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1 minute ago, Storygirl said:
I'm not on twitter, and I can't find the clip. But I heard what she said, live, so I don't need to see it again. I think that latching onto an off-hand statement about cleaning is not a reason to disparage her, and I'm sorry to see that that is happening on social media.
I don't think that is an off-hand comment. This shows to me a fundamental lack of knowledge. The person guiding public policy should know that a virus cannot multiply on a surface.
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8 minutes ago, Storygirl said:
I heard her say the countertop thing. She was talking about the need to clean frequently, because cleaners are not 100% effective and won't get rid of all of it the first time you clean. She said to read the back of the cleaning bottle to see the effectiveness of what you are using. So it's best to clean frequently to get rid of the entirety of the virus on the countertop, if the cleaner only gets rid of 94% (or whatever).
Do you have a quote to show that she said viruses can multiply on counters?
Look on twitter. The actual clip is all over the place. She said when you clean you don't get rid of it all. And what remains multiplies.
ETA: Here is a clip that I just googled. I was watching the press conference that day. The reporter asked her about cleaning surfaces to kill Covid.
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12 minutes ago, EmseB said:
I'm saying that the mantra from a certain viewpoint seems to be that any governor or local official needs to have a plan in place to prevent spikes in cases or outbreaks if they reopen anything at all. I personally don't think that's possible. I think there needs to be a plan for when outbreaks happen in any given locale.
The same question about planning is not being asked, that I can see, for the fallout for keeping schools and businesses closed. There isn't the same amount of scrutiny that I've seen except that maybe the federal government should be printing more money to help those losing jobs. I don't know, maybe it's just not a well publicized as the "if you want to reopen you deserve what's coming" sentiment.
When states open back up there are going to be spikes. I don't think it is possible to prevent spikes from happening. What I would like to see is a plan that acknowledges that we need to ensure that the spike in cases does not cause the hospital systems to be overloaded.
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41 minutes ago, square_25 said:
Just for some context, mind telling me what state this prediction was for? I think that would be an overestimate for even NY, so it's obviously off.
It came from the same individual who thinks a virus can multiply on a countertop - Ohio.
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1 hour ago, SKL said:
As long as there is a plan for thoughtfully, partially re-closing things when/if the cases (# ill at one time) go back up past a certain point, many states should feel ready to open most things with reasonable precautions. Are states making and communicating clear plans for potential partial re-closing, or is that gonna be another surprise to folks when it happens??
I think it is going to be a surprise for our state because there doesn't appear to be a plan for a partial reclose.
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5 minutes ago, square_25 said:
New York seemed totally fine in February. No issues at all, just going about their day, no hospital problems! And chances are, we already had thousands of cases just walking around. We just had no idea.
Everything is fine until it's not. You don't want to be in a situation where it's suddenly not.
Exactly. The fact that my state has no idea what numbers would necessitate tightening things back up is frightening.
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2 minutes ago, square_25 said:
And all the Northeastern states are setting up contact tracing as we speak. Everyone's hiring thousands of people. Frankly, all the states should be doing that yesterday. Scratch yesterday -- the states with smaller issues should have done it 2 months ago.
Is everyone in your state able to get tested?
My state still doesn't have enough tests to test everyone who presents with symptoms to determine if they have the virus, let alone test to try to determine how many asymptotic people are in the population. I have been trying to get my kids tested for antibodies because I think both of them had this while living on campus in February, but am unable to do so. I feel that my state is a long way from being able to set up contact tracing when they are unable to determine who is carrying the virus and who has recovered from the virus.
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9 minutes ago, square_25 said:
Well, I know. And for all we knew, the virus was all over and it was a reasonable approach. As it turns out, it wasn't.
The curve did get flattened in places with serious outbreaks. It wasn't all a myth.
I haven't seen anyone state that it was a myth. But, in many places, the hospitals are far from being overwhelmed, and the shelter in place no longer seems necessary.
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1 minute ago, square_25 said:
The problem is that the "flatten the curve" graphic makes no sense in states which have less than a percent infected, which is probably quite a lot of states. You're simply not in a situation of exponential growth that needs to be curtailed. Rather, you're in a situation where you need to be doing containment. The fact that the hospitals weren't overwhelmed yet tells you precisely nothing about whether they will be in the future. What will help with that is instituting measures now.
The problem, though, is that flattening the curve was the reason given for the measures.
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6 minutes ago, mms said:
What I am seeing here is that many people who went in to this crisis with full cooperation and good will are now falling prey to the narrative that this was all overblown and that the shut downs were over reactions. These are otherwise reasonable thoughtful people.
I also think there in another category who went into the crisis with full cooperation and good will with the understanding that the measures were put in place to flatten the curve so the hospitals were not overwhelmed. Once hospitals began furloughing nurses and cutting salaries due to empty hospital beds - evidence that the shut-down succeeded, there was frustration when things didn't begin to open back up because it appeared that the objective they had agreed with had changed.
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5 minutes ago, square_25 said:
Whoa. Do you really have a director of health who thinks that viruses can multiply on countertops??
Unfortunately, yes. She is in way over her head.
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9 hours ago, square_25 said:
Right, I agree, it's a big problem. But what is your plan? How do we reopen things in a way that actually brings everything back as opposed to making it worse? Which things will be just as impacted if we reopen now? What is your estimate of a chance of a second wave? Does that affect things?
I understand the economic pain here. What I don't understand is how this is supposed to work. And I'd really prefer to talk about the nitty-gritty of this, as opposed to talk about the many bad things about the economy staying closed, which I think we already agree on.
I think before we can come up with a plan, the states need to come up with a stated goal. I am still confused about what the goal is moving forward in my state. Is policy being set in order to prevent people from catching Covid19 with the hope that a vaccine will be available within the 12-18 month timeframe, or is the policy being set geared towards recognizing that people will get infected, but working to ensure that our hospital systems don't get overwhelmed resulting in not being able to treat those who are sick? In my opinion, the economic plan will be vastly different depending on the goal.
My state is beginning to open up. During yesterday's press conference, our governor was asked what benchmarks he would use to determine whether we need to tighten restrictions again. He was unable to answer the question. I found his lack of an answer disturbing. I would like to see infectious disease experts guiding my state's public policy through this pandemic, not a director of health who thinks that viruses can multiply on countertops.
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My son's school announced this week that all classes for the semester will be strictly pass/fail.
My daughter's school announced that the kids will have the option of converting a grade to pass/fail at the end of the semester, even in-major classes, without it counting toward the pass/fail class limit.
Both kids are happy with their school's decision.
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Does anyone think the K-12 schools will remain closed for the rest of this school year? I think that is a real possibility.
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8 hours ago, Arcadia said:
“California officials on Tuesday released age breakdowns of the coronavirus cases so far as the spread of the disease continued.
The data showed 91 cases of people 18-64 and 60 cases of people 65 and over. There were only two cases of people younger than 18.
It is ridiculous that we are unable to test everyone that shows symptoms. If the country had actual numbers for the under 18 age group, I bet many of our K-12 schools would be closed in an attempt to slow the spread.
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My oldest son just texted me that MIT is requiring everyone to vacate campus. All instruction for rest of semester will be conducted online
Still waiting on what my other son at Williams will be doing.
My daughter was planning on flying back to RPI on Monday because her team events have not been cancelled. But I am not sure her team will have any opponents at this point. In any event, she has not yet booked a flight.
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1 hour ago, Joker said:
So, when they start using words like containment areas and National Guard it does start to freak me out a bit.😥
That actually makes me feel better. I wish Washington state would utilize this approach to try to slow things down.
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Middlebury College has made the same decision as Amherst. My son’s school is announcing its decision tonight.
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My daughter’s college is going to all online at least through the end of March. They are encouraging the kids not to return to campus after spring break but will house those who do return.
i am hoping my son’s school cancels spring break and forces the kids to remain on campus so they can complete the semester-
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My son just informed me that Amherst is moving all classes to online format.
ETA. Amherst students have also been told not to return to campus after spring break.
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I just received an update from son’s college. There has been a confirmed case 7 miles from campus. Admitted student events along with admission tours have been cancelled. Assemblies have to be less than 100 people
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2 hours ago, mlktwins said:
I am also in the camp of going about our daily life while being prepared in case we need to stay in for a few weeks.
My husband and I flew to Florida and are now at Club Med I don’t think my odds of being infected here are any greater than they would be had we stayed home and went about our daily lifeI tutor kids every day. Since December, some of my students have travelled to China for the Chinese New Year , others have gone skiing in Italy, and others have just arrived back from France.
I don’t think any place in the country is safe...it’s just that we haven’t been able to test enough to expose the real numbers anywhere
(I am on my phone and don’t know how mlktwins box appeared Or how to delete it )
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My daughter has received notifications from 2 of her professors that theIr classes will be moved to an online format when classes resume after spring break.
My son’s college has cancelled his team’s trip to CA. There is also speculation that the school will cancel spring break and finish the semester early-
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My daughter’s school cancelled her team’s spring break trip to CA. Teams that are traveling to Florida for break have not had their trips cancelled.
Tufts has also cancelled team trips to CA this spring break. I am expecting my son’s school to cancel his team’s CA trip, too.
Wading through info that conflicts... COVID related..
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