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I was very attracted to DH and wanted to date him the first time we met. :drool5: It was at a church function. I was 15 and he was 20. We had one conversation that day. Saw him one more time later that same week at same church, but we didn't speak at all that night. He actually left with another girl closer to his age. :crying: After that I didn't see him again for 2 years when I was 17. It wasn't until then that we had our first date. Within a month or two I was sure he was it. We married a year and a half later.
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I wouldn’t go.
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What is your “fancy†stuff that sounded so wonderful, but never got done?
AAS- I’ve tried to make it work more than once. Started R&S 4 at the beginning of January and it’s getting done after not doing ANY spelling for MONTHS!!!
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2006 doesn’t sound that old to me...
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Where do I order these? I'm been reading a few threads about these. Do I need just the readers? Is there a placement test? My daughter would start at the beginnng but my son is a little trickier. He knows short and long vowels, vowel sets, consonant blends. He never wants to sit down and do a phonics lesson. He just wants to "read a story" as he says. Would these be for him?
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xtramath.org! I forgot to include this in my list of hits. We are doing this everyday and I'm amazed at how much it has helped with math facts in just a month.
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Thank you! This is very helpful. Has your daughter had Latin before or is this her first experience?
This is basically our first Latin class. We dabbled in the first few lessons of Prima Latina last year, but my grandmother got sick and I was traveling long distance to help care for her. It was the first thing that got dropped. I didn't want to get derailed again this year, so I signed up for the online class to hold us accountable. I think it will be just the right amount of challenge for her. We like it so far, but as the other poster said its still early in the year. Today was the 3rd class.
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My 4th grader is taking Latina Christiana through MP online academy this year. She's the oldest so this is our first online class ever. We just started the 3rd week. Yes, typing would really help. She is keeping up, but it would go much smoother if she was a better typist! She is also in a Lit class and it's easier bc they utilize the microphone more. I plan on adding a typing program if not sometime this school year or over the summer.
And I forgot to add, the 1.5 hour Latin class passes quickly. They spend a lot of time answering review questions and practicing grammar forms. It's not just listening for 1.5 hour. In my daughters class there is also a 10 minute break.
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Hits:
CLE Math for 2nd & 3rd grades
R&S Math for K'er
R&S English 3
MP Latina Christiana
Misses:
AAS...I know it's popular, we just can't make it work.
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Yes, and it hurts worse than childbirth. :crying:
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My 8 year old son (2nd grade) is just now learning to read. He's a late bloomer and was not ready at 6yo. He wasn't even ready at 7yo. I cried, worried, and wasted a lot of $$$ on Curriculum. He just needed time.
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Okay, am I the only one who spent a long time trying to figure which denomination INTJ stood for? 🙄
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I agree with everyone else. It's possible I had it done every year from the ages 13-18ish. Expensive though because to do it right it will take FOREVER to roll. My hair was close to waist length. You will basically be their only client for a day and are paying for a whole days work.
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We started with the academy this year for k5 but about half way through my dd was not getting it. She kept saying "their going to fast" and start to cry. I stopped the video and started doing it one-on-one. The videos really helped me learn how to teach her.
I just purchased the last dvd lessons for 1st grade from a lady online (shhhhhh... dont tell!). We were watching a couple of the phonics lesson ones and I was loving it - what that teacher can do in 20 minutes takes me an hour! lol. But then when my dd watched one of the lessons and she said "they just keep yelling, I dont know what they are saying". I realized it will not work for her, thankfully I did not purchase the whole things from Abeka...
Long story short, maybe your daughter is unable to really understand what the kids/teacher is say - I find it hard to catch at times and clearly my daughter does not get it! I went through the Abeka 1st grade teacher guide today - creating an easier, day by day/lesson by lesson plan and they do teach syllables, prefixes, suffixes, compound words and the rules with them. Phonics is new to me so I am learning along side my daughter but hopefully if we take it slow and I have lots of reminder notes we will make it through this next year. I would recommend getting the 1st grade phonics manual - even an old one (mine is) - it tells you the rules/when to apply them and how to brake down words.
I currently have my daughter doing 3rd grade videos and my son doing 1st grade. I thought it would help with all the little ones running around here. I won't be repeating this EXPENSIVE mistake again. :glare:
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I used Abeka phonics with dd and your comment about missing the syllable rules is exactly why the next two kids learned to read via AAR. I did use AAS with my Abeka phonics kid though, and ETC. I think working through AAS is a great idea. We are not tile people so I rarely use them. I have found that AAS1-3 followed by Megawords is a great progression for us.
Well I'm glad I'm not the only one. I was beginning to feel really dumb. Abeka is REALLY good as drilling special sounds and that gave the appearance that she was reading. We dropped the ball with the multi syllable words though. :-/
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I would try my free to print stuff first, but IMO, reading is such a foundational skill that you can't do too much. I keep working until my kids are reading at a 12th grade level and can sound out anything. All the programs mentioned are good. My free to print program has explicit instructions in the transcript and reviews phonics basics while also working on syllables and advanced phonics.
http://www.thephonicspage.org/On%20Reading/syllablesspellsu.html
I use a variety of basic phonics programs and alternate them with work on the full Webster's Speller, working until they can read anything automativally and accurately.
I will look through this tonight. Thank you.
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I haven't used Abeka, but people I respect think it's a strong program. From my quick read-through of the syllabus, it does look like it's main focus is on learning all the phonograms ("special sounds") - which is a *great* foundation for reading. Their charts ought to provide you with everything you need to sound out any syllable you come across :thumbup:. Looking over the syllabus, Abeka phonics does also teach syllable division and common prefixes and suffixes, which is the basis for reading multi-syllable words. But they might not explicitly highlight the process for reading multi-syllable words - they don't highlight it in the detailed scope & sequence, in any case, even though all the building blocks are there. One option is to go back through all Abeka's syllable division work and prefix/suffix work - any lesson that involves multi-syllable words. Another option is to go through ElizabethB's free Multi-syllable Phonics materials. There's a *ton* of good stuff at that link.
A pp mentioned REWARDS - I've done that with my oldest, and it is very good. New it's a bit pricey; I got an older edition used on Amazon for not too much (student book; teacher guide). Here's their basic procedure for working through long, unfamiliar words:
1) Underline all the vowel sounds, saying the sound as you do (and Abeka's charts would be a big help in doing this). This tells you how many syllables there are: number of vowel sounds = number of syllables.
2) Circle all the prefixes and suffixes, starting from the outside in. (So for prefixes, start at the beginning of the word and work forward; for suffixes, start at the end of the word and work backwards.)
3) Divide the base word into syllables (this part is implicit in REWARDS - usually it's pretty intuitive with the vowels underlined and the prefixes and suffixes identified - but you can make it explicit, too).
4. Loop your finger under each syllable, saying each part as you go. (If your dd was having problems reading each part, Abeka's charts would help here, too.)
5. Read the word at normal speed.
In the lessons, they learn multi-letter vowels sounds (with a focus on being flexible, trying the first sound for that spelling first, and if it doesn't make a word, trying the next sound), prefixes and suffixes, and then practice the whole procedure step-by-step on a set of words (even if the student could read them on their own). Later they add in reading practice, where you only go through the whole procedure on paper if you are having problems with a word; otherwise if you can read the words without working through them on paper (the goal) you can. Toward the end, they have reading passages, where they pre-teach harder words.
The All About Reading method I linked earlier has these steps:
1) Divide the word into syllables.
2) Label the syllable types (do this if you've learned the types in Abeka; if you haven't, then I'd skip this step - it's a short-cut to figuring out which sounds to use, but you can figure them out using your Abeka charts at the next step, too.)
3) Decode each syllable just like you would a one-syllable word.
_____3a) Touch each letter/phonogram in the syllable and say the sound, using your Abeka charts to figure out the sounds as needed, just like Abeka taught you.
_____3b) Go back to the beginning of the syllable and blend the first two sounds together, running your finger underneath the letters as you say them.
_____3c) Go back to the beginning of the syllable and blend all the sounds together, running your finger underneath the letters as you say them.
4) Go back to the beginning of the word and slide your finger under the word, saying the sounds of the syllables.
5) Say the word at a normal speed.
There are lots of similarities between the REWARDS method and the AAR method (and ElizabethB's method, too) - because they are all teaching you to do the same thing: phonetically read multi-syllable words.
*AAR focuses more on identifying and blending the individual sounds in each syllable;
*ElizabethB focuses more on practicing the common syllables to automaticity (it's a lot like AAR, only instead of decoding each syllable, you just say each syllable; if you have problems, you look up your handy syllable chart and use that to help decode it);
*and REWARDS focuses more on isolating the base word and identifying the vowel sounds, and assumes the rest of decoding is automatic (which makes sense, since it is aimed toward older students).
It might help to pick one of the methods and practice it yourself. Open a book, and every longish word you come to, write it out (on paper or a whiteboard) and work through it step-by-step. After you've done a dozen or so words, hopefully it will start to click with you. You can try all the methods and see which you like best, or which one clicks with you (once one clicks, the others will probably click shortly afterward). If none of them click with you even after you've worked through 20-30 words each, then you might want to go ahead and pick a program to buy - because often it helps to see it all broken down and worked through step-by-step (the Wise Owl Polysyllables a pp mentioned follows basically the same approach as ElizabethB's materials).
Does that help any?
Now that I'm thinking about it and you've said all you have, *I* didn't actually sit down and teach her the phonics lessons. She used Abeka Academy. So she may have gotten the lessons, they went over her head and I didn't catch it. I didn't watch the lessons so I don't know how it was taught. Mom fail...
I read everything you posted and from what I said above I think l need the hand holding. I bought All About Reading once, I still have Levels 1 and 2 in the closet. We didn't like the tiles, so we just dabbled in it. I probably should have said that before now! They need to make an app! But I'm willing to try it again. Even though we don't like the tiles, maybe its what we need to *see* the multiple syllables. Thoughts?
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Thank you so much for the detailed response. And the answer is no I don't feel like I know enough to help her without explicit instructions. We used Abeka phonics and I feel like we know the *charts* but the rules for multi syllable words slipped past us! That's where we need work. :crying:
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How do you know when a child needs more phonics instruction or "just keep reading" will do. She is in 3rd grade. I'm trying to decide if I should go back and redo some advanced phonics lessons or just reading practice and maybe a phonics based spelling will do. I just had her pick up a Magic Tree House book because I had it on hand from the library, and read me the first chapter. I'm not sure what "level" those books are supposed to be.
Words she missed: adventure, absolutely, hordes, whirled, adventure, earlier, magic, grocery
Words she read wrong: thumbed for thumped, Amy for Annie, moon for noon, swaying for swayed
And she is still mixing up There, where,then, when. She interchanges the pairs.
I don't know if any of that information will help, but I'd like advice on what you would do with this child if she were yours. If I think of any thing else I will add it.*She will be doing standardized testing next week for the first time. I may come back and ask again after I get those results back.
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I've been married 10 years, have 5 children, and will be turning 30 this year. I don't feel like an adult either. I keep waiting, but I don't think it's coming. I still "feel" like a teenager in my head.
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Dove bar soap. The one for sensitive skin.
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Dove bar soap. The one for sensitive skin.
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s/o How common is it for high schools to forgo textbooks?
in The Chat Board
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Interesting. My friend has a daughter in 10th grade at the local public high school. She says her daughter is a straight A student, but shouldn’t be. Our state awards scholarship money for grades and ACT scores to every child. She says the teachers are giving out all the A’s they possibly can so kids can get more scholarship money.