If not Jacob's Geometry, then what like it?

[Patricia in WA]

I can not find the TM for Jacob's 2nd edition Geometry anywhere. I will NOT pay $$$$$ for it. I just will not. We need groceries every week. :D

 

So, if you wanted something that was proof heavy but had teacher materials that were more accessible what would you get? I am not afraid to learn along with my child I just want answers and solutions to make grading and correcting easier on me. Limited time and all.....

 

So what say you, Hive????

:grouphug:

[EKS]

This probably isn't the answer you're looking for, but Jacobs' 3rd edition actually has a solutions manual. The 2nd edition just has an answer key. Other than that, I'll be interested to see what answers you get here because I've found that I cannot effectively teach Jacobs' Geometry.

[Patricia in WA]

Are you saying you are willing to sell said TG? :D You can PM me.

[Patricia in WA]

Are you using the 3rd edition or the 2nd? What makes it unteachable for you? Just curious.

 

We are currently using Foerster's Algebra with no solution manual. I did manage to find the TE that has the answers to everything but no solutions. That is ok. I only work out the problems he has trouble with and we go from there. I guess I could do that with Geometry as well but I just can't find it anywhere. I am not 100% STRONG in math but I can manage at least until trig. Once we hit calculus we will probably outsource. So far, other than getting my student to write out his answers, we are not having difficulties. Well, except how to juggle 3 children at 3 different levels in everything! :D

[EKS]

I can't teach it because most of the teaching is in the problem sets. I've tried both editions, and the 2nd is vastly easier than the 3rd, but still not easy enough! So what was happening is that I was needing to work through every last problem myself the weekend before to be sure I understood it well enough to teach it (if my son had a question) during the week. It was taking *forever*. My son, who is usually *very* good at math, was having even more trouble than I was (he has dyslexia).

 

Now, keep in mind, that I *loved* Jacobs' Algebra. I love how he designed the problem sets to actually instruct. I wish that I could use his geometry book. Right now my son is using TT Geometry and I'm hoping that with that introduction he will be able to do selected problems from the Jacobs book next year as sort of an honors-type supplement.

[Stephanie/MO]

Jacob's 2nd edition with my oldest who did OK with it. My second son couldn't understand it at all, although both are very math-minded kids.

So we bought Lial's Geometry. It went much better with son #2. We had the solutions manual to all the odd numbers which was plenty. In fact, I have the set for sale (reduced to $35ppd) on the WTM boards if anyone is interested.

 

Some think Lial's is not flashy, but it is very understandable and proof-based. It has enough examples for understanding. I didn't teach Jacob's or Lials, but son #1 wishes he had had Lial Geometry before taking Trig in college. Son #2 did very well on the ACT after completing the Lials...thank goodness :)

 

Blessings,

Stephanie

[Sunshine State Sue]

Some think Lial's is not flashy, but it is very understandable and proof-based. It has enough examples for understanding. I didn't teach Jacob's or Lials, but son #1 wishes he had had Lial Geometry before taking Trig in college. Son #2 did very well on the ACT after completing the Lials...thank goodness :)

 

Is that Essentials of Geometry for College Students? or something else?

[Stephanie/MO]

The title is: Essentials of Geometry for College Students. It is very clear with the proofs which my sons had trouble with in Jacob's. Sometimes I think, are proofs necessary?? I had a tough time going through them in high school, but I am NOT a math person.

But both boys are in agreement since they have gone through Calculus 3 and Vector that the systematic working through of proofs was helpful.

 

Not to push Lial's...but I also have the Algebra 2 text with solutions manual and teacher's text for only $20ppd for all. I just don't need them looking pretty on my shelves. I am just not apt to pick them up for fun reading anytime soon :)

Blessings,

Stephanie

[Sunshine State Sue]

The title is: Essentials of Geometry for College Students. It is very clear with the proofs which my sons had trouble with in Jacob's. Sometimes I think, are proofs necessary?? I had a tough time going through them in high school, but I am NOT a math person.

Well, if it makes you feel better, I have a degree in math, and geometry was the only math class I ever detested. I hated proofs. I never understood the difference between postulates, corollaries, theorems, or whatever. I dread doing Geometry with ds. I'm actually thinking about taking Geometry at the cc next year so I can prepare myself to teach it. :tongue_smilie:

[Patricia in WA]

I really enjoyed proofs in high school. It was the only math class I enjoyed. I was good at math but only really connected with geometry.

 

I actually have the Lial Geometry book sitting on my shelf. I thought it was for college students. I may have to dust it off. Thanks.

[MyThreeSons]

No matter which program you use, grading proofs will not be simple. There is no "correct" answer to a proof that is done completely by the student.

(Some texts have some of the proofs partially done, asking the student to fill in a statement or a reason in some of the steps. Those are a little more straightforward.) A student may get to the "prove" statement in many different ways.

 

I teach Geometry at our co-op, and the proof problems take me a LONG time to grade, because I have to work thru each student's proof one step at a time to see whether it gets the job done.