Stacy in NJ Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 (edited) :iagree: Why is there a contridiction between Obama's life and his political position? Well, his mother was in essence a single mother. He's commented previously that he wouldn't want his daugher "burdoned" with an unplanned pregnancy. Are you saying that Obama thinks all pregnant women should abort their babies if they are struggling and divorced? No, where did I say that? Really? No. Maybe that is what the ad wants you to take away from it, that according to Obama's political position, his mom should have aborted him. :confused: Obama is not saying all struggling families should abort their unborn. :eek: I don't think the ad is trying to convince anyone that Obama wants them to abort babies. It's simply pointing out that some pretty wonderful things can happen even when babies are born under difficult circumstances. His political position is that women should have the right to CHOOSE. Obviously, our parents chose to keep us, so we are all being contrary when we think other mothers should have the right to abort if they choose? I think because it's a pro-life ad your reading more into than was intended. I don't even think the ad is fair in the fact that it made the Obama's seem as if they were destitute. They were not. The Obama's were married when Barrack was born. (young, but married) They divorced when he was 3 and his mom remarried when he was 6. His dad left and was never a part of Barack's life... I see no correlation between this and abortion. ...... ETA: sorry for the formatting. Edited January 31, 2009 by Stacy in NJ comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spy Car Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 (I don't appreciate the silly sideshow that's going on within this thread.) It's better than the gross violation of human decency that represents most of the rest of the thread :glare: Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stacy in NJ Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 It's better than the gross violation of human decency that represents most of the rest of the thread :glare: Bill Why not try to argue the merits or lack thereof of the ad rather than issue a blanket statement condeming it and all those that don't agree with you? Obviously to you this ad is beyond the pale, why not expain to the rest of us moral midgets why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeanne in MN Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 That is the type of advertising I can stand behind. Powerful. ITA. Stunning message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crissy Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 (I don't appreciate the silly sideshow that's going on within this thread.) Of course not. You'd have to be wearing your 3D glasses to fully appreciate it. Sorry, Laurie, but it's a public board. Not everyone is going to agree or to take as serious a position as you on any topic. And as we know from experience here, any thread is subject to off topic posts, some silly, others serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurie Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 It's better than the gross violation of human decency that represents most of the rest of the thread :glare: Bill I have strong convictions about this subject, just as you do. Maybe I'm alone in this, but I find the food and wine remarks to be crude, tasteless, and out of place in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audrey Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Sorry I didn't mean to break the rules. Yahbut, they also banned the PETA ad. So, at least they're being fair and balanced in their ad-axing. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnTheBrink Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 I think it is a very moving ad. The fact is, it speaks the truth, and that is very uncomfortable for some people. :iagree: I found nothing offensive about the ad at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnTheBrink Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 I have strong convictions about this subject, just as you do. Maybe I'm alone in this, but I find the food and wine remarks to be crude, tasteless, and out of place in this thread. I see nothing crude about wings and wine, but maybe I'm missing something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennifer in NH Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Yahbut, they also banned the PETA ad. So, at least they're being fair and balanced in their ad-axing. :D I think that is funny! Here is my 2 cents. i have not seen the ad. But, any company, NBC included has every right not to run any add they don't care to run. I am going to assume that they do not want to be boycotted by any major groups of people...hey, it is all about the ratings...not just for the Superbowl, but for all of their shows. They are probably assuming that it would be riskier for them to run the ad (PETA's add too) than to just turn it down. I just think it is all a marketing decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommylaw Posted January 31, 2009 Author Share Posted January 31, 2009 Yahbut, they also banned the PETA ad. So, at least they're being fair and balanced in their ad-axing. :D A statement posted on PETA.org attributed to NBC said the ad "depicts a level of sexuality exceeding our standards.†But a second note to PETA attributed to Victoria Morgan, NBC vice president for advertising standards, suggested eight “edits that need to be made†so the ad could run. PETA refused to comply. “There´s no doubt that PETA is an advocacy group," Mr. Burch said. "They were willing to air an ad by PETA if they would simply tone down the sexual suggestiveness. Our ad is far less provocative, and hardly controversial by comparison.†"And back in 1998, when NBC last aired the Super Bowl, Bill Clinton had an ad about the president's initiative on race. That was political." http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jan/30/nbc-rejects-pro-life-ad-featuring-obama/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jejily Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Yahbut, they also banned the PETA ad. So, at least they're being fair and balanced in their ad-axing. :D I hear ya,' but... 1) Is the soft-porn PETA ad really comparable to the Catholic Vote ad? It's apple and oranges, IMO. 2) I read in another article somewhere that NBC is working with PETA to help them get their ad within standards. (I'm looking for that right now and with edit this with a link once I find it.) ETA: Above poster referenced it. For a pro-life ad, I thought that one was quite gentle in its message. It whispered its message; it didn't shout. It wasn't ugly. You may not agree with the message, but it was hardly offensive in its presentation. The use of Obama in the ad isn't a valid reason for being banned, IMO, as images, comments, thoughts and ideas of previous presidents have been used in "issue" ads by groups opposed to said president's policies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apiphobic Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Apparently, this isn't the first time NBC's pulled a stunt like this. Variety reports, “NBC’s commercial clearance department said in writing that it ‘cannot accept these spots as they are disparaging to President Bush.’ The Dixie Chicks Ad NBC Doesn't Want You to See Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karen sn Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Imagine all the aborted babies who could have achieved greatness if given the chance to live. And imagine all the killers as well. I once read a really sad news article. To make a long story short - the guy who murdered innocent people had a very sad life himself. He was never loved, never wanted. His mother tried to abort him with a coat hanger. Ironically - they killed him via lethal injection. It would not *at all* shock me to discover that the same people who fought to keep abortion illegal were there to push the death penalty in his case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggie Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Apparently, this isn't the first time NBC's pulled a stunt like this. The Dixie Chicks Ad NBC Doesn't Want You to See And here's the irony...from that site: "The idea that anyone should be penalized for criticizing the president is profoundly un-American." What are the Democrats themselves trying to do to Rush?:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daisy Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 It would not *at all* shock me to discover that the same people who fought to keep abortion illegal were there to push the death penalty in his case. Huh, it wouldn't shock me either. There is a big difference between killing an innocent child and killing a convicted murderer. What I find amazing are those who think it's okay to kill a baby but not a convicted murder. The mother decided for the baby and that's okay. The murderer decided for himself but that's not okay. :001_huh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Word Nerd Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 (edited) nt Edited January 31, 2009 by WordGirl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karenciavo Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 A statement posted on PETA.org attributed to NBC said the ad "depicts a level of sexuality exceeding our standards.†Wow, NBC has standards. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philothea Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 It's an absolutely despicable ad, aimed at exploiting the life story of a man of a man "Catholic Vote" said we could not morally vote for. They should be ashamed of themselves! Bill Nope not a hint of anti-Catholicism there. Its our duty, and we're not going to give up. Read Quas Primas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colleen Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 What is reprehensible about the ad? Is it b/c abortion is a taboo subject? I wasn't aware abortion is a taboo subject. I personally think the ad is in poor taste, to say the least ~ and fwiw, my position on the subject is most closely aligned with those who refer to themselves as "pro-life". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5kidsforME Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 I wasn't aware abortion is a taboo subject. I personally think the ad is in poor taste, to say the least ~ and fwiw, my position on the subject is most closely aligned with those who refer to themselves as "pro-life". What is in poor taste about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karenciavo Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 I personally think the ad is in poor taste, to say the least Why? I'm really curious. You say poor taste to say the least so I'm guessing you even feel more strongly about it. Could you be specific? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Let's see who really boycotts the superbowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colleen Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Why? I'm really curious. You say poor taste to say the least so I'm guessing you even feel more strongly about it. Could you be specific? No, I can't. It is so obvious to me (note italics) that it's in poor taste, trying to explain my reaction is akin to trying to explain to you why the letters "c-a-t" represent the word "cat". There's nothing else to say. This is one of those subjects on which people either agree or disagree. I have no interest in trying to convince those who don't share my reaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aubrey Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Let's see who really boycotts the superbowl. Oh! oh! Me, me, me!!! I hate football. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aubrey Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 No, I can't. It is so obvious to me (note italics) that it's in poor taste, trying to explain my reaction is akin to trying to explain to you why the letters "c-a-t" represent the word "cat". There's nothing else to say. This is one of those subjects on which people either agree or disagree. I have no interest in trying to convince those who don't share my reaction. I understand if you don't want to share because the whole subject can be so inflammatory. But other than that, I'd be genuinely interested in your point of view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colleen Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Using someone else (whomever) as the subject to promote one's agenda always bothers me. And in this particular ad, given the subject matter, it bothers me even more. As I said, the poor taste is so obvious to me, I'm floored others can't see that. It's like...If I came to dinner at your house and just sat there, belching and farting while proclaiming your food to be utter garbage, you'd know that wasn't kosher. And if someone asked you why, you'd likely be at a loss as to explain your point of view. You'd just assume they recognized such behavior as inappropriate, kwim?;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mamaw Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 NBC doesn't care that we have to watch all the trash that so many of their commercials have to offer. So many times, tv ads include the nastiest joke, or nastiest part of the episode they are airing. So much so, that it makes you cringe when your children are in the room. Then we have NBC refuse a commercial that tastefully makes such a valid point. No one at NBC seems to care about that. Free speech protects the garbage, but rarely protects virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karenciavo Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 I have no interest in trying to convince those who don't share my reaction. I'm not asking to be convinced, I am asking for a specific reason. We all have reasons for what we believe. Either you don't know why you feel so strongly, that would be odd, or you choose not to answer, that's fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcjlkplus3 Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 I wasn't aware abortion is a taboo subject. I personally think the ad is in poor taste, to say the least ~ and fwiw, my position on the subject is most closely aligned with those who refer to themselves as "pro-life". What do you think is in poor taste about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aubrey Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Using someone else (whomever) as the subject to promote one's agenda always bothers me. And in this particular ad, given the subject matter, it bothers me even more. That's an interesting way to look at it. I'm not sure I agree w/ you, but I do see what you mean. Cheap shot, basically? When I was in school, we were presented w/ a similar story--in one, an illegitimate child was born to a poor, single mother. If I remember right, it was incest. There was abuse, birth defects were likely, etc. You get the idea. The other child in the story was #8 for a poor family, etc. And we were presented w/ the moral dilemma: which one, if either, would you abort, & why? I remember thinking that the first situation seemed so hopeless. I was very black & white back then (jr high), & I didn't believe in abortion, but the first story really bothered me. I could at least see why someone would have chosen to end such a pregnancy. Then they tell us that the first child was daVinci; the second, Hitler. I have never forgotten that given the choice between the 2 pg's, the one I would have ended was the man I wanted to grow up to be. Realizing the limitations of my own understanding in that situation has given me pause in many decisions since then. Because of this class project, I get what this ad is trying to say. But because of the project, I'm having a harder time backing up far enough to see if the ad has been done in bad taste or not. Kwim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catherine Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 I am packing for parts elsewhere if so---gag--- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T Baer Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 had aborted him, he would not be president today. 2) Do we know if his mother comptemplated having an abortion? Given his parentage, it was more of challenging to give birth and raise him than it would be today. 3) The baby in utero is definitely not Barack Obama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggie Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 I am packing for parts elsewhere if so---gag--- What? Where did this come from?:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tibbyl Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 (edited) I do not understand the point of the da Vinci / Hitler project. Is it that abortion could prevent a potential future positive contribution to mankind? If so, then would equal consideration be given to fact that fetus could eventually unleash great destruction upon innocents? Why would the future actions of fetus, which are undeterminable, be a factor in decision to carry pregnancy to term? Tis a slippery slope to argue that one's worth is based solely upon their contribution to society. Edited January 31, 2009 by tibbyl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffeefreak Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 I didn't go look at the ad, but I wanted to point out that advertising is created for a target audience. Aren't the Super Bowl ads supposed to be fun and lighthearted? I use to watch the Super Bowl only for the commercials, now we don't watch it BECAUSE of the commercials:001_smile:. I'll take a glass of wine now:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcjlkplus3 Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 I do not understand the point of the da Vinci / Hitler project. Is it that abortion could prevent a potential future positive contribution to mankind? If so, then would equal consideration be given to fact that fetus could eventually unleash great destruction upon innocents? Why would the future actions of fetus, which are undeterminable, be a factor in decision to carry pregnancy to term? Tis a slippery slope to argue that one's worth is based solely upon their contribution to society. I think the point is that you never know what a baby in the womb will do or be when it grows up. I think that is the point of the ad also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spy Car Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 (edited) nevermind Edited January 31, 2009 by Spy Car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colleen Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 I'm not asking to be convinced, I am asking for a specific reason. We all have reasons for what we believe. Either you don't know why you feel so strongly, that would be odd, or you choose not to answer, that's fine. You seem to think I'm skirting the question. That's not the case. I've stated my answer, in posts replying to you and to Aubrey, as clearly as is possible, but let me repeat: 1) It is so obvious to me (note italics) that it's in poor taste, trying to explain my reaction is akin to trying to explain to you why the letters "c-a-t" represent the word "cat". 2) Using someone else (whomever) as the subject to promote one's agenda always bothers me. And in this particular ad, given the subject matter, it bothers me even more. As I said, the poor taste is so obvious to me, I'm floored others can't see that. It's like...If I came to dinner at your house and just sat there, belching and farting while proclaiming your food to be utter garbage, you'd know that wasn't kosher. And if someone asked you why, you'd likely be at a loss as to explain your point of view. You'd just assume they recognized such behavior as inappropriate, kwim? That's as specific as I can be; I'm sorry my answer doesn't satisfy you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colleen Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Because of this class project, I get what this ad is trying to say. But because of the project, I'm having a harder time backing up far enough to see if the ad has been done in bad taste or not. Kwim? I get what this ad is trying to say, too. Nonetheless I find it in poor taste, so to that end, no, I don't know what you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumping In Puddles Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 And here's the irony...from that site:"The idea that anyone should be penalized for criticizing the president is profoundly un-American." What are the Democrats themselves trying to do to Rush?:confused: Now this is getting into the political - and that is banned on this site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mom0012 Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 I thought the ad was powerful, yet tastefully done. Lisa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susie in CA Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 I just watched it! This ad is FANTASTIC! I don't think NBC has any right to reject it at all. It is brilliant! Susie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dooley Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Beautiful ad. Love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalanamak Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 I don't think NBC has any right to reject it at all. ??? As a change of pace at work yesterday, one nurse and I tried to communicate in quotes from songs. In continuing the effort I say: It's my party and I'll cry if I want to.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apiphobic Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 ??? As a change of pace at work yesterday, one nurse and I tried to communicate in quotes from songs. In continuing the effort I say: It's my party and I'll cry if I want to.... It's the end of the world as we know it ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5knights3maidens Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 I honestly think this is a beautiful ad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura K (NC) Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 I'm glad it is getting so much airtime on YouTube. I think it makes people uncomfortable, and I think that's a good thing. It was a beautiful ad, hitting to the core of the issue as it stands at this moment. It's funny how censorship is applied by the majority, isn't it? Censorship is only evil if one's own position is the one censored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TammyinTN Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 I loved the ad. Very tasteful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessedfamily Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Just to comment on making advertising decisions, (and I haven't watched in a looooooong time), but don't they usually do funny, quirky ads during the superbowl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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