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I though I would mention this thread has convinced me to at least seriously consider teaching Latin, which I was not planning. Thanks for the thought-provoking reply, Ester Maria.
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I am planning on using this. I like what I have read. It seems like a wonderful introduction to Jesus and the Bible.
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You would be surprised, unfortunately. I would love to discuss this all with you and anyone else who wants to calmly join us. I will start a new thread in a little while. I have to put my dd down for a nap and get my ds, 10, doing something constructive. I look forward to listening to you.
Denise
Likewise :001_smile:. We're dealing with food poisoning and also just started first grade though, so I may be slow to respond.
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Dialectica - You're right! I completely missed that you were making the same point, more succintly though. :001_smile: I wasn't sure you were arguing for Marxism though. My thought was that you were just bringing out the irony. In my sleep deprived state, I went into free flow - always a dangerous thing to do.
Yes, if we are allowed, it would make a wonderful discussion. I do fear that people outside of this thread will become involved and may get tempermental. It's fun to go in-depth on these topics when you have people who want to just discuss and not get emotional. I learn so much from these types of conversations. How do we start the thread? Economic and political systems? Will that attract too much negative attention? What do you think?
Critterfixer -My oldest will be taking American Govt. & Politics and Economics this yr. He wants to study utopian ideas for literature, along with some of the books in Our Lady of Victory School's communism class. I'll add the book you mentioned to his list. Or I'll read it, at least. It should be interesting. I want him to get a good dose of all ideas.
Denise
I would think it is hard to find anyone who will still argue for Marxism. However, as someone with part of my heritage in a former communist state, I did make it through the Marxist-Leninist classics (my "classical education" :D) and also saw first-hand communism's effects on society.
Studying economic organization and societal systems is very important, I think, and something that should be tackled in much more than a passing way as part of a history curriculum. I am sure we can discuss THAT here, without bringing in politics :001_smile:.
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I just ordered the workbooks, text books, and home instructor's guide. With a bit of help from this forum. We got the US edition.
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The difference is that in a capitalist system with a democracy, these kind of abuses can and are stopped. Under marxist systems, they are not. China, the U.S.S.R. and North Korea are good examples of this difference. On the surface, Marx's idea of a communal society looks good. But, to have everything equal requires control which, historically has required force, which then necessitates dictatorship.
Marx does point out some of the flaws of a capitalist system. It's not perfect. There are externalities. However, his answer to it is worse. As capitalists, we can and often do make corrections in our system. Yes, they take time. No, things are not always fair. But, are they fair under the communist system? Ever? At least we can and do make corrections.
Neither system is alive in it's pure form. Human behavior factors in, for one thing. For me, I want to live under the system that allows for constant tweaking, correcting and input from the very people who live under it. That is what we have in the Western World. It's democracy, capitalism and yes, a bit of socialism (to one degree or another) mixed together. Not perfect, but works the best so far.
Denise
That is a fascinating discussion that would require a whole other thread. If you want, I'll be more than happy to bite. I think you didn't realize that my point is the same as yours, though :).
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Yes, I think that.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/2139401.stm
Ironically, this article's description of labor conditions is nearly identical to Marx's description of conditions during the industrial revolution.
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Children learn what they live.
If they learn to live with spelling errers, they will be poor spelers.
If they learn to live with math errers, they will think 1/2 x 1/2 = 1
If they learn to live with science errers, they will think correlation equals causality.
If they learn to live with ungood writing mistakes might be maden irregardless of the modality formatting presented thusly.
P.S. I spelled some words wrong on purposefully.
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This has been an immensely interesting thread. I haven't read TWTM, but I should certainly order it. I have some thoughts, and some questions, about all that was discussed in this thread so far.
I come from a working class background, and certainly did not receive a classical education. My family of origin has its problems, and investing in education and the future was one of them as I was growing up. On the other hand, my mother always had a fighting spirit and the attitude that almost anything is possible, if you put your mind to it.
I am proud to say that she was one of the first female construction workers in the country I grew up in. That is what she wanted to do, and though her brain was more than capable of doing many other things, this is what she chose. That attitude helped me in many ways. I, too accomplished the "impossible".
My public school education was mediocre, and I didn't finish it. But I was interested in politics and history, have an IQ of 145, and gave myself a "classical education" - though not in the sense that I think you are talking about here. I read classics, for sure. At 14, I devouring was works of major philosophers I never stopped learning. I also lived in many different countries, and soaked up the culture of all of them. My multicultural background, and my experiences in life and politics, coupled with intelligence and work ethics gives me, I think, a solid foundation to teach my own children.
My eldest just started first grade. My children are trilingual, not due to a push for classical education but because they are growing up in a new country, and I am bringing my own two mother tongues to the table.
I am not certain about teaching Latin, Greek and Hebrew. I don't speak those languages, but I do speak six others. Those who teach Latin and Greek, why do you think it is important? Don't you think there is value in not being Euro-centric as well? In the coming years, I am planning to teach the other languages I speak. Russian will enable my children to read Russian classics in their original language, for instance.
What will Latin add to my children's education, as opposed to languages that are in current use and not dead languages? Knowledge of current major languages will offer job opportunities and the ability to live in those countries. That is something very practical.
Note, this is a genuine question. I would love to hear thoughts on why Latin and/or other classical languages is important to you.
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My five year-old daughter is an obvious lefty, something that was apparent almost from birth. She never bumps into people at the dinner table, and has wonderful hand writing for a five year old. When writing on a blank sheet, her letters do slank backwards, but that is averted by using lined paper. She has no trouble using right-handed scissors either.
I hope you change your mind, there is plenty of research showing the negative effects of forcing lefties to write with their right hands.
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Besides the stuff already mentioned, lots of ink cartridges for your printer! We are reusing work books, so I copy every page. That way, work can also be repeated several times for the same kid if need be.
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;2804211']Here's a sample week of what I've made using tables in Word- days across the top' date=' subjects down the side. One per child, they keep them on a separate clipboard (not in a notebook- since they have multiple notebooks).
I like the flexibility of being in Word because I often need to tweak it. Works well for us![/quote']
I love this! Are you willing to share a blank copy Word file for others to use? I'd love to have it, it's simple, cute and effective.
Economic organization & societal systems
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Another topic worthy of study is post-communist transition. We are currently living in a country that had a very rough transition away from communism, including wars, economic crises (hyper inflation, for one), a lot of corruption, and an assassinated prime minister.
For many, the transition has been very hard. This has, in turn, led to many "nostalgia" groups forming, as well as many pro-western extremists. It has been 20 years now, and the effects of communism are felt in every state institution and in peoples' mentalities. Democracy is not quite there either, not just yet.