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  1. Admittedly, I have only read the first page of posts, but here are my question?

     

    1.  If WE all think that we can do a better job educating our children than the PS systems, then why would/should we "submit" (OP's term) to regulation by an entity deemed (by us) to be less capable of judging the true educational needs of your students?

     

    2.  If PS systems are so horribly underfunded that they cannot pay a decent wage to their teachers, where are they going to find the budget and personnel to regulate HS activities?   Who will develp the standards?  Who decides what standards are considered and finally developed.

     

    I get the impression that some are more concerned about how perceptions about Unschooling families reflect on more traditioanl/rigorous HS'ers.  Who cares?  I don't care what they do and I certainly don't care enough to have additionaly requiremetns imposed upon me due to THEIR (in)actions.  Let them be. none of my business.

     

     

    just my opinion.  no offense intended to anyone.

     

     

    -CS96

     

     

    EDIT:  just read the most recent post quoting your ultimate decision on how to proceed.  Well done and very understanding.  I've decided to leave my post up simply as a matter of debating the principle of the original post despite your recent resolution.

  2. Re-sell:

     

     

    Unsure how it might be ruled in a court. You could get the protection of teh the previously referenced law regarding re-sale OR depending on what you click on the website, may be entering into an agreement NOT to re-sell that may be judged enforceable (I've never bought from the compnay so I don't know what their terms and conditions are on their website)

     

     

    Reproduction:

     

    Unless specifically stated, CAN'T do it. Fair use is very narrow, limited generally to very short excerpts for instructional purposes. Doesn't matter if it's public or private use. Doesn't matter if you make money or not. Doesn;t matter that you may think it doesn't make sense or seem "fair." You cannot copy someone else's work unless specifically given permission, OR within the parameters of fair use (very limited) copying a worksheet for subsequent children is NOT fair use.

     

     

    You may not like it, but that doesn't change the way copyright and fair use are applied by the courts. I've done a considerable amount of research on the topic, specifically with respect to photographic copyright protection. It applies equally to print.

  3. many have already been mentioned:

     

    Socrates "Apology"

    Mark Antony (Shakespeare) "Friends, Romans, Countrymen...."

    Henry VII (Shakespeare, again) "St. Crispin's Day aka: We few, we happy few, we band of brothers...."

    Patrick Henry "Give me liberty or give me death" free on Amazon Kindle

    Washington's Farewell address

    Gettysburg address

    FDRs address following the attack on Pearl Harbor

    Churchill's address to parliament regarding the Battle of Britain "Never in the field of human conflict has so much been owed by so many to so few."

    MLKs "I have a dream"

    Kennedy's Inaugural Speech

    Reagan dress in Berlin 1987 "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"

    Reagan Farewell speech "Shining city upon a hill"

     

     

    - cheers

  4. Interesting article! Notice though he's teaching hs history, so we assume he's complaining about the *AP* test rutt, not elementary math and reading comprehension... Granted he mentioned NCLB. Doesn't change that basic test scores are extremely helpful to homeschoolers to let them see holes and get an objective assessment...

     

     

    Based on the context, I think he's talking about achievement-style testing, not AP testing. Particlaurly since AP testing (in History) has an essay component, not exclusively MC.

  5. First, I think you've gotten some good advice re: test taking skills

     

    Second, I cannot speak to the curriculum choices as I'm not familiar with it, but there seems to be soem consistency in the comments of others.

     

    Third, wondering why the concern re: test scores in third grade. They are not used for anything that I am award of other than to evalute the PS proficiency in test prep.

     

    Last, I saw this article today. It may change your perspective on testing as well as you confidence in your own abilities.

     

    http://www.washingto...testing-regime/

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    Was that a question for coral? If so, sorry to be butting in.

     

    Generally, historical fiction is defined as anything written 60 years after the time it was written. So, after a generation.

     

    Of course, this definition can't be applied strictly. What about The Odyssey or The Aeneid or Beowulf? Clearly, there is some literature that transcends that categorization because of the weight of its overall cultural impact.

     

    But for more recent literature, it's a helpful tool. Ivanhoe is an interesting book, but not particularly historical, unless one wants to study Scott's political ideas. Some other literature is best read for its historical context rather than its literary qualities, such as Heart of Darkness or The Jungle or Uncle Tom's Cabin. Such books express the ideas of their time periods and had a historical impact which should be accounted for.

     

    I think reading such things is helpful to understand history, but one needn't feel that they need to read ALL of historical literature, or that literature can only be read in context of history. But any narrative is going to carry the cultural stamp of the time it was written, so its historical context is always there.

     

    The OP's question was whether you could do history without fiction. I wasn't sure if she was including historical literature in that as well. But to answer her question, yes, you can pull non-fiction books about art, inventions, discoveries, etc. and just read those instead of fiction to enrich the bare-bones facts of names and dates. But I think that literature is an important part of that list, and it is an easy thing for kids to latch on to. But if the OP's kids really don't like narratives then she doesn't really have to push it. Though I would make sure to at least talk about the role of certain pieces of literature in history.

     

     

     

     

    The ? was open to anyone.

     

    my point was, and I think you may share my view based on your resposne, that "historical fiction" can mean differnt things to different people. After all Herodotus is really historiography, but we still look to his works for knowledge. and as you stated Stowe's work is seminal even if a work of fiction. Literature informs us about the people who wrote it and the societie and cultures from which they came (or their perceptions of others). Ingnoring literary works, set in historical settings, is to only tell part of the story in my opinion. I am not disparaging it, but I cannot understand the massive current of "nonfiction exclusivity" I've seen lately. In the end, non-fiction is relative term when you consider that even academic studies are genrally publish with an agenda in mind utilized the facts that support the authors premise and attempting to repudiate facts used in opposing arguements. In teh end, non-fiction is only as "factual" as the the writer/publisher's desire/ability to present an event from every perspective imaginable. A massive undertaking that would likely only hold teh interests of PhD's studying a single facet of an event or problem.

  7. Define historical fiction.

     

    would you consider Les Mise'rables historical fiction? Mark Twain? Stephen Crane? Chaucer?

     

    are we suggesting that even these should not be studied, or rather that they should not be studied for their historical content? Does not literature provide perpective on the societies and cultures that produce it; even when it is a society's look back on itself, written after-the-fact? (Les Mis was publish 30 years after the timeframe in which it is set)

  8. Well, I just love Social Studies! (I also love Language Arts. :D) History does not exist in a vacuum. It is not an isolated subject, by its very nature. (For that matter, neither is grammar, poetry, etc. :tongue_smilie:) I like it when subjects play nicely together. Just because the schools dumb down the social sciences and make a soporific, syrupy, PC mess out of what should be inherently fascinating doesn't mean linking disciplines is heresy. I think the opposite is true, actually, that it is heresy to separate them out.

     

    My favorite book about teaching history is actually called Social Studies That Sticks. You can read the first part of the first chapter on Amazon (http://www.amazon.co...ies that sticks) and a sample of the book which discusses the use of primary sources at the publisher's site (http://www.heinemann...cts/E01059.aspx). Just take a look at the list of social sciences (on page 5) that fall under the Social Studies umbrella. Good stuff. Connected to history. Fascinating on its own merits, certainly, but also inseparable from the study of history. I mean, good luck talking about ancient Egyptian history without a discussion about geography and the Nile. Actually, I would argue that too much separation between these strands and history would be dumbing down. I like my Social Studies multi-faceted.

     

    Again, I am not a fan of the PS way of teaching Social Studies but, at least in our homeschool, I have no problem with the term.

     

     

    on no! not primary sources again...... j/k

  9. also,

     

    at 13 many of these chores could/should be accomplished by your daughter. If she is trained in basic horsemanship and stable chores, she should begin there before advancing in her lessons. much like flying, the ground lessons are as important, if not more important in the beginning, than the actual time riding.

  10. I've always thought it was less than desireable to begin a sentence with an article.

     

    Instead of "that"... why not "Your wonderful heart," but I digress.

     

    Many things make you awesome. Your purple hair is one. :coolgleamA:

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