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I'm not sure whether or not OHF is popular with homeschoolers. It may simply be popular with Catholic Homeschoolers Who Aren't Familiar With the Well-Trained Mind Webforum.
Given the antipathy towards new media found among some Traditionalists, and the overlap between Traditionalists and Catholics Interested In Books Published By Neumann Press, we're probably a very tiny subset of a very tiny subset. ;)
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We've looked over Faith and Life, borrowed from some friends who raved about it. We weren't impressed. It seemed like a great deal of busy work that contributed little to helping children acquire either objective knowledge of the Faith or a solid understanding of how to live it.
The Teacher's Manual for F&L is a larger-format version of the Workbook with the answers filled in and lots of colorful sidebars filled with Suggested Activities. Most struck my wife and I as ideal for getting a classroom full of children to be quiet for a while, but ill-suited to the homeschooler. YMMV.
No direct experience with Our Holy Faith, but thinking seriously about it.
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We've thought about Our Holy Faith but are, at present, not using anything. I'm certainly interested if anyone has suggestions or experience.
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Thanks for your help! Like I said, I was planning on using this as a "fun" supplement, so that's fine with me.
Did you have any concerns with the story line? Especially for the pre-literate/pre-schooler age?
No. My kids think it is silly and we haven't found that any of it is problematic or leads to bad behavior. YMMV, of course.
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The Parent's Instructional Guide is what I had in mind, if memory serves. Also check the website for the company. There are some interactive games for kids as well as some more advice for parents.
But it's not intended as a formal grammar-translation program or even a full-on conversational fluency package like Rosetta Stone.
It gives children exposure and, when used correctly, they can acquire some simple phrases and grammar the same way they are learning their primary language.
Be sure you're not trying to turn Muzzy into something it isn't meant for: it's a gentle introduction for the pre-literate that can supplement early literacy in the target language. It is not intended as a replacement for formal instruction at an age-appropriate level.
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Have you read the parent/teacher instructions on how to use Muzzy? They are quite thorough and explain how to convert it into a formal study program.
That being said, we don't use it for formal study. We just put it on and allow the kids to marinate in a little Italian told through a wacky story.
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Not everyone has that kind of time, nor do they want to give their homes over to the dust bunnies as I have.
Then they should seriously reconsider whether or not homeschooling is the best course of action.
You cannot hand on what you do not possess.
Hiring tutors is one course of action. Putting children in an institutional school environment is another. Video and even online study can be effective as one component of a student's studies.
But neither method is an effective replacement for genuine interaction between the live student and a live teacher who is, ideally, a master of the subject matter.
If the parent is incapable or unwilling to do the work necessary to be able to educate their child, they need to rethink why they are homeschooling and whether it is the best solution of the options available.
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No clue. I don't have any experience with the series.
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Enjoy. I was just about to PM you to ask what you decided to do. Prayers for the success of this year.
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Thank you. *profound bow*
I'm only familiar with RC History by advertising and reputation, but I suspect it will offer you what you want and need without having to fact-check and second guess the editorial voice.
Remember that all history books involve interpretation. Choose the editor you trust most to distort least while telling the compelling story.
You might also want to consider, and this would involve a lot more work but might be more satisfying, using Warren Carroll's History of Christendom and pairing it with something radically different like Will & Ariel Durant's The Story of Civilization.
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The social group has minimal traffic these days. I'm not sure who else even checks it occasionally. Good luck finding an answer...I have no suggestions. I know there are better options out there, but the High School Board might provide you with better feedback more quickly.
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Amazing. Simply amazing. See, I hate lines of any kind: traffic, checkout, you name it.
I shop on the Internet as much as possible to avoid lines. I can't stand just standing around.
Voting drives me crazy for this reason. Waiting in doctor's offices, the same.
Waiting lists are even worse than physically standing in line.
And I can't fathom why anyone would want more and longer lines for anything.
One of the joys of living in Italy was that no one queued up for anything. Far more civilized, IMO.
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Anyone? Really? Does anyone here actually enjoy waiting in line? For anything? Check-out at the grocery store? Doctor's office? DMV or equivalent? Customs queue?
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It won't make any difference to me.
I don't look to actors for their philosophical or theological acumen, and I generally don't look to theologians or philosophers for their notes on blocking or acting.
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Slowly, but only because I've let my day job and sloth interfere with my studies. :D
The initial component is a very general, but very thorough, overview of the origin of what we'd acknowledge to be the Seven Liberal Arts along with Philosophy and Theology.
I would recommend the training for any of you who are curious as to what the CLAA is about in terms of origin, method, and goals.
It is not a program to mix with other programs. It is an complete, integrated approach to real education, as William Michael attempts to make clear in various essays he's written that are available on the website.
Our oldest is now enrolled and we are very happy with the results.
HTH
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I filled it out but I have serious doubts if we pass muster. LOL! I mean, how to prove I am really providing a culture to support liberal arts? I tried not beg,"I swear I'll do my best! Please let me in, pretty please?"
We shall see. At least I have the website for inspiration.
I wouldn't let that trouble you. If you take educating your children seriously (you obviously do) and you're working to move your family life to a culture supportive of the pursuit of Wisdom and Truth through Reason and Revelation (as all Christians should) you'll probably be fine.
It is my impression, as I work my way through the Praeceptor Training and watch my oldest work his way through the Catechism l course, that most of the questions are there to help the parents determine whether or not they're willing to work to support this.
Many people, as I'm sure you know, want to essentially "drop the kids off at the pool" and pick them up again in time for college admissions. I've found this attitude even among homeschoolers.
I can't speak for The CLAA or Mr. Michael, but from my own experience they understand the risk that the method of instruction (self-paced lessons distributed over the Internet) can present to the unwary parent.
Those of us who sign on must be willing to sign on completely and support our children in this completely. Tire kicking and half-@rsed attention will not produce the expected or desired results.
HTH
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I'm not sure that it is. If you've done LC2, move on to Henle if the student is ready. First Form will simply repeat material they have already covered.
I don't know how LC2 and the as-yet-unreleased Second Form Latin will fit together.
If you've done LC1 you can do either LC2 then Henle, or First Form and following leading up to Henle 2.
When complete, the four "Form" books will allow you to spread the material of Henle I out over 2-4 years so once the series is complete you can go from PL and LC1 to First, Second, Third, and Fourth Form. After which you would do Henle 2.
HTH
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By that criterion, Bill, I don't think you have anything to worry about.
Kreeft is confident enough in the logical coherence of the Catholic Faith that he doesn't attempt to sneak anything in "through a back door".
He started out a Calvinist, IIRC, and it was his pursuit of philosophy on the model of Socrates and his study of Aristotle that led him to Aquinas and submission to the Faith. That and surfing. :D
He, like many Catholics, doesn't think the Faith needs to be "promoted" because we all by nature desire the True, the Good, and the Beautiful. But this is getting way off topic.
Apologies for the threadjack. Bill, PM me if you want to continue this particular discussion.
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Dont LED's have lead, now that my second cup of coffee is working. I dont buy artificial trees w/lights because of lead.
No clue. I worked with LEDs professionally when I was in theatrical lighting. I liked the fact that they were very hard to break.
And their light output efficiency has improved significantly since then.
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You can see some samples and the table of contents here. (Don't buy it here, though, it's too pricey)
I think Amazon has the best price I've seen. That's who we bought our copy through.
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Well, apologetics by stealth would include things like what C.S. Lewis does in the Chronicles of Narnia where you don't mention subjects directly, but you don't need to be a rocket scientist to get the picture.
Lewis as stealth apologetics? If that's your example, then I can assure you that, no, you won't find "stealth apologetics" in Kreeft's logic text.
I wouldn't consider Lewis an apologist, though, so YMMV. He wrote some apologetic materials, but the tales set in Narnia are not among them. Christian allegory, sure, but not apologetics if that word has any meaning aside from "Christian content".
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Thanks, that's very helpful. Since we're not Catholic either, I'm not really looking for a text that uses a lot of Catholic theology as examples in logic exercises. I do need a non-sectarian book. Now if only I could get it from the library! (I checked the ILL catalog, and...well, I can't get there from here. Wonder if Sacramento has it?)
I don't recall any theology used as examples. I recall lots of excerpts from great literature, speeches, etc. throughout history that demonstrate either logical thought or logical fallacies.
But even if there are some theological assertions used for illustrative purposes, I don't see that as a bar to using a logic text. Should one reject a logical conclusion simply because one doesn't care for it? That is madness, not sanity.
I know it is available in the US through ILL, since it is in at least a few college libraries. No idea how you'd preview it in foreign countries.
His "Socrates Meets..." series is also excellent in this vein.
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Bill,
I really don't know what stealth apologetics is. Honestly. I've read lots of Kreeft's apologetical work and I don't recall any of it starting with "This is so because the Bah-bul tells me so." I don't recall it ending there, either.
I don't recall anything specifically apologetical in the Socratic Logic text. But, if you have doubts, check it out of the library before you buy it.
Now, his Handbook of Apologetics, that's clearly apologetics for all that it is rigorously logical. His excellent book Catholic Christianity is too, picking up where C.S. Lewis stopped in working from Mere Christianity to the fullness of the Faith found only in the Catholic Church.
If you want to understand pre-Cartesian logic, the investigative tool used from Socrates until the so-called Enlightenment and still necessary (although often debased) for textual analysis in the humanities, this is the place to go. He wrote it because there were no other treatments of the subject.
He won't cover mathematical or symbolic logic, so if that's your criteria, you'll be disappointed.
Check out his website. He puts many of his lectures on there for free, along with some of his articles. You can get a feel for his work that way, too.
Oh, and by-the-bye, the use of "you" here is not directed directly at Bill but at any reader trying to sort through the seeming wealth of options.
HTH
Now for a history question....
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I'm, again, of no help here. Sorry. :(