x-post: First Year Henle with MP guides for units I to IV

[Colleen in NS]

We are finishing up LC2 and have done pretty well with it. Ds practices the vocab and grammar forms regularly.

 

I've looked through the first MP guide for First Year Henle (the one for units I and II). It looks to me like the first few lessons are a lot of repetition of what we learned in LC1 and 2. Which is good. It's a relief. But I'm wondering if we can condense the first few weeks somehow? I don't mind the review, but I don't want it to be overkill, and I would like to somehow move along in First Year Henle a little faster and try to finish it in 3 years (the two MP guides alone would take 2 years - how do you get through units VI to XIV in just one more year??). Even if we started the second MP guide right after the first MP guide, it would take up to more than halfway through a second year of study - how would I finish the whole Henle book by the end of a third year? Or is it easier than I know? I've seen recs here for MODG, but I don't want to switch. Just wondering how the first MP guide can be adapted, without negative consequence down the road.

 

Thanks!

[Cathy in TX]

We are finishing up LC2 and have done pretty well with it. Ds practices the vocab and grammar forms regularly.

 

I've looked through the first MP guide for First Year Henle (the one for units I and II). It looks to me like the first few lessons are a lot of repetition of what we learned in LC1 and 2. Which is good. It's a relief. But I'm wondering if we can condense the first few weeks somehow? I don't mind the review, but I don't want it to be overkill, and I would like to somehow move along in First Year Henle a little faster and try to finish it in 3 years (the two MP guides alone would take 2 years - how do you get through units VI to XIV in just one more year??). Even if we started the second MP guide right after the first MP guide, it would take up to more than halfway through a second year of study - how would I finish the whole Henle book by the end of a third year? Or is it easier than I know? I've seen recs here for MODG, but I don't want to switch. Just wondering how the first MP guide can be adapted, without negative consequence down the road.

 

Thanks!

 

If you want to stay with MP's guide, try doing two days' worth of lesson plans daily. That way you will get through the first four units in a year.

 

FYI, Latina Christiana prepares a student well for those first four units, so a lot will be review. Your son should do fine. : )

[Colleen in NS]

If you want to stay with MP's guide, try doing two days' worth of lesson plans daily. That way you will get through the first four units in a year.

 

FYI, Latina Christiana prepares a student well for those first four units, so a lot will be review. Your son should do fine. : )

 

If we double up, though, and because we've done up through LC2, are there things in the activities that could actually be eliminated? If so, what types of things? (as long as we keep up the LC2 memory work, adding in anything new from Henle)

[LisaNY]

Hi Colleen! :001_smile:

 

I would only have your dc do the exercises listed as "essential", until you reach a place where you need to slow down.

[Colleen in NS]

Hi Colleen! :001_smile:

 

I would only have your dc do the exercises listed as "essential", until you reach a place where you need to slow down.

 

Hi Lisa! Nice to see you again!

 

Hmmmm...now I need to go have a close look at the guide for these essential exercises....

[LisaNY]

Hi Lisa! Nice to see you again!

 

Hmmmm...now I need to go have a close look at the guide for these essential exercises....

 

I don't believe the exercises are listed that way in the guide - you would need to refer directly to the text.

[Colleen in NS]

I don't believe the exercises are listed that way in the guide - you would need to refer directly to the text.

 

The Henle book? Ok, gotcha. I'll have a look.

 

Thank you!

[mamato4]

We started this year with Henle 1 after finishing LCI and II.

 

You can easily finish Units 1-4 in the first year because much of it is review, BUT there are also many new concepts taught along with the familiar stuff.

 

I don't use the MP guides, but I have them in case I get stuck with a concept. What I did was look at how many exercises there are in the first four units and broke it up into pieces to fit the school year. As you go along, you'll find that some exercises can be done quickly orally, while some requires more time. So even though you planned out the exercises already, you still have to be flexible enough to add/take away some exercises for the week. Having done LC, it is not that difficult to just open up Henle and dive right in. Are you doing it with your ds? Or will he be on his own?

 

You can e-mail or pm me if you have any more questions. I don't come to the boards everyday.

 

:-)

[Colleen in NS]

We started this year with Henle 1 after finishing LCI and II.

 

You can easily finish Units 1-4 in the first year because much of it is review, BUT there are also many new concepts taught along with the familiar stuff.

 

I don't use the MP guides, but I have them in case I get stuck with a concept. What I did was look at how many exercises there are in the first four units and broke it up into pieces to fit the school year. As you go along, you'll find that some exercises can be done quickly orally, while some requires more time. So even though you planned out the exercises already, you still have to be flexible enough to add/take away some exercises for the week. Having done LC, it is not that difficult to just open up Henle and dive right in. Are you doing it with your ds? Or will he be on his own?

 

You can e-mail or pm me if you have any more questions. I don't come to the boards everyday.

 

:-)

 

Oh wow, this is so encouraging to hear!!!! Seriously, you can do units I to IV in a year???? When I look through the guides, it just looks like SO MUCH WORK. And they really, really stress memory work, which I agree with, but I'm sure even right now, we don't do as much memory work as they say to do in LC2, or as perfectly, yet ds knows the grammar and vocab quite well - to the point where he is so sick of chanting each day. And the guides for Henle also say that if your student is comfortably working on Latin for at least an hour a day - I just don't have an hour to devote to it. Well, I do go over the memory work with ds every day, and teach him the new LC2 lesson each Monday, explaining concepts, etc., and then he works on the exercises alone, so maybe for him it does total up to almost an hour - I don't know because I hand the exercises to him with his list of other work. Anyway, just hearing that one bit of info. perked me up! Oh, and the comment about it not being that difficult to open up Henle (after LC2) and diving in!!! Yay! I really needed to hear all this!

 

I am doing it with my son. I cannot see handing this over to him to do on his own, even though he is very bright. If I did, he would buzz way ahead and I'd never catch up and I'd never be able to correct him if he got stuck or strayed off the study path. And I can't afford to hire tutors or do online classes, so it's self-study for me so I can teach my kids myself. I remember Jean in Wisc saying one time she made her kids stick with her for Latin (I'm pretty sure it was Latin anyway), for exactly the same reasons. She wouldn't let them go ahead.

 

So, do you have a Latin background? If not, how did you know to plan units I to IV in a year????? What made you decide to do that? I should just analyze the MP guides and figure this all out, but I feel this compelling need to come here first and ask everyone else first.:D Every year, Latin looms like this scary monster in front of me. But you're actually making it sound like when I do R&S grammar and math with my son - that I could actually figure out what to skip, what to do orally, and what to do as written. I probably could have done this with LC, but it never occurred to me since Latin has been so scary for me. I also figured he should be doing the written exercises, as another way to reinforce a foreign language's spelling - but perhaps as we move along, I'll be able to discern when even this is necessary and when it's not. Heck, I did finally have him start telling me orally the sentences in LC where they have you use the derivative in a sentence (because it's in English).

 

I will definitely be keeping you on my Latin radar! Thank you so much!

[MamaT]

I've been poking around looking at the MODG Latin guides. It says on their site that even Henle suggested going to Latin 2 book after doing unit VII in the first book. Just FYI. Their guide for Henle 1 goes through unit VII and does the "essentials" and then straight into Henle 2 the next year.

[Colleen in NS]

I've been poking around looking at the MODG Latin guides. It says on their site that even Henle suggested going to Latin 2 book after doing unit VII in the first book. Just FYI. Their guide for Henle 1 goes through unit VII and does the "essentials" and then straight into Henle 2 the next year.

 

I saw what you are talking about last night as I was scrutinizing the MP guides and the Henle book. It basically says that Second Year Latin reviews the material from First Year Latin units VIII to XIV, so if a first year class is slower, not to worry. But I would like to take a few years to go through all of First Year Latin, because my son will just be starting 6th grade when we start - I just didn't want to take 4 to 5 years that the MP guides recommend. WTM says it can be done in 3 years, so I wanted to figure out how, and see if that's possible for us to do.

 

I should go have a look at the MODG site again and see if there are samples - I'm curious about the ages it's for, and how they go through those units so quickly.

 

Thank you for mentioning that!

[mamato4]

She had gone through the Henle cycle twice already with her own children and she started at the same place I did, no Latin background whatsoever!

 

She was the one that suggested breaking Henle I into three years. That was a pace that I was comfortable with given my lack of Latin knowledge. MP went too slow and MODG was too fast for me. (Side note: I never looked at the MODG syllabus. I ruled it out because it was covering Units I-VII in a year. Not comfortable with that.)

 

I did get the teacher guide from Our Lady of Victory School. http://www.olvs.org They also sell a Latin Progress Test book to go along with Henle I. I found out about this from the Henle yahoogroup. (By the way, a great group to join and very quick to answer any Latin questions you might have with Henle.) You can use this progress test to make sure your son is getting the concepts.

 

I make my kids do the chant only once a week. I think I should have them do it a bit more. They would positively ahte me if I make them do it everyday! Good for you for doing a great job on that! :thumbup1:

 

And I find it better to work on a little bit of Latin everyday if you can, instead of just doing it all in one chunk. Sticks better to the brain when it's exposed to it more often.

 

Glad to be of help!

God Bless,

Anna

[Colleen in NS]

I did get the teacher guide from Our Lady of Victory School. http://www.olvs.org They also sell a Latin Progress Test book to go along with Henle I. I found out about this from the Henle yahoogroup. (By the way, a great group to join and very quick to answer any Latin questions you might have with Henle.) You can use this progress test to make sure your son is getting the concepts.

 

I make my kids do the chant only once a week. I think I should have them do it a bit more. They would positively ahte me if I make them do it everyday! Good for you for doing a great job on that! :thumbup1:

 

And I find it better to work on a little bit of Latin everyday if you can, instead of just doing it all in one chunk. Sticks better to the brain when it's exposed to it more often.

 

Glad to be of help!

God Bless,

Anna

Thank you again!!

 

If I get stuck, I might check out that yahoo group.

 

We do Latin 4 days a week. Chanting and exercises. Though some days my son gets weary of chanting, so I skip some stuff. Daily I have to figure out what he knows well and what needs work. The grammar forms are pretty good - it's the vocab that we don't go through every day anymore - there is so much. I think we might cycle through it all in a couple of weeks or so.

 

I'm just so glad to know that Henle is first review of LC1 and 2. He's glad to know, too.