[taking an antibiotic and still sick?]

Honestly, with strep I wouldn't be comfortable doing this. Untreated strep can cause damage that's unseen and doesn't show up for years afterward. I don't think I'd be comfortable taking that chance (but then again, my experiences with natural/alternative/homeopathic therapies haven't been positive, so I'm biased).

 

I understand. My experiences with natural healing have been totally positive from the time we first learned about using garlic 8 years ago. Most of the time when my girls start to come down with something now they are fine the next day because we start treating immediately - usually with L-Lysine at bedtime and eucalyptus on the pillows.

 

To the OP:

 

My first choice would be GSE (along with using the garlic poultice), but since it tastes awful it might be hard for really small children to take.

 

Gargling with GSE and water will handle the most resistant sore throat conditions. The necessary dilution of GSE against Streptococcus faecalis is only 1:80,000, in vitro. In vivo, doctors are recommending gargling with 2 to 3 drops in 5 ounces of water. This gives an effective and potent dilution ratio of about 300 - 500 ppm. (For small children, mix one or two drops into any palatable heavy syrup, which will slow the product as it goes down the throat, and conceal the bitter taste, which kids don't like.)

Unlike many currently marketed products for sore throat pain, after gargling with GSE, it is completely healthful to swallow the solution.

 

From Earthclinic:

 

[YEA] 11/12/2010: Tj from Durham, Nc writes: "For several years in a row I would consistantly get strep once a year. The last time I felt it coming on, I gargled with GSE(15 drops in h20) and was cured the next day. I havent had strep for about 3 years now. But if it ever comes back, I know what to do. GSE should be in everyones cabinet. Ive had my bottle of nutribiotic GSE for over 2 years now and its only 2/3 gone. Its great stuff, but be prepared-it tastes awful."

 

[YEA] 10/30/2009: Celteyes from Pearland, Texas writes: "I use to get strep throat once every one to two years. It started when I was about 20.I always knew it because I had fever and my throat was so painful with these white yellowish pus pockets all over my tonsils. The doctor said I had a strawberry tongue which supposedly was a giveaway for strep.

 

 

The thing that cured me of that was grapefruit seed extract. That stuff tasted horrid. I put about 10 drops in a cupful of water and gargle until it is gone. Sometimes I gagged because it is so bitter but the pain will be gone in about 10 minutes and it won't progress further.

I only had one case where I had to gargle another cup a few hours after the first one Yuck! After that case, which was about 5 years ago, I haven't had another strep throat."

 

 

02/12/2009: Chip from Pompano Beach, Florida writes: "GSE (Grapefruit Seed Extract) for Strep Throat:

 

I absolutely love this site! One thing I haven't seen is the amazing and simple treatment for Strep Throat and several other issues. GSE (grapefruit seed extract) has kept me out of the doctors office for 13 years now. One bottle can last me at least a year or two and it only cost me $12.00. I work around germs and virus' every day (poker dealer)and use it as a preventative measure as well. Just 3-8 drops in water or juice once a day when others are getting sick, keeps everything I'm exposed to from rooting itself into my system. When I have had Strep Throat catch me off guard, I simply mega-dose by taking 13 drops in a small glass of water. Gargle and swallow. Yes, swallow. I do this 3 times a day and keep doing it even though the sore throat is gone within 12-24 hours and The white bumps within 24 -36 hours, for at least 7 days. Just like a script for antibiotics, keep going past the symptoms stage. GSE attacks germs and is even used as a dissinfectant for tooth brushes, countertops etc... It is said it is 50 times more potent than bleach against germs yet the whole bottle (hundreds of doses worth) is less toxic to the body than one baby Bayer aspirin. Google it yourself and see it does natures work like the hand of God. I read it is even effective against Anthrax?"

GSE can be mixed with honey or orange juice to mask the taste somewhat.

[taking an antibiotic and still sick?]

I've been treating all my kids sicknesses naturally for years. Some things I would look into for this are:

 

Garlic

GSE (grapefruit seed extract)

Apple cider vinegar

L-lysine (you can open the capsules and mix the powder with honey)

Eucalyptus essential oil (drops placed on a pillow to breath in at night - or mix with jojoba and rub on throat)

 

Cayenne is listed at the #1 cure for Strep on Earth Clinic but it might be pretty hard to get little to take it.

 

If you use garlic, make a poultice. Take a small section of paper towel, place a clove of garlic on it and smack it with the bottom of a glass to crush it. Fold it up like an envelope and soak it in hot water for a minute or two. Squeeze so it's not dripping. Place this on the chest, back, and soles of the feet for 30 to 60 seconds in each place. Do this 3 times a day.

[A question about unsaved people of the day]

I think you would if you believed it leads to life.

 

Medicine--hate it, tastes bad, gives me a headache, rather would live without it. BUT, it keeps me alive. I take it.

 

That kind of "offensive".

Is this really how you feel about being a believer in Christ? You hate it and would rather live without it if you could?

[Poll: The Death of Cursive]

All my girls are learning cursive, and I'm trying to re-learn it the proper way. Over the years mine had become an ugly hodge-podge of print and cursive. I've been practicing for a few months and it's getting better.

[Ds's mouth is FULL of canker sores!]

To get rid of the ones in his mouth almost instantly get some alum. You can get it in the spice section at the grocery store. Mix a little with water - about 1/4 tsp to 2oz water - and have him swish, then spit. His mouth will feel all dried up for a minute, but that goes away quickly and this dries up the sores super quick.

 

Also, we don't necessarily have to eat acidic foods to be overly acidic. Too much sugar and processed foods can caused this too.

 

A quick remedy that I use is drinking 1/2 tsp of baking soda mixed in 1/2 cup of water, at night before I go to bed. I always wake up feeling amazingly well. Normally I wake feeling sore and achy and like I've been hit by a truck. But when I drink baking soda I wake feeling awesome! I don't drink it every night though, because you can make yourself overly alkaline, and that would be bad as well.

 

Here is a wonderful website that has helped us so much, with a direct link to canker sore remedies:

http://www.earthclinic.com/CURES/canker_sores.html

 

Hope he's feeling better soon!

[Christians, I hope I don't offend you, but]

First of all, the Jewish idiom translated "day and night" was used to distinguish a "day" - meaning a continuous period including daylight and nighttime, but not necessarily a literal 24-hour day - from a "day" meaning a single period of daylight hours. Kind of like when I say we have three days of school this week, I don't mean we are going to have 72 continuous hours, but that we will meet for three daytime periods to do school. When Jesus invoked the idiom with his phrase "three days and three nights", he meant a continuous period lasting through daytime and nighttime.

 

And second, as was common custom, not just for Jews but for Romans during this time period, any part of a day wold be reckoned as a whole day.

 

This is fine for the "day" part, but not the "night" part. Is any part of the day also reckoned "night"? There is a Greek word for "day" and a Greek word for "night".

 

Personally, this is why I believe a Thursday crucifixion fits the Bible the best. It fits the 3 days and 3 nights. It fits John's account of what the others thought. And it fits the theme of Jesus being our Passover Lamb freeing us from death. I did shorten the study guide to save typing, but the gist is here.

 

To each our own. I definitely don't believe salvation rests on which day one believes the crucifixion happened on.

:iagree:

[Christians, I hope I don't offend you, but]

A Thursday crucifixion seems the most likely to me.

Jesus said he'd be in the heart of the earth for 3 days and 3 nights, but this couldn't have been a total 72 hours, because then it would have been the 4th day when he rose. The bible is clear that he rose on the actual 3rd day, which was the 1st day of the week.

[Anyone use Topsy Turvy planters?]

I have one that is a Tomato/Herb hanger and I'm growing 4 tomato plants, 2 marigolds, and a strawberry plant. One plant is a cherry tomato, the other 3 will produce medium sized fruit. I planted it in February and have several tomatoes. I'll post some pics later today.

 

I do have to water it about twice a day now, and fertilize regularly, but I realized that would be necessary when I bought it, so I knew what I was getting into. The bags generally are only good for one year. I personally love it and am having fun with it.

[What is your favorite moisturizer for your face?]

I use jojoba oil.

[Coconut oil?]

I use Nutiva as well and love it! I've tried other virgin CO's like Spectrum and Nature's Way and while Nature's Way was pretty good, Nutiva is better. I get it through Amazon as well.

 

I only use virgin for supplementing though. I can't stand swallowing oily stuff, so I chill it in the fridge in these little trays that Easter egg gum came in, then I swallow them while cold and hard like pills. My kids think they are treats and I keep finding my trays empty! But it's good for them. :)

 

Another way I take it is with Nutella on a ritz cracker. Oh my, yummy!

 

I use refined for some cooking or making bread. It's the LouAna brand from Walmart. I contacted the company to ask what chemicals are used in the refining process and they responded and said "none". They said all they use is heat and filters. I know bentonite clay is one filter used. So I feel safe cooking with refined coconut oil.

[If you're conservative,]

Originally Posted by Rene'

You believe it was Adam's sin his disobedience that resulted in the spiritual death of everyone though yes, "through one man (Adam) all die".... don't have my Bible in front of me, right? Yes!

 

The context of the verse that you are referring to is speaking of physical death and physical resurrection. Go back to the beginning of the chapter. Paul is speaking of how Christ physically rose from the dead and was seen of men. Then Paul says

 

1Co 15:12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead,

how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?

 

1Co 15:13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:

This is literal physical resurrection here, not a spiritual resurrection.

 

1Co 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

 

1Co 15:21 For since by man

(Adam)

came death, by man

(Jesus)

came also the resurrection of the dead.

 

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die

(physically, because we have no Tree of Life)

, even so in Christ shall all be made alive

(physically)

.

 

Pro 20:27 The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly.

 

I'm sorry, I can't figure out why you are so across the board here. Of course God breathed the breath of life after he was gathered from dust. I'm not denying that.

 

My point is that the "breath of life" that God breathed into man was man's spirit - and that spirit is seen alive and well throughout the bible, old testament, and new, pre-cross. If we were born spiritually dead, Jesus would have said that the spirit is dead so that you can't do right and you can't choose me. He said the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.

 

 

Man does not have a dead spirit. This does not mean he can't sin.

 

A dead spirit?

God said Adam would surely die the day he ate of the tree. It is assumed he died spiritually because Adam didn't actually die that day. If he died "spiritually", that would mean his spirit died, would it not?

[If you're conservative,]

I've been thinking about this since yesterday and here is where all that great cogitating has led me - I think peoples' *intentions* are basically good.

 

As far as spiritual death - Eph 2

 

1 As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh[a] and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath. 4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved.

 

Col 2

13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you[d] alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross.

 

 

These verses don't say anything about being born dead in sins.

[If you're conservative,]

I'm jumping to the end here without having read the five pages so forgive me if this was already addressed, but isn't the core teaching of the Christian faith the Christ took on human nature (became man)? If that is the case, how can it be human to be sinful by nature? It seems to me that to be sinful is to be sub-human.

 

The state of our nature, as we experience it, is messed up; but human nature itself can't be sinful if it has been assumed by the second Person of the Holy Trinity.

 

Have I confused the issue?

 

Makes total sense to me - I briefly brought up that point a few posts back - God created us perfectly but the fall (rebelling against him) corrupted our humanity. Therefore the phrase "I'm only human" really isn't correct. But I guess it wouldn't quite work to say "I'm not fully human." ;)

 

 

 

Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels;

but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

 

Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things

it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren

, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

 

Heb 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

 

 

It does not say Jesus took on the seed of Adam, the seed of a "perfect" human pre-fall. He took on the seed of Abraham, so that he could be made like us, and be tempted in all points like as we are.

 

Heb 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

 

Heb 4:15

For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

 

Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

It even says it plainly right here:

 

 

Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh,

God sending his own Son

in the likeness of sinful flesh

, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

 

Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Jesus came into this world in the same state that Adam was created in, and in the same state that all humans are born in. One of innocence, capable of both good and evil, sin and righteousness, with a spirit fully alive and functioning, but in a body of flesh.

 

Jesus said the spirit is willing but the flesh (not sin nature) is weak. Adam was created in a body of weak flesh. That is why he sinned. That is why we sin. God made Adam/us/Man this way on purpose. It was not Plan B and it wasn't an accident. The reason is because God can't create character in us. That has to come through experience and the choices we make.

 

The good news for believers is that not only did Jesus die for us, but we died with him, and are now dead. Dead to sin, but alive unto God. Jesus has delivered us from the body of this death - the flesh. The Christian somehow believes that the "sin nature" is alive and well, waring with us to prevent us from living righteous and holy. But Paul tells us that

 

Rom 6:6 Knowing this,

that our old man

is

crucified with him

, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

 

Rom 6:7

For he that is dead is freed from sin.

 

Rom 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

 

 

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

 

Rom 6:2 God forbid.

How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

 

[If you're conservative,]

Rene,

 

I do believe that sin does result in spiritual death. UNLESS a person accepts our Redeemer then that person will not have eternal life.

 

You believe it was Adam's sin that resulted in the spiritual death of everyone though, right? The bible says that God breathed into man the "breath" of life. That word "breath" is the same Hebrew used in this verse:

 

Pro 20:27 The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly.

 

Man does not have a dead spirit. This does not mean he can't sin.

 

 

At this point, we can chase each other down bunny trails and get off the topic at hand.

 

No need. Thank you for the discussion. :001_smile:

[If you're conservative,]

I believe sin is not merely a behavior. I believe it is something we are born into & it is a disposition in each man that has been passed down through Adam. I believe our communion with God was literally broken (between mankind & heaven) when Adam & Eve sinned. If man can *choose* (and succeed) to be good on his own, than I see no need for a Savior or the Holy Spirit. Or perhaps I am misunderstanding what you are saying, which is easy to do when typing a conversation.

 

We know that all have sinned. Not only because the Bible tells us this, but because we know ourselves and those around us. We know that we have not done right 100% of the time. The good that we do cannot cover the bad we have done. If a man cannot chose between good and evil, then God is unjust to send sinners to hell when they had no choice and were just doing what was natural to them.

[If you're conservative,]

What is it to be born again then? What is scripture talking about? Do you not believe it is a spiritual birth?

 

It is a spiritual birth but not because our spirit is dead. It's contrasting the flesh and the spirit. The earthy and the heavenly.

 

 

 

Joh 3:5 Jesus answered,

Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

 

Joh 3:6

That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

 

 

 

1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

 

1Co 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

 

1Co 15:49

And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

 

We were born of the flesh, we have borne the image of the earthy - Adam was created in flesh, and of the earth, earthy. We need to be born of the spirit so we can bear the image of the heavenly.

 

Also, it may not specifically say "Adam died spiritually that day". However, scripture does talk about spiritually dead people a lot.

 

Can you post some? I contend that the scriptures say nothing about anyone being spiritually dead.

 

 

What is the point of it, if people can't be spiritually dead?

 

I have no idea what you mean by this? What is the point of what?

[If you're conservative,]

Where did I use the word nature? I don't have time to look it up.

 

Perhaps you didn't. Most Christians equate spiritual death with man obtaining a sinful nature. I believe neither is supported by scripture.

[If you're conservative,]

Not so. In Genesis 3:22 it states:

 

And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil.

 

So man (including woman) has changed and become more like God (and perhaps more like a heavenly party, as the plural "us" is ambitious).

 

It is clear man's nature in the story has changed, and changed in the direction of being more like God, knowing right from wrong and good from evil.

 

Bill

 

I would disagree that their nature was what changed. But you are right, the knowledge of good and evil is a good thing, so in this regard man steps up a level, not down. They actually become *more* spiritually aware.

 

I would argue that this knowledge was limited to Adam and Eve alone and did not pass to "mankind". Babies are not born with this knowledge but come upon it through their experience, just like Adam and Eve.

[If you're conservative,]

I believe it was both.

 

Out of curiosity, why do you think we need a Savior if mankind is still spiritually well & in good standing with God?

 

Not snarky. Honestly interested.

 

Susan

 

Because we all have sinned - violated our own conscience, our own understanding of right and wrong - and fallen short of the glory of God.

 

Man does not need a dead spirit to be capable of sin. Can you show me scriptures that say man's spirit died when Adam sinned? It is assumed, but the Word never says it.

[If you're conservative,]

UP.TO.THE.MOMENT.the fruit was eaten Adam and Eve were perfect....made in the image of God WHO is perfect.

 

The bible never says Adam and Eve were perfect, God called them "very good". The bible calls Adam "earthy", and Jesus "Heavenly" - Adam was not created heavenly and fell to earthy, he was created earthy.

 

The kicker is this.....the "chose" to usurp God's authority. They "acted" God-like when they made a choice "separate" from God's command. He told them NOT to eat from the Tree of knowledge of good and evil. They "chose".

 

They chose with the nature that God created them with. They did not need a sinful nature to make a choice for disobedience. The bible says nothing about man's nature changing.

 

Simply, they "chose" to disobey and at that moment sin entered the world. He became "dead" after he made and fulfilled that lust.

 

Adam's death was not spiritual, but physical. He was removed from the tree of life.

[If you're conservative,]

But man was created as one with God. After the fall there was a spiritual death, right? That is what allows sin into our life, the lack of spiritual life. We are alive in Christ - obviously not physical life, but spiritual.

 

There was no spiritual death. A search in the old testament will show that man's spirit is alive and functioning. Jesus said the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak - this was before the cross.

 

Christians say that man's spirit died at the fall, so that babies are born spiritually dead and with a fallen, sinful nature and that is why humans sin. So why then, after we come to Christ, and supposedly now have an alive spirit, do we still sin?

 

Why/how did Adam sin, if he did not have this dead spirit/sinful nature?

[If you're conservative,]

Man's nature did not change at the "fall". We have the same nature now that Adam had when God created him. After all, he sinned in his created "it is very good" state, did he not?

[Elizabeth's Phonics Lessons + Blend Phonics ???]

Elizabeth, I have a question concerning Lesson 9. A Spelling Rule says that if long A is in the middle of a word it's spelled "ai" and at the end it's spelled "ay" - the first spelling word you gave in the lesson was "fame". Two of my daughter's spelled it "faim".

 

The next word was "rail" - so, because they got "fame" wrong, they spelled this word "rale".

 

Is there any rule that says when to use "a_e" and when to use "ai" or is it more by sight and just knowing the word?

[ds15 had a LOADED gun pointed at him today]

Whether loaded or not, one should never point a gun at someone unless there is intent to shoot.

 

This story is so very sad, but is an excellent example of how "playing with guns" and being irresponsible with them can be devastating.

 

Lincoln newlywed kills his wife while playing a game.

 

Being irresponsible with guns.

It is clear that this tragedy was unintentional. To experienced gun handlers, the photographs of abhorrent gun handling speak for themselves. This family, the entire family, did not have a clue as to how little they knew. They were dangerous and had no appreciation for the lethal weapons in their hands.

[Question about the Math Mammoth Blue Series]

Here is the order she suggests them to be studied in. I'm doing them one at a time in this order. :001_smile:

Okay, thanks! Are you using the Blue series to catch up or supplement with the intention of going to the Light Blue series?