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Ditto to what was said above. If we are doing a history read-aloud, my girls love to cut out paper dolls or color in coloring books related to the time period...Dover has lots of good ones. History Pockets are another good resource.
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OPGTR and Wrtr are not entirely incompatible...you could continue reading and start spelling using the Spalding method simultaneously. For my DD, OPGTR was not working, but if it ain't broke, don't fix it :)
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Give yourself and your children a lot of grace. It is a learning experience for everyone. And remember it is not "school at home," so don't try to re-create what the public or Christian/private schools are doing. And while it's wonderful to get advice and help from others, don't COMPARE yourself or your kids to others!
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I've tried several different ones...are they too large perhaps? I can see them on my user control panel, but not when I post something.
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Pinnocchio
Tales of Beatrix Potter
My Father's Dragon
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ME ME ME
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Right Start!
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Reading John Taylor Gatto's Weapons of Mass Instruction this week. Some of it is just over the top, and he keep saying the same things over and over (was it a series of articles that he put together into a book?), but beyond that, I agree with his basic premise: public education steals productivity and creativity from our children (and by extension, our nation). I was a public high school English teacher for 5 years before I stayed home with my kiddos. I saw, first hand, how school appears to make kids more dependent and immature while saying it does the opposite.
So I am wondering how to make our homeschooling experience more about developing the personhood of my daughters and less about finishing the book. Thoughts?
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You know I am making quizzes/worksheets for both volume 1 and 2, rigght? They really help pinpoint weaknesses and focus the learning (IMHO)
Are you willing to share these? Because I know I do not have the time or energy to figure something out. I've looked at BSFU, and I want to cry. I just need more hand holding. :)
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Agreed--once mama feels better, baby sleep so much or rides along in the sling, so it's not so bad. I would make a TON of freezer meals and give yourself a realistic amount of time off. Work on training kids to do things for themselves (from getting dressed in the morning to making sandwiches, etc.)
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The Essentials curriculum from LOE was specifically developed for kids ages 8 through adults who are either starting out or are in need of remediation. I know that the tiles are a big part of AAS, and everyone loves them, but one of the tenets of the O/G method (and the Spalding off-shoots like Phonics Road and LOE) is using *writing* (the kinesthetic action)-- along with hearing and saying the sounds of the phonograms--in order to cement the words in the students' heads.
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Moneybags--when your kids are learning to count money
The Scrambled States of America--increases knowledge of the states; I play on a team with my 4-year-old, and the 6-year-old challenges us :)
The math games from RightStart :)
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That looks so neat! Can you update us with the things you plan to do?
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The current Essentials curriculum is geared towards students ages 8 up through adulthood (if remediation is needed). It includes spelling along with vocabulary and grammar. It is a Spalding spin-off like AAS, so I think there would be overlap. If you are already using and enjoying AAS, I think LOE would be overkill--and overly expensive-- to add to what you are doing. The author, Denise Eides, plans to develop grade-level curriculum, from what I understand, but that will take awhile.
I am reading her book, Unlocking the Logic of English, from my Kindle ($8). There is also a You tube video on her website that is basically her sharing the information from the first few chapters in her book. It does look very logical, but at this point, I think it would be best used for first or second grade maybe or if a student needs remediation.
Take all of this with a grain of salt as I have never worked with curriculum...just doing my own research as I try to decide for myself. :)
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I look at Sonlight and TOG lists and watch the for sale board :)
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Sorry, Jessie Wise, but OPGTR and FLL...yawn. We struggled through half of OPGTR...i wanted it to work because it was so simple. But it bored us to tears.
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MEP is a different kind of math. Don't be afraid to go down in grade level with it. Make sure you are doing the lesson plans too. The mental math activities are fruitful!
I have see-sawed back and forth with MEP for a long while. I use it mainly for a systematic and challenging review of concepts previously learned. Both my 9yo and 7yo are atleast a grade level down in MEP from where they are learning new concepts.
:iagree: I started my first grader at the beginning because each lesson builds so systematically on the last. I use it as a supplement, and I don't feel the least bit guilty for picking and choosing the problems I want her to do!
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Well, it is comforting to know that I am not alone. :001_smile: I NEVER thought I'd say this but I might go back to PR with my daughter. She is at the ideal stage for it. It flopped here before mainly because I was trying to wade through all of that material to bring my son up to speed. Grrrrrrr. It was so expensive and I bought and sold it more than once.
Believe it or not my husband is not opposed to going back to it. But, Logic of English is appealing to me. I'm reading her book right now and it makes perfect sense to me. Why wouldn't the Essentials program work? It is scripted and it looks like it is VERY organized with a lot of support in the text.
Why do you think LOE would confuse your daughter?
Hi abrightmom,
I've been following this thread (and the other LOE thread) off and on all day on my phone, and it is hard to type and think at the same time, so I am just now getting to this answer. Probably doesn't apply to the discussion anymore, but I wanted to answer :)
As I mentioned, I think LOE would be just different enough from PR to confuse my DD (emphasis on *my* because she is easily frustrated!). "English has 5 reasons for the silent final 'e,'" according to Mrs. Beers. Denise cites 9 reasons. AND I completely agree with the 9 reasons, but how do I incorporate those additional 4 reasons in PR? (I'm reading Unlocking the Logic of English...can't remember if I've mentioned that is this thread or the other one...anyway....)
I do plan to add the additional phonograms that Denise talks about in her book (such as "augh"), but I don't want to rock the boat too much. And, as Hunter has mentioned in the other LOE thread (I think--sorry! I'm getting the two confused!) I don't know where to go next if we do LOE. Does LOE "replace" PR 1? Or maybe PR 2 because it also has grammar and vocabulary? But then we would be missing out on the literature study. And I'm sure there are new rule tunes introduced in PR 2, so I feel like by choosing LOE, I ALSO have to purchase PR 2...and in that case, why don't I just take what I see in Unlocking the Logic of English, add it to PR 1, and move on to PR 2? Just put my big girl pants on and watch those darn videos :)
I wanted so much for PR to be the be-all, end-all program, but I think I will still end up making it my own and adding to it. We are doing Easy Grammar right now because the English teacher in me just can't stay away from it, no matter how many Charlotte Mason books I've read :) We are also doing WWE1 because I love how SWB develops narrations and writing skills in that series. And I don't think there is enough reading to get my DD up to speed (she loves being read to, but is not so crazy about reading)--is one page a day REALLY sufficient to get her ready to read Little House in the Big Woods next year? At some point, all those things may not be necessary, but I feel like we (ok, I) need a little more than PR 1 offers. I wanted it to be THE ONE program we used, but it's just not possible for me to keep from tweaking!
So here is my rambling rant about PR, how it isn't the "perfect fit," but I believe LOE would just confuse matters more. Or perhaps I am confused. I'm sure this post is... :)
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How many spelling words are covered in LOE? What grade level do those spelling words go up to? What is the suggestion for what to do next? I don't remember the exact answers to these questions, but do remember finding those answers to be entirely unacceptable to ME, and I'm assuming many others.
This is what is preventing me from jumping ship (the Phonics Road ship, that is) :)
My DD does not need remediation and knows the Spalding phonograms. I've read Unlocking the Logic of English, and I LOVE it, but if we switched to it I think I would be...what now. I commend Denise Eide's work, and I know you have to start somewhere, but her program probably won't work for me until my baby is ready for school. And even then, she may get older faster than the program can be written :)
But if it works for your kids, OP, certainly go for it! The idea of it looks fantastic to me and extremely tempting...
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A powerful method has not been made inaccessible. You only need one manual, which is not an enormous guide. Really. The edition of the manual you have will work just fine.
You buy the spelling notebook, phonogram cards, and Spelling Assessment Manual from Spalding Education International.:)
Yes, the spelling is accessible. Is the grammar, vocabulary, and literature out of reach? In my opinion, with only the 5th edition, it is. And that's why I keep reading and educating myself so that PR will work for me. I want ALL the goodness Spalding has to offer!
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Hunter,
In a nutshell, what does each edition contain that I need to implement WRTR?
6th has the glorious handwriting instruction. I've gleaned that but somehow missed the specifics in the 4th and 5th.
I strongly desire to use this approach with my kids but darn it if the manual WrTR doesnt completely overwhelm me. I end up in tears with it. I want the Spalding method but I find the manual to be so dang complicated! I feel so stupid that I cant just grab the phonogram cards and after reading thru the manual a couple times (which I did; 5th ed.) start teaching. There is a disconnect for me. :(
We just dropped The Reading Lesson :glare: and I've had Phonics Road pangs again. I start getting twitchy at the thought of watching the DVDs but as I am reading and studying right now (LOE, WRtR, AAS) those Rule Tunes start playing in my head.
Logic of English looks good to me because it is scripted and clear. I think that the WRtR manual is ridiculous. If the method is superior than why have so many editions of the manual and have to buy each one to piece together a way to use a simple, highly effective method? Grrrrrr. Why can't it be as simple as Ellie says it is?:confused:
I want structure, phonograms, rules, and penmanship and a sequence to follow. How do I get that from those WRtR manuals without so much stress?
THIS is EXACTLY how I feel! After we started PR 1, I found WRTR, 5th edition. Reading it really helped me understand "why" Mrs. Beers seemed so...anal (ahem) about things she was teaching. The thing that is a missing piece in PR is the why! Mrs. Beers explains in detail HOW to do it, but I wished I had understood the why so that I would have been more of a stickler about the letter formation and use of the phonogram sounds for spelling. I have also been reading Understanding the Logic of English, and lightbulbs have been coming on with that too. But I think I keep coming back to PR because WRTR is NOT clear to me, and I think LOE curriculum would be different enough to confuse my DD and make her frustrated, just as she is finding her stride with (first-grade level) spelling.
I've read all the threads about why the DVDs in PR...but I wish there was just a manual!!!
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Another vote for Phonics Road. II highly recommend it. Before you buy it, educate yourself on the theory behind the program by reading The Writing Road to Reading by Ramona Spalding and Understanding the Logic of English by Denise Eide. I'm reading these now, halfway through PR 1, and it has helped me be a better teacher :)
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I haven't used a single thing you listed, but I thought I would give you a bump and let you know it looks like you have everything covered :)
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I view CC as a supplement to what we are doing. We studied American history this year and will do ancients this year, but those were decisions made independent of what is going on in CC. I waited to start ancients until my middle DD could join a long a bit, and I plan to take 2 years to cover ancients because I'll be mixing in Bible history with SOTW.
CC DOES go too fast to keep up with it as a spine for history study, in my opinion. Sometimes our work co-incides with what we are doing in CC, but again, I consider it to be a supplement. It helps train our brain with memory work, we get more science and fine arts than I have the energy to do with littles right now, I have made invaluable friendships, and I am encouraged to provide a rigorous education for my children.
I think CC pushes me to read more myself and read more to my kids (a la Circe), because I realize there are so many things I don't know! I am reading Leigh Bortin's The Core, and it is helping me examine how I am spending my time educating my kids...I don't want everything to be kill and drill...I want to make them life-long learners!
The cost...I know! Ouch! I will have two DDs in next year!
Need supplement to RightStart for review& retention
in K-8 Curriculum Board
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MM is Math Mammouth. Many people use MM or Singapore to supplement RS. I've used Singapore, and since both SM and RS are considered Asian math, they are not completely incompatible. I've only used the first grade level of each, however. :001_smile: