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desertflower Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 This happens to me too. I'm chalking it up to perimenopause. I have to have lots of caffeine on those days I get 5 hours of sleep. 😩 Sorry no advice. But you are not alone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausmumof3 Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 No advice, but this describes how I feel many days. At night, I don’t feel like sleeping though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jean in Newcastle Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Because your body realizes what it’s been missing and wants more. 14 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katy Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 14 minutes ago, BandH said: I guess what I don't understand why sleeping makes me feel worse. Or maybe not worse, but just much more aware of how tired I am? I think your body desperately needs the sleep so when you can get it, it craves more. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katy Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Not the first time @Jean in Newcastle and I have said almost the same thing at the same time. 2 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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stephanier.1765 Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 24 minutes ago, BandH said: I guess what I don't understand why sleeping makes me feel worse. Or maybe not worse, but just much more aware of how tired I am? My body does that too. I almost never take a nap but on the days when I give in to the tiredness, I'll sleep for a least a couple of hours. Then that night, I'll fall right asleep (also something that never happens) and sleep solid through the night. It blows my mind every time that not only did the nap not negatively impact my nighttime sleep but actually made it better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terabith Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 1 minute ago, stephanier.1765 said: My body does that too. I almost never take a nap but on the days when I give in to the tiredness, I'll sleep for a least a couple of hours. Then that night, I'll fall right asleep (also something that never happens) and sleep solid through the night. It blows my mind every time that not only did the nap not negatively impact my nighttime sleep but actually made it better. I mean, with babies, they say that sleep begets sleep. So I can see how that would work for you. I’m not so sure about @BandH’s issue. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean in Newcastle Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 20 minutes ago, BandH said: Then why won't it let me have it? It's not like, when I lie down tonight my body will be like "Oh yeah, I remember this, I did it last night. I'll do it again!" It's more like "you greedy goose, of course you can't get sleep 2 nights in a row!" I don’t know why. I suffer from sleep issues too. A sleep specialist has been helpful (though not everything has been resolved). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prairiewindmomma Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 I know you dealt with sleep issues during immediate crisis with your ds, but have you ever done a rule out sleep study to make sure you don’t have larger organic reasons as to why you aren’t sleeping well? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbutton Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 It could be cortisol levels that are higher than normal and/or peak at a time that is not typical. I have that problem to some extent. I think it's better than it was. I could sleep in, but going to bed was difficult. I don't do caffeine at all anymore except for some kinds of resistant headaches or a single cup if I'm in a big hurry and someone already made coffee. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not_a_Number Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Off the top of my head, I’d guess stress is messing with you. Have you looked at light or noise issues? Those get in my way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regentrude Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 44 minutes ago, stephanier.1765 said: My body does that too. I almost never take a nap but on the days when I give in to the tiredness, I'll sleep for a least a couple of hours. Then that night, I'll fall right asleep (also something that never happens) and sleep solid through the night. It blows my mind every time that not only did the nap not negatively impact my nighttime sleep but actually made it better. Don't they have this saying about babies: "The more they sleep, the more they sleep"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Not_a_Number Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 I am definitely groggier and sleepier after a night I sleep things off a bit. Like, if I've been sleep deprived, I'll sleep in and feel awful. I've actually started setting an alarm for myself at the same time each day (including weekends) for this reason -- it just doesn't work for me to sleep in at all. Go to bed early, yes, sleep in... no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Not_a_Number Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 For me, sleeping past the time I normally get up would lead to the grogginess. Just my personal experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Not_a_Number Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 Yeah, I'm sure you were more sleep deprived than usual. You sound like you need the sleep and can't get it 😕 . I've had a few weeks like that recently -- I'd max out at 5 hours a night. And I'd wake up a bunch. These were the weeks with the most stress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean in Newcastle Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 After a stress response your adrenals are depleted. You can feel sluggish, hungover etc. Drink lots of water to flush those stress hormones out of your system. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prairiewindmomma Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 (edited) Based on the new info, I’d guess you had some not your usual adrenals in your system which affected your circadian rhythms. There is an interaction between cortisol and melatonin. I still think you should do a sleep study as a rule out given you are three years(?) into bad sleep. Edited March 18, 2023 by prairiewindmomma 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktgrok Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Jean in Newcastle said: Because your body realizes what it’s been missing and wants more. Definitely. It's like when you miss a meal because you are busy/stressed, and don't even realize how hungry you are until you take the first bite. THEN you are hungry. 42 minutes ago, BandH said: I don’t think I slept in by most people’s definition. My alarm went off at the same time. I just usually am already awake when it goes off, and today I was dead to the world, and then hit snooze and went back to sleep. You also might have been woken by the alarm at a weird spot in your sleep cycle. Don't they say that where in the cycle you wake up can make you groggy or not? So normally you wake up before the alarm, you've finished a "cycle". But this morning you got woken up mid cycle, which messes anyone up. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemsondana Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 My Bio 2 class decided to function like a science book club this year, and we just finished the book Why We Sleep. It talks about all of the effects of lack of sleep and how to get better sleep. The author (Walker) has some youtube videos that might give some insight - I haven't watched them, but I'd assume that they go along with the book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweet2ndchance Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 For the first year or two after my messy divorce, I couldn't sleep at all. Even when I did sleep, it was so light due to hypervigilance and stress that a pin drop would wake me up. After we moved over 8 hours away from where my ex lives, I think I finally felt safe enough to sleep. My body took full advantage of it and I slept more than I ever have in my life. I was so tired all. the. time. It felt like I did nothing but sleep for about 6 months. Seriously, I was sleeping around 16 hours a day on average at that point. I couldn't keep my eyes open to save my life for those 6 months. Since then, I still don't sleep normally due to (formally diagnosed) PTSD (which mostly stems from my first marriage/divorce). Some of my sleep issues are due to nightmares, intrusive thoughts and anxiety. The rest of the time, it is just abnormal sleep and wake cycling. I read somewhere that some crazy high amount of people with PTSD, like 85 - 90%, have trouble with abnormal sleep wake cycling in addition to things like nightmares that interfere with sleep. I've tried things like melatonin and OTC sleep aids but none of it worked for me. I have a prescription for klonopin that I call my "dreamless sleep pills". I don't take them very often because I'm afraid of becoming too reliant on them (probably silly but PTSD does silly things to the brain) but when I absolutely need to sleep or my anxiety is getting dangerously high, they work like a charm. They knock me out cold for 6 - 8 hours or more depending on the situation. My doctor is fine with me taking them every night if I need to but like I said, I worry about dependency/addiction so I take them as needed which my doctor is also fine with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosie_0801 Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 Your serotonin stores are going to be very low, which gives you nothing much to convert to melatonin at bed time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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itsheresomewhere Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 Just throwing it out there- Have you had any blood work recently? If not, call your doctor and tell him what is going on. And ask for a sleep specialist referral. It could be just from all the stress or all the stress has aggravated a health issue. It doesn’t hurt to get checked out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Not_a_Number Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 Thinking about the stress theory... have there been any relaxing days/weeks in the last couple of years? If there were, did they help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Not_a_Number Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 That really might help. I know I'd be relieved if I were you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemsondana Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 The 'Why We Sleep' book talks about PTSD as in part being due to the brain not processing trauma while we sleep. Apparently part of what good sleep does is let us separate emotion from memory, so that most people, years later, remember an event without feeling the associated emotion particularly deeply. In PTSD something went wonky with that process, and it seems to be due to how an individual sleeps and dreams. Sleeping pills don't help because they don't allow normal dreams, and it becomes a vicious cycle of fatigue but no sleep. There are some things that seem to help. Here's a link to an article that may be useful. https://news.berkeley.edu/2011/11/23/dream-sleep/#:~:text=It turns out that the generic blood pressure,link between PTSD and REM sleep%2C Walker said. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DawnM Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 (edited) I hesitate to post this, but I am going to anyway. I took Benadryl to sleep for years. Now that the studies of having it linked to dementia are in, my doctor encouraged me to go off of it. I would sleep for 3-4 hours per night and that was not enough. I was a mess. A friend told me she had been taking CBD to help her and then switched to Delta 8 gummies and they worked wonders for her. I was skeptical of all of it, and it bothered me that it was from m*rijuana, but I tried it and it works amazingly. I can sleep through some noise (I am a super light sleeper usually) and I only get up maybe once per night to use the bathroom. They are $35 or so per month but they are well worth it to me. Adding that it is legal in all 50 states, the amount of actual THC is pretty low. I am not in a state where m*rijuana is legal and this is legal here. Edited March 18, 2023 by DawnM 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kassia Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 @DawnM my oldest son uses it too to help him sleep but that's infrequent for him. I'm glad it's working for you! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regentrude Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 My friend with PTSD and decades long sleep problems got a dental device that relaxes the jaw from her dentist to wear at night. She said it is magical. She is finally sleeping and dreaming and feels like a completely different person. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Not_a_Number Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 Yeah, I'm not surprised given how your life has been the past few years 😕 . I'm sorry. It's really hard to live with unrelenting stress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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