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Can he say the sounds correctly? If so, ask him to repeat the word before he spells it. Try the technique Oh E mentioned of putting his hand on his lower jaw to feel the difference. If it's still not coming, ask the speech therapist for help. But his ability to repeat the word correctly would be an important first step to spelling it right.. He is in speech therapy and it is a known issue. Since he can't say it apparently when he says it to himself in his head he says it the way he would say it out loud and that is where the disconnect it.
He can recognize the difference in words when he reads it but once he hears it verbally and tries to decode it his brain will only say the -ang sound because he's used to hearing himself say -ing words as -ang. So I guess we'll just move on and in dictation when those words come up I will enunciate as best I can and remind him of the issue and help him until he's able to say the correct sounds himself.
Thank you all for the input.
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Thank you! "You want to be in a constant state of mild discomfort, struggling to barely achieve whatever it is you are trying to do..." That struck home.
I also appreciated the point to "do things the hard way. " As I've worked to remediate handwriting for one of my children with learning struggles, we've turned to doing some simple things the old fashioned way. I wonder if some of the conveniences of modern life has made life harder for some children.
I'm sorry about your mother.
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Sorta. My DH wasn't supportive of homeschooling through high school, but ds#3 had wanted to homeschool high school. Eighth grade year with him was tough and I was thoroughly on board with his going to high school. We found a private high school that seemed like a perfect fit except it was over 30 minutes away. Well, within a few months of sending him there, I wanted to homeschool him again. I still do.
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I would agree with that. However, virtually everything we do is teacher intense, so at least for me, a teacher intensive program that works is better than a similarly teacher intensive program that doesn't, lol. I don't think there is anyway to get around teacher intensive for teaching my dyslexic boys to read and write. It is either me putting in the time and effort or a tutor doing the same.
True. I think I was disappointed because I wasn't the fantastic writing teacher for dyslexics like the one writing the book. It's exhausting trying to teach writing, especially when spelling mistakes displayed in his writing discourage me. That may be what gets to me most--seeing those spelling mistakes in his writing after we've worked so very, very hard on spelling. But setting spelling aside, his writing progressed the year we used those Landmark materials, and his writing continues to progress, (even though it's nowhere near where I'd like it to be.) Writing is one of those areas that's been hard, hard, HARD to remediate. He's reading above grade level now and he generally writes in complete sentences and can even write paragraphs, but as he grows, my expectations for his writing continue to grow.
Thank you for mentioning tutors. I have never given any thought to a writing tutor. It would likely be expensive, just as schools for dyslexic students like the Landmark School are very expensive. We are just about to wrap up another writing program---and I'd planned to revisit what we learned throughout writing his other coursework. Now I'm inspired to pull out those teaching manuals from Landmark once again, (which I recently ran into while looking on my bookshelves.) I'm going to see what those outstanding writing teachers for dyslexics have to say at this stage of my son's progress. If I think of it in terms of how much money we're saving on private school for dyslexia and private tutors, I feel better about attempting it myself
Some days I still wonder if my son's struggles due to his dyslexia are really because I'm not a good enough teacher. Mommy guilt go away!
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A teacher friend shared that same article on Facebook. It did make me stop and think.
But "privacy" is also really frustrating to me as a parent who has a child with mild special needs in high school. I filled out all this paperwork explaining his situation, only to find out at the first teacher conference last year his teachers didn't know anything about it. :glare: So I told them and the teachers made a few simple changes and things improved. I thought it was odd they didn't know, but it worked out. Then again this year at the teacher conferences--same thing! One teacher mentioned that the school didn't share all that with teachers due to "privacy concerns"!!!! Really? Do they think I filled out all that information on those papers just to have it sit in some file cabinet?
We don't have to know everything about everybody else's business, but sometimes people should know at least a little bit about what's going on with a child. It's not always in the child's best interest to keep everything "private". Even when it comes to "THAT child" it could be helpful if the parties affected by the outburst knew a little more. It may just serve to evoke some sympathy such as what this teacher did in writing the composite of reasons why.
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We used scaffolded materials from Landmark for a while. I have some vague recollection of watching something about it, but I don't know if it was the webinar you referred to. I bought the Landmark teaching manuals. As I recall, this scaffolded approach was rather teacher intense in terms of preparation. Maybe "intense" is too strong a word, but it's certainly not "open and go."
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My ds uses a slanted desk.
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She's a family member. ... It was a general conversation about lots of things that happened 8 years ago and she asked me why I was choosing to homeschool. I apologized for offending her. She hasn't let it go and this recent time spent together showed that she still hasn't let it go, even though she didn't speak this to my face, but to someone else. I don't talk about education around her nor post things on FB because of our past. She refused to go to lunch one and one. I know I may be the only one wanting to reconcile, but I'm ready to put it to rest and hopefully convince her that my choices are not a judgement on her. I have many other friends/family that public school and we don't have this problem. If she shared good statistics about public education, I'd say that's great! Still not my choice for other reasons, but I'm not going to walk away offended or feeling attacked. That's my choice to feel that way.
The best things to give her are space and more time.
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(((hugs)))
Have you considered the possibility that these struggles may involve learning disabilities? After having felt pride, joy and success in my homeschooling my older children, I encountered dyslexia--and feelings of failure and discouragement.
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Also try to practice the "one in, one out" theory of aquiring goods. Instead of thinking "Where am I going to put this?" think "What would I need to get rid of if I bought this?"
That philosophy keeps the "stuff" to a manageable level. Usually we buy stuff because we like the way it looks, but if you bring it home and it clutters up the place, then you don't really like how it looks in your house. Take it back. Or throw out, sell or give something away to make room for it.
Don't easily let go of items that are functional. Postpone replacing items until it's really neccesary.
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Instead of "My daughter needs more winter clothes" be more specific. "My daughter needs a warm sweater, a pair of pants and 2 pair of wooly socks". (Or whatever specific items she needs.) "More" could lead you to buy too much yet still not have what you need.
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The original post noted her son had ASD. Autism can affect a person's reactions to medications and waht appears to be a "normal" dose may be too much. My bil had an uncharacteristically violent outrage shortly after starting meds. He's still on meds now, (lots of them, in fact) but they adjusted his dosages.
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LOL! Thanks for the link to our new uniform. And I noticed they had a number of denim skirt options too. I'm partial to the Chambray Denim Long Skirt.
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I don't have time for much but wanted to put in that I love that silent e at the end gets pushed off. It helps to get dyslexics reading left to right. (Silent e means eyes have to move to the end then back.) It also helped my ds with vowel confusion to work on short vowels longer, (then long vowels through open syllables before silent e. )
Many high frequency words are phonetically regular. Barton addresses those through optional fluency drills. Others are truly sight words, which Barton addresses gradually over time.
Out of time--gotta go!
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She is already 14 but she has missed so much in the way of exposure to more complex vocabulary, concepts, grammar, etc. since she is not yet reading truly at grade level for normal reading and is definitely not anywhere near reading at grade level for science or history. And she missed years of building up really good content knowledge even with me reading to her as much as possible. ...The little basic critical first building pieces that were missing before are now there and we are slowly shoring those areas back up. And we have started to do this with History. We just need to add in content knowledge in science and other areas using the same type of plan, I guess.
First off, I want to say I would generally not recommend on-line science classes if she's struggling with science, at least not if it is a full year course at or near her grade level. It could be really hard to keep up with the class, and to do that for a full year could ruin her for enjoying science in the future. If you want outside classes, I suggest you look for something hands-on and local.
Secondly, learning a subject--any subject--is largely about know the vocabulary. Without knowing the meaning of the words, it's like trying to read or listen to someone speaking a foreign language. Develop a plan to introduce her to the vocabulary words. Hands-on exploration is one of the best ways to do that--especially with science! Don't let words just go in one ear and out the other--make her touch something! Get her hands dirty!
Now, these may seem somewhat baby-ish, but I really like the "Let's Read and Find Out Science Books". I use them with my children in the primary grades, but I've even learned things from some of those books--and I took loads of science classes in college. If you both need to go back and fill in knowledge of science vocabulary from earlier grades, get some of books for younger children and try some of the simple experiments they have in the back.
Mostly teach her to look at and explore what's going on in the world around her. Watch balls roll. Play on swing sets and teeter totters. Observe nature. Plant a garden. Notice the differences between one type of leaf and another. Ask, "Why?" That's what scientists do--and then they give names to the things they observe and make educated guesses based on patterns they've observed then test those guesses and form theories.
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I'm of the opinion that the colors outside the house (predominately green grass, white snow, or rocky terrain?) affects how much color and what types of color one should chose for inside the home. It's not just what you see inside the room or rooms if they open to each other---it's also what's seen through the windows.
At this time of year, with colors changing and Thanksgiving approaching, burnt orange in the formal dining room sounds lovely. I'd feel different about them in spring or summer.
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Me too. We were taught to dot or cross letters after writing the whole word, not after writing an individual letter.
I dot "i's" after handwriting each word, so with that method when writing a full signature that would involve stopping between first and middle or last name if spelled Lira. I think there's a better flow to handwriting "Lyra Lastname" than "Lira Lastname."
Everyone on the thread was so focused on phonics, when both spellings could be pronounced the same. I threw in the aesthetics aspects of the choices onto the thread. Dots or loops? I feel loops flow better and look a bit more sophisticated than dots, but dots seem to me a bit more playful and fun.
:D
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I voted "Lyra". Setting phonic and old Italian money aside-- it looks beautiful to see handwrite a name with a looped capital L followed by a looped lower case y. Spelled the other way, she'd have to stop her signature for a dot and it simply wouldn't have the same flow.
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It's not cheap, but Estee Lauder makes a product called "Idealist" to minimize pours. I love the way it makes my skin feel! (They often have gifts with purchase--I rarely buy any EL without it.)
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I couldn't open the article so I don't know what it said.
My oldest is in the military. I don't know about him, but I appreciate the appreciation people give to the military. I'm proud of him for his willingness to serve, but when he pledged to serve, he was potentially giving away the life of my first born child. He has missed some major family events (weddings, funerals, most holidays, etc.) because he was stationed too far away to attend. This will be the first Thanksgiving he's been home in four years.
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New question: if my goal is to bring her skills up enough to do Barton, what LiPS materials do I need? Do I need the whole kit? What pieces were the most needed or helpful?
I started with a used LiPS manual off the internet. LMB has since then updated the manual. I haven't seen the newer one. After I looked it over the old manual, I ordered several things from Gander, including a LIPS training video on vowels as vowels were a big area of concern. Besides reading the manual, that was the only training I had. I also got their felts for the vowel circle, some pictures of lips and a few other things. The pictures of lips are definitely needed, but many of the materials (such as the felts) can be created or pulled together at home by someone who is inclined to do that sort of thing. With the newer manual they developed an electronic file for printing off to work with. They offer a variety of materials, many of which basically repeat the other materials, which offers greater variety but is not needed.
If you plan to switch over to Barton, you do not need the full kit. LiPS has some scripting, but not nearly as much as Barton, so I was relieved to move onto Barton with its script as soon as my son was ready.
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I did realize that dyslexia effects math skills as well, but I don't understand why?!...
Hello and welcome!
To address the point you brought up about math and dyslexia, it depends on the child. But, many of the same underlying issues like memory and trouble identifying symbols can take place with math. You might look at your son's work for dyslexic style mistakes as your correct his work, such as backwards number or digits inverted. Or he might do the wrong operations, such as adding where he should subtract or multiple. Or he might write a number upside down--which turns 6 into 9. And on a bad day, several of those things could be going on at once. It makes correcting his math work more of a puzzle if you look for what he knows hidden within what he doesn't know. Some of the ideas for teaching a dyslexic math are similar to teaching reading. Reinforce right to left writing with number in math (and as it improves with reading it may improve with math and vice versa.) Use multisensory ideas to connect the proper symbol to the numbers and signs. If memory is a problem with learning math facts, work on memory tricks to help with that, such as if he can't remember how to add 9 to a number, then instead add 10 and subtract 1. Teach to his strengths and remediate the weaknesses.
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I've been looking at the kit, that may be the best option. I would love to sign her up to work with the center director - she was great. That would be worth the $115 an hour. I was not impressed with the rest of the staff. I saw exactly what you described above. They're paid $15 an hour - they're advertising on craigslist. It crossed my mind to apply and go to the 2 week training and then quit! Is that terrible? Lol. I guess that won't work now that I've met them!!
DD failed the Barton placement test. That's why I thought to try LIPS in the first place.
Right now she's using reading mastery - it's based on how to teach your child to read in 100 easy lessons. It's going miserably.
I should have read the rest of the thread before replying :o.
Okay, I had a similar experience of not being impressed with the LMB center staff, although I love LMB's products. I didn't even take my son to the clinic because over the phone the clinic director tried directing me away from LiPS and towards Seeing Stars. I wanted LiPS as my ds had failed a section of the Barton screen as well. (It was far away and costly anyway--and I was very pregnant at the time.)
Are you interested in Seeing Stars because the director was steering you towards it, or do you think that your child doesn't need LiPS? Have you tried calling Susan Barton for advice based on what section of the prescreening your dd failed? If she recommended LiPS, look for LiPS. I could tell you more about that. I prefer LiPS over Seeing Stars as LiPS is highly unique among reading programs. It requires more training and is therefore probably more costly and less profitable for the centers, which is why I think the direct at a LMB clinic tried telling me that "hardly any children need LiPS". Or maybe many children don't need LiPS, but it's what my son needed. Susan Barton didn't recommend my trying LiPS at home, but I didn't have a lot of options at that time, being 9 months pregnant and far away from anyone who could or would do LiPS with him.
Anyone watch the webinar on teaching writing to dyslexics?
in The Learning Challenges Board
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Thanks One Step. I didn't mean to turn your thread into my personal pity-party, but it is hard.
Now back to scaffolding..
I pulled out my Landmark teacher manuals "From Talking to Writing" and "Thinking about Language". Jackpot! They had some suggested scaffolds that fit just about perfectly with my son's writing assignment from Excellence in Writing this week. This EIW level was recommended by Susan Barton--and it has been helpful, but the additional scaffold from Landmark looks like a good supplement to it because I think he could benefit from the additional support.