danielle Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Dd has clipped along in Latin until this year. However, she is now in Oxford Latin Bk. 3 and really struggling. At one point I was keeping up with her, but I've fallen behind and can't really help her now. I've searched for a program that uses Oxford, and found the distance learning at the Univ. of Missouri. It looks great, and just the extra help she needs. However, they only award 1/2 credit for completing Book 3--they call it Latin II, first half unit. Then book IV would be Latin II, second half unit. Would you consider these two books together only one year of high school Latin? And only 2nd year, at that? Opinions, please? Danielle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoriM Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Our school uses Cambridge Latin, and our 8th graders are in Book 3. I would say that language is different from other disciplines in what would be a "high school course" vs. middle school or college. A student either knows the language at that level, or doesn't. I wouldn't fret about what the Univ of Missouri calls the course. I'd just place her in the course/book where she is learning, and let her continue to learn. Your transcript will say Latin II, or whatever you call this year of Latin study she does at your home. If I wanted to study Latin with our students, I'd have to take Latin 1, and I'd be in the 6th grade class. GRIN. This, despite helping my daughters through Wheelock's and selected translations for a Latin III course! So, don't feel badly that you've fallen behind. Lori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane in NC Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Would you consider these two books together only one year of high school Latin? And only 2nd year, at that? Danielle No. I have seen Oxford Books I, II, and III listed for Latin I and II, but this was at a pace that surpassed us. What we did: Book I in 8th grade; I called it Latin I. Book II in 9th; Latin II. In 10th, we decided to pick up the pace. Book III in Oxford and Latin Mythica from Bolchazy. This was our Latin III. I too began struggling in Book III. Somehow my high school Latin kept me afloat in Oxford I & II, but subjunctive proved more problematic for me than my son! This year, my son has worked from several Bolchazy readers for an introduction to Latin literature (Ovid, Catullus, and Cicero). We're calling it Latin IV. An examination of the syllabi for the NLE indicates to me that students are not progressing at the Univ of Missouri pace. Let's hope Latinteach will contribute to this thread and perhaps shed some light on the subject. Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latinteach Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 Dd has clipped along in Latin until this year. However, she is now in Oxford Latin Bk. 3 and really struggling. At one point I was keeping up with her, but I've fallen behind and can't really help her now. I've searched for a program that uses Oxford, and found the distance learning at the Univ. of Missouri. It looks great, and just the extra help she needs. However, they only award 1/2 credit for completing Book 3--they call it Latin II, first half unit. Then book IV would be Latin II, second half unit. Would you consider these two books together only one year of high school Latin? And only 2nd year, at that? Opinions, please? Danielle The distance learning site you mention considers this course to be an academically challenging gifted level course. It appears that they are covering the grammar and syntax in three semesters and then moving on to some fairly easy but authentic Latin in the fourth semester. The likely follow on would be gradually more difficult but authentic literature in the fifth through eighth semester. (It doesn't appear that they offer this, but there are other distance learning courses that do.) In years past, this probably would have meant doing the AP Latin Literature exam in the third year (fifth and sixth semester) and the AP Vergil exam in the fourth (seventh and eighth) for a total of four years. There's only one capstone AP exam now (AP Vergil) so alternatives might include the SAT Subject Test in Latin for the third year in combination with transitional, authentic Latin readers (Catullus, Horace, Ovid, or Cicero) and then the AP Vergil in the fourth year. Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latinteach Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 No. I have seen Oxford Books I, II, and III listed for Latin I and II, but this was at a pace that surpassed us. What we did: Book I in 8th grade; I called it Latin I. Book II in 9th; Latin II. In 10th, we decided to pick up the pace. Book III in Oxford and Latin Mythica from Bolchazy. This was our Latin III. This year, my son has worked from several Bolchazy readers for an introduction to Latin literature (Ovid, Catullus, and Cicero). We're calling it Latin IV. This sounds like a reasonable pace and it sounds like he's working diligently towards developing fluency in reading and translating authentic literature. The Bolchazy transitional readers are very good and generally have been geared toward building up toward Advanced Placement Latin. Unfortunately, the AP Latin Lit exam is being phased out, so the only capstone exam is the AP Vergil exam, but it looks like he's well on his way toward that goal and that would be the next step. An examination of the syllabi for the NLE indicates to me that students are not progressing at the Univ of Missouri pace. Let's hope Latinteach will contribute to this thread and perhaps shed some light on the subject.The NLE is phasing in a new third year exam. There is the Intro exam (equivalent basically to one semester high school Latin), the Latin I exam, the Latin II exam, the Latin III exam, the Latin III/IV Poetry/Prose Exam and the Latin V-VI exam. Not everyone finishes all the grammar and syntax in the first two years and so Latin III appears to be transitional between Latin II and the authentic literature of Latin III/IV/V/VI. (Remember that the NLE syllabus considers each syllabus to be a "general overview" of what is covered in a particular year and not a total curriculum.) You'll want to see their site: http://www.nle.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yslek Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 The University of Wisconsin offers Latin courses using the Oxford texts through their Independent Learning program. Each book is worth four college-level semester credits. (This is equivalent to a complete High School Credit.) Here's a link to their "Intermediate Latin" class, which uses Oxford Latin book III: http://learn.wisconsin.edu/catframe.asp?Dest=course&idweb=7. They also offer Latin as a High School level course (for much lower tuition) but use the Cambridge Latin series instead. (Or at least they used to. I have an older catalog that lists these courses, but can't find any info on their High School level courses online. :confused:) HTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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