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You guys made me feel better🙂. Would the ASD book set teach how to build parts into a whole? When he analyzed parts, he paraphrased the books instead of using his own words. He doesn't use good emotion words on casual talk either, other than simple happy, mad, sad, scared, surprised, disgusted. He doesn't know confused, irritated, jealous, guilt etc.  So fable set from RFP to build vocabulary and emotion words? I have beginning level MTC and wordly wise books, but they are their own vocabulary/grammar building curriculum. 

We have "Good Dog Carl" so we'll start with it today. I had to push him to do SGM. He just wanted to read through the books fast instead of slowing down to do the parts. We did "Bear where's your manner" and he could narrate the main episode, but stopped in the middle (all the mini episodes with new kickoff-resolution each time bear uses his magic words at school, ) refused to continue,  and complained that the book was too long. He always scans the number of pages/number of words in each page and gets scared of books that have so many words. Since he doesn't comprehend what he reads, he never reads for fun  but as a school chore or to show off his decoding/reading speed.

For my son, the dilemma is picture books have so many pages, while fables are shorter in one page, but they require visualizing mental image (that we aren't really there yet.) Maybe I need to complete ideachain/vv first, then sgm on wordless book/picture book/fables. 

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I didn't know anything better and originally had my son do the whole complete SGM narrative (character to resolution) using his school story books. He clearly struggled, so I digged more and found the narrative stage page in the blog. I felt lost and thought some kind of direct instructions would help. I worried I myself got the wrong kickoff, plan, etc. from the stories. 

Anyway I did the story "The Biggest Snowball Ever." He wasn't able to narrate in paragraph the entire story himself or say what the story was about, but able to answer each question separately, such as who are the characters, what started the story, what do the characters feel. etc. 

His vocabulary/sentence structure variety for narrative seem very limited. For example, he would re-use "cute" all of the time because he doesn't know its other synonyms. 

He can talk about his feeling and character's feelings but they are limited to only the basic universal emotions: happy, sad, mad.   

You're right my challenge is to find stories that are simple enough to do the early stage of SGM (not too many characters with different perspective interacting with each other, or with action obstacle becoming the new kickoff and embedding episodes, etc.) I'll check out the Aesop's Fables series. They look like what I need. Thanks so much. 

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Yeah you would have though in 2019 people would no longer say things like "how does he need help if he is gifted," "how does he have speech problems when he talks," "he's so smart, so if he doesn't know the answers, he must not take it seriously, or if he says inappropriate things, he must be rude/spoiled," etc. I'm so tired of judgement. The poor kid wasn't able to explain his side of the story when people complained about him. He is social, but his pragmatic/social communication skills need lots of work. I have the social thinking books (Superflex, Zones,) but like Mamashark said, it is not open & go either lol.

I want preload lesson like this post https://mindwingconcepts.com/blogs/news/spiders-5-books-resources-and-activities, but more organized in a book with more stories to do and at lower level. These spider stories are beyond my son's level. I wish MindWing would let me see better samples of the ASD set. SKILL sent me two page samples of character & setting and I like them. I just don't know how they do putting all those grammar structure pieces together in narrative and in expository. Does the ASD set have regular children literature or just social thinking?

 

 

[SGM and SKILL for Narrative]

We have been using the Rothstein 100% Vocabulary Primary book at the same time as IdeaChain and we like it so far. I also have VV stories and workbook (no manual) to use after my son finishes IdeaChain.

After reading many Mindwing SGM blog posts, I think it would definitely help him on narrative, but I may need a manual, something open & go with scripted lessons like IdeaChain. I'd prefer it to tell me what children literature to use, then lay out step-by-step lessons, progressing from narrative stage 1 through 7 with expository text structures integrated in there somehow. Would SGM teacher's manual (then ThemeMaker manual later) give me all I need? Do the manuals have all the necessary printable maps/charts/forms? I already made my own SGM teacher manipulative. What about the Braidy manual, critical thinking in action set, or the three Autism book set? Oh I also found the SKILL book mentioned in the Narrative thread, which is more open & go/scripted, but not as details on each stage of narrative. So, if I get the SKILL book instead, what are the "must have" I need to get from Mindwing?

Background: my 7-year old son is tested in school at 3rd grade level decoding/listening/comprehension at 1st grade. He's definitely good at decoding and has high vocabulary understanding. His casual speech is fine. But he is not capable of retelling/narrating anything he read/experienced/heard. Basically he knows the words but unable to remember to use them to describe things  (even a simple picture in VV/IdeaChain.) When I modeled the SGM, he would just imitate word-by-word what I said or would answer in a few words to "what is the character, what is setting" instead of in complete sentences. His pediatricians & psychologists didn't think he has autism because he is too social/extrovert/alert/smart. He does match everything about Hyperlexia. I finally found someone who could do the TNL but not the SPELT.

 

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Thanks for the suggestions replies/private messages. 

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1 hour ago, Jennifer-72 said:

Similar to what I mentioned above about the problem solving books, both HELP for Auditory Processing and 100% listening are great books but you don’t really need both.

So would you suggest HELP for Auditory Processing over 100% Listening? Have you tried Help Memory to improve working memory?

 

22 minutes ago, PeterPan said:

Are you planning on getting him diagnosed? You might be able to get some county funding or insurance coverage for ABA, SLP, something. Our children's hospital runs a day camp during the summer where they work on language and social skills. You might have some opportunities open up for you like this with diagnosis.

I missed it, he's in school or homeschooled? The school officials will want to see testing. On my ds what showed it was the SPELT=Structured Photographic Expressive Language Test, and the CELF.

I am, though both his doctor and psychologist don't believe he has ASD. He matches every single description for hyperlexia though. He's in school. I was trying to convince the school to test him.

 

 

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My son is a lot like yours. His school didn't 't believe me when I tried to explain he was using his background knowledge and echolalia to fake through MCQ and somehow landed himself on a 3rd grade level. They looked at me as if I were crazy. He couldn't understand a single sentence, or sometimes the individual words in it. He learnt his native language like a second language (like I did), not as a native speaker.

Sorry I mean I want him to learn social skills. He doesn't know how to start a conversation, take turn, bounce back, keep things on topic, any of that. He just likes to talk non-stop instead of engaging in an actual conversation. Every time I try to follow up or bounce back with him, he switches topic and goes on by himself again. He did the same thing with extended family members talking to him over the phone. When my friends came over and tried to have a conversation with him, asking him questions, he just said "I don't know" then ignored them or walked away. He is only interested in numbers and board games topics.

1 hour ago, PeterPan said:

I have a whole I made on language and another on narrative where I chronicle everything we did. 

Can you send me the link to those threads? Or were they the ones in your replies?

1 hour ago, PeterPan said:

Have you looked into RDI?

No. I've never heard of it. Does it work for hyperlexia type III with no official ASD diagnosis?

Thanks a gain for all the useful information.

 

 

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@PeterPan: wow thanks so much for all the links. I'll definitely check them out. My son is turning 7. I cannot find a pediatrician or language therapist who is familiar with hyperlexia where we live. They cannot see his struggles past his giftedness. I was able to get IdeaChain and Visualizing Verbalizing workbooks used online and just started out on that. It seems it may work for him on reading comprehension. I still think I may need Main Idea (and Inference & Consequence eventually when he progresses)?

He desperate needs to learn social skills (how to maintain a conversation,) problem solving, and control his emotion. I heard about Superflex and Zone of Regulations, both of which are very expensive, and have no sample pages. We read We Are Social Detective from the same publisher but my son was bored of his mind and refused to finish. So I decided to go with Spotlight on Social Skills for Primary instead.

What Super Duper decks did you find most useful? What about their (cheaper) apps?

Jennifer-72: if you can write more on your experiences on those books later, it would be great. It is so hard to find these linguisystems book used. They either don't exist or at higher price than getting them new.

 

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After doing some research to target comprehension/inference/main idea/working memory/auditory processing/social skills, I narrowed down to the following products:

 

*Linguisystems Spotlight on Listening Comprehension: Details, Main Idea, Inference, Consequence, Reasoning

*Linguisystem Spotlight on Social Skills Primary: Conversation, Emotion, Making Friends, Nonverbal, Social Inference, Consequences

*Linguisystems HELP: Memory, Auditory Processing

*Linguisystems Hyperlexia level 2

*100% Listening

*No Glamour Problem Solving

*Tasks of Problem Solving

*Spotlight on problem solving

 

Did you have experiences with any of those books? Which of them were the most helpful and necessary? Is there an order which book to use first? I read the samples and they look like they could help my hyperlexia/gifted/adhd kid, but they are too expensive to buy all to test out. They also seem to have some overlapping among each other.

 

I am also lost in what Super Duper decks to get. Some of the decks are similar to the Spotlight series and has similar pricing per deck/book.