dands Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 iii idus ( it means the eleventh) But i have no idea how to say ( iii) If anyone can help, Thanks!~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clwcain Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 ante diem trem idus [month name]...or something along those lines. It isn't always the 11th of the month by our reckoning. For example: ante diem v idus januarias was the 9th of January, A.D. 2009. Hodie est ante diem duodecimum Kalendas Februarias (21st January/12 days before the Kalends of February). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abbeyej Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 ee-ee-ee EE-doose Break the "ee" sounds into separate sounds -- sort of like telling a small child, "nuh-uh-uh!", if that makes any sense... ;o) Each sound is distinct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dands Posted January 21, 2009 Author Share Posted January 21, 2009 :)Thank you very much. It makes complete sense now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clwcain Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 ee-ee-ee EE-doose Break the "ee" sounds into separate sounds -- sort of like telling a small child, "nuh-uh-uh!", if that makes any sense... ;o) Each sound is distinct. Why are you sounding out the letter 'i'? It's the number three. You would say the Latin word for the number 3, "tres", in the accusative, "trem". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latinteach Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Why are you sounding out the letter 'i'?It's the number three. You would say the Latin word for the number 3, "tres", in the accusative, "trem". Sorry, the accusative of "trEs" is "trEs" in masculine or feminine, "tria" in the neuter. Keep in mind that "trEs" is plural (since three is more than one.) Here's the full declension: M/F trEs trium tribus trEs (sometimes tris) tribus N tria trium tribus tria tribus Upper case stands for the macron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latinteach Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 (edited) Concerning the original question, it's not always the 11th of the month. Sometimes it is the 13th. In the months of March, May, July, and October, the date III Idus refers to the 13th of the month. The rest of the year, the date III Idus refers to the 11th of the month. (The Ides were the 15th in March, May, July and October and the 13th the rest of the year.) So it depends on the month. III IdUs is "diE tertiO ante IdUs." Or "on the third day before the Ides." The Romans counted both ends of the series of days, which is why the Romans came up with three days instead of two. Also, for those of you who are keeping track, "diE tertiO" is in the ablative case. "IdUs" is a fourth declension plural accusative (following the preposition ante.) Again, upper case for vowels with macrons. Source: "Conversational Latin for Oral Proficiency, Fourth Edition" by John Traupman Edited January 23, 2009 by latinteach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clwcain Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Latinteach, I stand corrected. Your Latin-fu is superior to mine. *goes back to work and vows to crack open his Latin again this weekend* :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latinteach Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Clwcain, you were definitely on the right track, though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clwcain Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Thank you, Latinteach. O/T what is your opinion of "Conversational Latin for Oral Proficiency"? I find it a tempting supplement, and this confirms that it contains information I'm not at ease with, but I was wondering about your professional opinion of the program overall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latinteach Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Thank you, Latinteach. O/T what is your opinion of "Conversational Latin for Oral Proficiency"? I find it a tempting supplement, and this confirms that it contains information I'm not at ease with... "Conversational Latin for Oral Proficiency" is a phrase book and dictionary for Classical and Neo-Latin. It is divided into 25 chapters, 6 appendices, plus a general vocabulary. Each chapter is topical: greetings, family, school, daily activities, sports, human body, health, food and drink, days/weeks/months/year, expressions of time, colloquial expressions, etc. The final chapter is devoted to teaching Latin grammar in Latin. Every chapter has 3 sample dialogues: beginning, intermediate, and advanced. There is an English translation for every Latin sentence in the book. There's an accompanying CD set available (Restored Classical). It's an excellent resource for words that describe the modern world and colloquial expressions. Because its set up with three levels, it might take you some time to completely work through it. You would want to work through the beginning conversations first, then the intermediate, and finally the advanced. You can start with any chapter that interests you since it is set up thematically. The author is John Traupman, who also authored the New College Latin and English Dictionary (now in its third edition) as well as Latin is Fun, which is a Latin curriculum intended for middle and high school, which is grammar-translation based, but also encourages spoken and written expression in Latin. You can be assured he knows his Latin. His books are excellent. The Roman calendar isn't easy. It's Julian, not Gregorian. It's in a different language and they expressed dates differently, in terms of Ides, Kalends, and Nones. These were three different points in a month and the Romans expressed dates in relation to these three points in the month. Fortunately, "Conversational Latin" provides a very nice chart so you can look them up. :001_smile: The explanatory notes to the chart are very helpful. You can use the book in a variety of ways, as a dictionary, as a phrase and idiom book, as a conversation guide. If you do get, it be sure to get the most recent edition as it has been significantly updated each time it has been published. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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