate any fears the teacher might have). Done.
After having it percolate a bit, my biggest beef is that she intentionally mislead the co-op by leaving the allergy disclosure section blank. She was trying to make life easier for herself and her child, but in the end made it much, much more difficult.
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. Maybe I'm overdoing it by not trusting a peanut-free cooking class? It would be a different thing if I knew the instructor had a peanut allergy, of course.
This exactly. I can't trust that our cooking teacher, who is not a trained professional, can keep him safe, period. What if she made a mistake? What if she's a total idiot or is just lazy (she's not, but still)?
The boy's mom tells me that he won't accidentally consume more than 3 peanuts, but how do I know that? How does she know that? How can I possibly expose our whole organization to legal liability based on what she "knows" won't happen?
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Yes, this was my reaction exactly.
I would have a very hard time with it because she did not truthfully disclose his allergy in the paperwork, which makes me very uncomfortable, and the child is only 7 years old.
I recently went through something similar, and we had to consult a lawyer. If your registration form is a legal document, please note that the parent broke the law (at least here in WA) by stating an "affirmative lie" - by leaving the allergy section blank, she lied by omission. He is still allergic to larger amounts of peanuts. Check your insurance coverage! Both for the co-op and for the teacher personally. Now she knows about the allergy, so she could be personally liable if anything goes wrong and she does not handle it correctly.
I do not think it is fair to the teacher for the family to place the burden of planning and responding for what could be a terrible allergic reaction on the teacher. The equivalence of 3 peanuts is not a lot. I appreciate that the child has had desensitization therapy - but the parent should have disclosed that, along with what symptoms to look for and how to respond if a reaction starts.
If the parent had filled out the forms thoroughly and had had a direct and transparent conversation with the teacher - I could go along with that. But the parent did not tell the teacher *anything* until the child disclosed.
And despite everything I wrote above - my heart is with the child. I want him to be safe.
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The mother is teaching a class while her son is in cooking class. Just learned that he is only 7 years old.
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Yes, we have an allergy disclosure section on the registration form. Shockingly, she intentionally left it blank (because, as she later explained, most people don't know about desensitization treatments...but in my book, if he can't have more than 3 peanuts, isn't that still a serious allergy?)
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So our co-op offers a cooking class (kids make and eat their creations), and on the first day a student tells the teacher he has a peanut allergy, which his mother didn't inform us of, despite there being a clear allergy notification section on registration.
The mom says that due to desensitization treatments he's received, he can now eat up to 3 peanuts a day with no reaction. In my opinion, this is still a serious food allergy and we cannot be held responsible for keeping the student safe.
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a) let him take the class and instruct all cooking teachers not to include peanuts in their recipes
b) say no, students with severe allergies cannot take cooking classes, since our teachers are not trained professionals, and there is no professional oversight of what goes on in the kitchen, so the co-op can't assume this risk.
Obviously I favor option b, but am interested in hearing what other co-op people and parents of students with allergies think. I think it was unreasonable for the mother to not tell us about a serious food allergy and then sign him up for a class where he eats (the boy is around 8 or 9 years). His mother thinks he's safe. Is that good enough?
Please, enlighten me!
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There is a second edition
Thank you! Found it.
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Did I miss something?
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I had one of those. It lasted a year. She's very sweet now :glare: Good luck :)
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I am using Getting Started with Latin this year with my 6th and 3rd graders. It's perfect.
It really IS perfect.
And my husband, who teaches A.P Latin, agrees.
My ds, who is now almost 10, reads Latin beautifully, and I mean BEAUTIFULLY with it. So awesome. When I'm feeling down about how little we are accomplishing in any given day, I remind myself that we finished GSWL.
Boom. Confidence boosted. :)
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Concerned about paganism and teaching young children mythology
in K-8 Curriculum Board
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I will just add that, in times before now, reading pagan authors and pagan mythology (Homer, Vergil, Horace, etc.) was an essential part of education. This was no less so for some of the greatest theologians in Christian history. You'd be hard-pressed to find any who weren't very familiar with pagan mythology.
The best of western literature has always included ancient mythology; Christian leaders, theologians, and clergy grew up on the stuff, why shouldn't our kids?