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Mine write an essay per week, but those are short essays (1-2 pages), kind of like what SWB outlines in her high school writing lecture. Those essays span all subjects. We take breaks for other things, like poetry weeks and research papers. Last year, in 11th grade, he wrote 25 essays, but again, those are short ones.
Other writing he does: 2-3 paragraph summaries of various subjects 3x per week (one history, one science, one literature). Research papers twice a year. I think that's it.
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I don't do anything formal at that age. I just provide the books and let them go. Sometimes I keep a list of what they've read, just for reference. I don't actually assign reading until much older.
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Sounds like a good candidate for Writing With Ease. It's narration and copywork/dictation, so only writing about a sentence or two at a time, and not every day. If he's never done it before, you might want to drop back to level 2 to begin, but you can speed it up later and catch up if he's able. I think at this age that a little bit of writing at a time but done consistently is the way to go.
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Yes, definitely enough. And depending on the ages of your kids, you could cut down the number of written narrations to two a week. They don't *need* to be every day. You can do oral ones on the other days.
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You could try this free one from Progressive Phonics: Advanced Book 3
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12 hours ago, JHLWTM said:
I have similar questions to the OP. DD is currently going through MP's Classical Composition, Chreia. It is "writing," but it doesn't teach essays, research papers, literary analysis, etc. I feel at a loss for how to teach those other types of writing. (I love literature, but my background is in sciences, so I don't have a a good idea of how or when to teach the various forms/topoi of writing.) I also don't have a good sense for what kinds of expectations to have for writing output.
I bought WWS and studied the first third of the program. DD is a strong writer, and I think the incremental-ness of WWS would drive her batty. I would love to find another resource that I could read that would teach me how to teach different types of writing, so I could assign appropriate writing assignments across the curriculum. We tried IEW in the past, but I found it difficult to use.
I purchased Corbett's Classical Rheotirc for the Modern Student, and have ordered Engaging Ideas (thanks for the rec, @Penguin). However, those are college level texts, so I will they be of help for me at this stage? If I have limited time, is one better than the other? Should I go back and re-study WWS and figure out how to adapt it to my DD?
I think I would recommend that you buy SWB's writing audio lecture for writing in the middle grades. It's fantastic and details exactly how to go about writing without a program and also what to expect for output. It will also be very helpful in learning how to incorporate the skills from WWS without actually using WWS (this is what I do in my homeschool). In my opinion, essays, research papers and literary analysis are high school level skills (I know many will disagree with me) so you don't necessarily have to worry about those right now.
The only difference in what I do compared to the audio lecture is that I continue having my kids write narrations/summaries through middle school. By the time they are in 8th grade (and sometimes earlier), they are writing about 3 paragraphs and then it's easy to transition to essays just by learning how to add an intro and conclusion.
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I thought there were changes between version 1.0 and 2.0. Here's an old thread about some of them: https://forums.welltrainedmind.com/topic/294886-teaching-textbooks-and-the-sat/
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21 hours ago, StaceyinLA said:
My daughter and I were JUST discussing whether people used LLATL much anymore.
I think very few on this board use it, but they did just come out with all new editions, so somebody must be!
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Over summer I'm reading Notgrass's Exploring World History. I've had one kid go through it already, and the next is halfway through, but better late than never, right? I want to make notes on things I want to discuss or ideas for essay topics, etc.
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Easy Grammar might fit the bill, but it doesn't have diagramming. The lessons are short and it's very independent.
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I have always used other writing alongside LLATL, so I would say go ahead and try Wordsmith alongside. As far as I remember, LLATL doesn't have terrible many writing assignments, so there would be lots of opportunity to add something else in. I personally wouldn't drop LLATL because Green is where you get really nice grammar coverage and I wouldn't want my student to miss that. I think it used to be fairly common to use these two programs together.
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I think I agree that I would use neither, unless your child is really into history. I have used Guerber's Story of the Ancient World for that young, but not the Greek or Roman books. I have no experience with Famous Men, but I believe they are also geared for an older audience.
ETA: I think I would try SOTW 1 if I were you.
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I think my method goes something like:
- I divide up each course into 36 weeks to figure out how many times a week to schedule things (thankfully I've been using many of our current curricula for a long time so I only have to do this with new ones)
- If I'm using a new curriculum I haven't before, I spend time writing out a schedule or syllabus for the book that I can follow when I do my weekly planning
- I then make up a schedule for each kid and fit everything into a week, trying to make each day as even as possible (again, after 12 years, I'm reusing old schedules so this isn't much work at all)
- during the school year, I plan one week at a time so that if we miss a day or something changes, I don't have to erase too much. I have a master planner for myself where I write everyone's plans for the week (I made it myself in Word and print it and stick it on a clipboard; for the life of me I can't find an adequate pre-made planner). I have one page for each day of the week.
- then I write everyone's individual work into their own planners, basically copying them from my master plan
I revisit and adjust anytime an issue comes up, such as someone feels like Wednesday has too much work on it, or a certain curriculum doesn't work out for someone and they change to a new one, etc. I'm pretty specific in that I write down which pages or lessons each kid will do on what day, except for my 1st grade daughter. Her section is more of a log - I write down what she did after the fact because she is still very much in the interest-led stage where she may want to do way more or less than I planned. I'm usually fine with being so specific because if the week gets messed up, I start over the next week since I only plan a week at a time, and also, if I don't write down every little thing, I'll forget it needs doing.
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My boys also love the MiG Pilot book. Some of these might be in the same vein...
- Kon Tiki (mentioned above)
- Mover of Men and Mountains - R. G. LeTourneau (my boys read this one over and over)
- Endurance - Alfred Lansing
- Has he tried any Jules Verne? Around the World in 80 Days or 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea might work.
- The Prisoner of Zenda - this is action with a wee bit of romance, my then 16yo's favourite book of the year
- Has he tried any Sherlock Holmes?
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Simply Charlotte Mason is good and easy to use. Also, most of their products are available as PDF's, so that might be useful for her if she is in Spain.
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Just now, AZJessica said:
Have you used Master Books before? I'm considering using the Survey of Physics, Biology, Mathematics and Chemistry or the Introduction to Anatomy and Physiology 2 for my 9th grader next year. I don't know much about them - I saw them at a local homeschool resource store for the first time today. My kids get turned off by too much tie-in to religion even though we are a religious family. The Master Books elementary materials that I looked through seemed to reference religion more heavily than the high school survey books I glanced through. Any insight is appreciated - thanks! 🙂
My other son used Survey of Astronomy in 10th. I would say the books are pretty heavily religious. I would guess that of the ones you are interested in, the Survey of Physics/Bio, etc. would be less so. Biology would have the most in it, but the others probably wouldn't have much.
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TT might still sell if people are thinking they would like to reuse it for multiple children. That's why I bought CD's for a good price this past year instead of subscriptions.
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If it seems like a struggle, I would either take a break, or go back and repeat lessons. I just taught my 5th child to read this past year and every time she seemed to struggle (or when it wasn't fun anymore), we would back up and repeat. It always amazed me how much the repetition helped, and she was always ready to move on again once we got back to where we'd ended up before. No need to rush, especially since your daughter is so young!
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2 hours ago, forty-two said:
FWIW, at 8yo I wouldn't worry about teaching or facilitating creative writing beyond giving him plenty of time and materials to do his own thing and being an appreciative audience whenever he shares something with you (all of which you probably do already). I'd just keep working on the mechanics like you are doing, and I would personally do WWE with him as well. It's lit-centric, gentle, and quick, and ime the results give a lot of bang for your buck. Since he likes creative writing, he'd probably like the stories, and ime it's gentle and quick enough it shouldn't suck the life out of him and should leave him with plenty of time and energy for his own creative writing.
This is exactly what I would suggest, too. 🙂
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3 hours ago, MamaSprout said:
Are you using TT for Precalculus? Chapters 4 and 5 stand out to me as topics we're doing in Algebra 2 this year. Chapters 1-3 are often in both Algebra 2 and Precalc.
The Chapter 4 stuff is in TT Algebra 2, at least to some degree, but I'm not sure about 5.
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Misses:
Language Lessons for Today - not really anything wrong with it but I have finally quit trying to like CM-style elementary LA programs. They just don't work for us. Back to good ol' Rod & Staff we went.
Learning About Birds (SCM) - this was too young for my son. He didn't feel like it was real science. It would be fun for early elementary but probably not past 4th grade, IMO.
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Apologia Astronomy - this is the easiest book of the series, I think, and my youngest son LOVED it. Wish they had more on a similar level. The others are still too much over his head.
Easy Grammar - not sure what it was about this book, but my 7th grader flew through it, said it was EASY, and skipped a lot of the pages because they repeat so much. And he wasn't really good with grammar before that. I was surprised.
Apologia Flying Creatures - perfect for my bird lover. Lots of really neat info. He really enjoyed this one.
Learning cursive via dictation - not a program, but doing it this way, my 11yo FINALLY learned to write in cursive!
Pathway Readers Grade 1 set - my K'er adored these, read the whole set this year.
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We went to Teaching Textbooks and my son placed squarely into the 7 book after doing MM 6. He definitely could not go straight to pre-algebra, but one of the reasons we switched was because he needed a lot more review, so he probably had forgotten some math at that point.
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My youngest 3 will be done end of this week. DS15 will finish end of next week, and DS17 will need a few extra days after that to finish geography and chem. But the end is definitely in sight!
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I dislike the forced appreciation. It makes me think of all my faults and why I don't deserve to be celebrated. I never mention to any of my kids that the day is coming up. But DH always makes sure I don't cook on MD, so that's nice. We usually have to do something for MIL, which used to annoy me, but we just found out that she has a lot of cancer, so we will probably put more effort in for her this year. I agree that most holidays suck, if not for me, then surely for a lot of other people.
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Any experiences with lithotripsy for kidney stone?
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I had it done on a stone the same size as yours. The actual procedure wasn't really a big deal. They do pulverize it into little bits and you can see the little bits when you pass them, but there was no pain involved in that for me.