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Update # 2

DH read all of your helpful replies.   We are going to pass on the Heeler.

This morning another rescue approved us for a mixed breed puppy he is 3 months old and about 10 pounds--I think this guy will be best for us now.  We go to meet him this afternoon.1283444988_ScreenShot2021-12-30at11_50_20AM.thumb.png.1696ded6f96213c846c2bb9b26fc7dca.png

 

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UPDATE: Looks like he is a TEXAS Heeler--  mix between  Australian Cattle Dog (Heeler) and Australian Shepherd (or Border Collie)

We are looking for a 2nd dog (other dog is a huge German Shepherd).  It has been 2 years since we lost our other dog (old age).

Today we looked at a local rescue and DH fell in love with a young TEXAS Heeler (stubby tail).  We had our 2yr old grandson with us-- the first dog we looked at (lab mix) was way too physical and GS was knocked over... when they brought out the Blue Heeler GS did not want anything to do with him-- and the dog respected his boundaries and was gentle around him specifically (so plus there).  BH is close to one year old and is in need of training... we have had rescue dogs before but they have been German Shepherd mixes...   We will be taking our dog to meet the prospective dog next week (due to shelter's limited hours this week).

Anyone have advice about Blue Heelers specifically?   

DH has the pictures on his phone so I will post one later today.

 

 

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We had a couple growing up. Blue Heelers tend to have herding behavior. Ours absolutely would herd our kids. They can also be a bit nippy at times. One of ours was fine with guests, but the other barked any time a strange vehicle approached. We had a nervous mail person, and that was an issue. They are a great companion animal in the sense that they like to be with you. Ours have been smart as heck. They do need quite a bit of exercise. 

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Smart dogs who need to be "worked" and stimulated to keep them out of trouble from boredom. But, if you already have german shepherd, you probably know the score on that. As a heeler, it is very likely that he'd try to herd you with a nip at your ankles, but any that I've been in contact with** have been sweet, not overly friendly and begging for attention, but not shy or fearful, either. 

**My experience with blue heelers has been on actual farm/ranches. Dogs were well exercised and had jobs to do, so well stimulated.

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Agreeing with what everyone else has already said. Heelers are amazing velcro dogs that form an intense bond with their human. They tend to be wary of people they don't know. They have a strong herding instinct and high energy.

A lot of heelers end up in shelters because people get a herding dog and then don't like the herding behaviors, which is so unfair to the dog. A good shelter will make sure adopters either have heeler experience or a full understanding of their behaviors before they let them adopt one.

I am in the Australian Cattle Dogs group on Facebook. I would recommend joining the group now and using it as a resource to help make your decision. There is a wealth of information there and lots of people willing to share their experiences.

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22 minutes ago, Selkie said:

form an intense bond with their human

I've only had experience with a few, but I've found the above to be true. ACDs either like you or (IME) they'll ignore you. I'm guessing it could be much worse than just ignoring, though. Someone I know has one that doesn't get anywhere near the mental or physical exercise he needs, and even now in his middle age he's a handful. He'll take off at any opportunity. I think they're dogs who truly need a job to do and that most aren't served well by being in pet only homes.

ETA: Also, while I always always always think opposite sexes are the best pairing, this particular combo (GSD and ACD) would absolutely make me want opposite sexes, and in no universe would I even consider it if both are females.

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Well, you all have echoed my initial thoughts...Hopefully DH will research the breed a bit more...

Trying to be positive because DH and DD (that lives with us) really liked him.

We moved to the city 1 year ago.  We do have a large corner lot.  There is a great hiking trail that starts less than 2 blocks away.  The city's huge dog park is 1/2 mile away.  We are home literally ALL THE TIME (DH and I work from home)... DD has a seizure disorder and has multiple seizures every day (has since GS was born).  We rarely entertain-- BUT we live in a very social neighborhood and visit with our neighbors every day-- and hike/walk daily.

This guy was friendly and open to meeting us-- the staff at shelter says he has liked everyone he has met.  So far he has completely ignored all of the shelter's cats (they have several who 'free roam')-- when we took him for a walk today we walked past the shelter's 'outside' resident cat and the BH made eye contact by kept on walking...We have 2 inside cats... both are friendly with our 150 lb GS-- but he/GS is not a bit hyper!

This guy was excited but not spastically hyper like the first dog we met.  He was very affectionate (loved tummy rubs) and it was evident he was from a loving home-- he was brought to shelter by an older gentleman. 

He would need LOTS of training... and that falls on me. I speak a great German Shepherd and all of our dogs have been on the 'smart' side... I've never spoken Blue Heeler before.  I have a list of books to get...and lots more research to do!

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Personally, this time I feel like a mixed breed (part lab) puppy would be our best bet considering we have cats and a 2 yr old...  I would not hesitate getting another German Shepherd or shepherd mix but DH is wanting more of a medium sized dog... We are NOT small dog people! 

I'm going to visit this dog a few more times-- he is getting neutered the end of next week so it will be 2 weeks at least before we could take him home.

 

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48 minutes ago, Selkie said:

Agreeing with what everyone else has already said. Heelers are amazing velcro dogs that form an intense bond with their human. They tend to be wary of people they don't know. They have a strong herding instinct and high energy.

 

All this. 

They are the perfect dog to live on a ranch where they bond with a family member or two, run outdoors most of the day, bark and bite at large mammals who could easily kill them if they tried, and almost never see strangers. 

They can be a nightmare in a typical home where there are friends and strangers in and out of the house, not enough exercise, and their personality is not understood. 

I have a love hate feeling toward them. As a vet tech I HATED HATED HATED to work on them - they react more like a cat - like they are not fully domesticated. They do NOT tolerate strangers poking and prodding them well. Not mean, but scared as all get out and some would bite. Again, acted almost more like a feral cat or a wild animal than a domestic dog. That said, I have met some out at dog parks where they are getting exercise and are free to run away if scared, and really enjoyed seeing their bond with their human. I have a feeling I'd love one if I had no kids in the house, and it was just my dog. 

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2 minutes ago, Jann in TX said:

Well, you all have echoed my initial thoughts...Hopefully DH will research the breed a bit more...

Trying to be positive because DH and DD (that lives with us) really liked him.

We moved to the city 1 year ago.  We do have a large corner lot.  There is a great hiking trail that starts less than 2 blocks away.  The city's huge dog park is 1/2 mile away.  We are home literally ALL THE TIME (DH and I work from home)... DD has a seizure disorder and has multiple seizures every day (has since GS was born).  We rarely entertain-- BUT we live in a very social neighborhood and visit with our neighbors every day-- and hike/walk daily.

This guy was friendly and open to meeting us-- the staff at shelter says he has liked everyone he has met.  So far he has completely ignored all of the shelter's cats (they have several who 'free roam')-- when we took him for a walk today we walked past the shelter's 'outside' resident cat and the BH made eye contact by kept on walking...We have 2 inside cats... both are friendly with our 150 lb GS-- but he/GS is not a bit hyper!

This guy was excited but not spastically hyper like the first dog we met.  He was very affectionate (loved tummy rubs) and it was evident he was from a loving home-- he was brought to shelter by an older gentleman. 

He would need LOTS of training... and that falls on me. I speak a great German Shepherd and all of our dogs have been on the 'smart' side... I've never spoken Blue Heeler before.  I have a list of books to get...and lots more research to do!

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Personally, this time I feel like a mixed breed (part lab) puppy would be our best bet considering we have cats and a 2 yr old...  I would not hesitate getting another German Shepherd or shepherd mix but DH is wanting more of a medium sized dog... We are NOT small dog people! 

I'm going to visit this dog a few more times-- he is getting neutered the end of next week so it will be 2 weeks at least before we could take him home.

 

Is he a heeler mix? Maybe he's mixed with something more mellow? 

I love you saying you speak German Shepherd but would need to learn heeler - I totally get what you mean! I had to learn to speak hound..man that was hard! But I will say that heeler and Shepherd have more in common than you may think - both can be hyper aware of their surroundings, both are very very smart. Difference is that a GSD is going to look more to a human for direction I think. A GSD will ask what you want and do it. With a cattle dog you need to get their buy in on the matter. Which, as obnoxious as it can be, does end up creating an amazing bond once you get there and get that buy in. They truly are super smart. But yeah, you need to convince them your way is the right way - they won't just take your word for it like a GSD or Lab. 

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36 minutes ago, Jann in TX said:

 

This guy was excited but not spastically hyper like the first dog we met.  He was very affectionate (loved tummy rubs) and it was evident he was from a loving home-- he was brought to shelter by an older gentleman. 

 

 

What reason was given for surrendering him? Many people lie, but I'd still want to know, just for curiosity's sake.

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Honestly, if you've socialized them well and they have a good personality, they can mix just fine in crowds.  It's just a dog that you need to bond and interact with a lot.  It's not a dog that you can put food out for and walk occasionally and have everybody be happy. Plan on going on walks, tossing tennis balls, maybe putting a yoga ball out in the backyard to herd a bit.  Some dogs are a lifestyle, and this breed tends to be one of them.  I'm not trying to scare you away--we loved our heelers--but I don't want to see a good dog be a bad match for a family, iykwim. 

ETA: the fact that you have a German Shepherd is actually encouraging, iykwim. I do think they are similar in temperament. 

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A fun fact that you will need to know about ACDs if you adopt him: The white blaze or spot that most heelers have on their head is called a Bentley Mark. It is named after a very popular and prolific stud dog from way back. I like to give mine a smooch on his Bentley.🙂 

If another heeler owner tells you they are "sending bentleys", that means they are sending well wishes or prayers.

There is even a poem about it (ACDs are said to be descended from dingoes, which is why the poem references a dingo):

A black and tan dingo stayed up late one night
to watch his friend, the moon, pass by
Please don’t leave me he cried as she lit up the sky
I can’t stay with you was her sad reply.
But I’ll miss you, he said as the sky turned black
and she stopped and smiled and then she came back
Little dingo, she said as she paused overhead,
I will always be here in this mark on your head.
She gently bent over and kissed ‘tween his ears
and a small piece of moonlight started to appear
and Cattle Dog owners to this day can see
that bright glow of moonlight that we call “Bentley”
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Loving, hyper dogs who need exercise and training.  I have two as clients.  One is hands down the good dog of the month when he comes in. As in the owners have spent a good amount on training and keeping him from being bored. The other is sweet but extremely dramatic about everything.  When doing his nails, he acts like we are removing a limb.  

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1 hour ago, Scarlett said:

I have the most gentle and loving 50 pound dog ever and she needs a new home.  
 

I will deliver her to you. 
 

Blue Heelers are Very High energy. 

What kind of dog?

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2 minutes ago, itsheresomewhere said:

Loving, hyper dogs who need exercise and training.  I have two as clients.  One is hands down the good dog of the month when he comes in. As in the owners have spent a good amount on training and keeping him from being bored. The other is sweet but extremely dramatic about everything.  When doing his nails, he acts like we are removing a limb.  

I have an extremely dramatic dog.  No amount of training has cured him of the drama. 
I’m fairly certain he gets it from DD9.

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1 minute ago, Mrs Tiggywinkle said:

I have an extremely dramatic dog.  No amount of training has cured him of the drama. 
I’m fairly certain he gets it from DD9.

Lol.  This dog could definitely use a some training. I don’t think he has ever been told no.  But my favorite husky ever is a hilarious dramatic mess in the shop.  He loves all water not in a stainless steel tub,  hates the dryer ( although the happy hoodie has helped a teeny bit) and could be cast in a drama when I do his nails.  Nothing could ever fix that but that is his charm to me. 

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11 minutes ago, Selkie said:

What kind of dog?

A Pitt Mix.  But please strike the word Pitt from you mind.  There is not aggressive bone in her body.  She loves, cats, dogs, babies, all humans. She has been around 3 little girls since their birth ( and hers) and my grand baby  baby…zero issues.  She runs at the cat but playfully…never aggressively.  She just wants to plop across your lap and stare at your face adoringly. 

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2 minutes ago, Scarlett said:

A Pitt Mix.  But please strike the word Pitt from you mind.  There is not aggressive bone in her body.  She loves, cats, dogs, babies, all humans. She has been around 3 little girls since their birth ( and hers) and my grand baby  baby…zero issues.  She runs at the cat but playfully…never aggressively.  She just wants to plop across your lap and stare at your face adoringly. 

Aww, what a gorgeous girl, and she looks so sweet. Our pit mix is the most gentle and lovey dovey of all our dogs. I hope you find a great home for her.

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Just now, Selkie said:

Aww, what a gorgeous girl, and she looks so sweet. Our pit mix is the most gentle and lovey dovey of all our dogs. I hope you find a great home for her.

Can I drive her to your house ?

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1 minute ago, Scarlett said:

Can I drive her to your house ?

I wish! I'm at full capacity for dogs, cats, and horses. Fingers crossed that someone else here can take her, though. You should start a separate thread...

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2 hours ago, Selkie said:

A fun fact that you will need to know about ACDs if you adopt him: The white blaze or spot that most heelers have on their head is called a Bentley Mark. It is named after a very popular and prolific stud dog from way back. I like to give mine a smooch on his Bentley.🙂 

If another heeler owner tells you they are "sending bentleys", that means they are sending well wishes or prayers.

There is even a poem about it (ACDs are said to be descended from dingoes, which is why the poem references a dingo):

A black and tan dingo stayed up late one night
to watch his friend, the moon, pass by
Please don’t leave me he cried as she lit up the sky
I can’t stay with you was her sad reply.
But I’ll miss you, he said as the sky turned black
and she stopped and smiled and then she came back
Little dingo, she said as she paused overhead,
I will always be here in this mark on your head.
She gently bent over and kissed ‘tween his ears
and a small piece of moonlight started to appear
and Cattle Dog owners to this day can see
that bright glow of moonlight that we call “Bentley”

LOL, we joked that they were mostly Dingo, and not domestic dogs, when we treated them at the vet. 

Like I said I have a love/hate relationship with them. I do NOT like dealing with other people's ACDs. I have a feeling I'd bond VERY hard with my own. Similar to my weimaraners that were difficult. 

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My sister had a dog that was half blue heeler. She and my sister were extremely close.  This dog was elderly before my sister had children, or it would have been hard.  She had to get lower-key dogs after she had her kids.  She did show herding behavior and loved to run in circles, but it was not a problem because she was not in a situation for it to cause a problem.

This would not be my pick for someone with little kids.  But she was a beloved companion to my sister for years.  
 

She was also extremely smart.  She had an air about her.  She was really a wonderful dog!  

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Update  with photo in original post.

Looks like he is a Texas Heeler-- so mix of Australian Cattle Dog (Blue Heeler) and Australian Shepherd or Border Collie

DH read replies above-- he is considering other options-- we have 2 weeks before he would be ready....

He would have been a great choice if we still lived in the country and had acres and acres to play on...

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Wanna see pictures of my adult son's bloody ankles when a heeler attacked him for walking on to the neighbor's property? 

My son is a super sweet guy and is not aggresive in any way. Animals usually adore him. One day my daughter was at the neighbor's house, which is adjacacent the heeler owner's property. They let the dogs go back and forth through the fence at will. When my son went to get my daughter, the heeler attacked him and the usually docile lab mix, joined in by barking and growling at him. The two kept each other wound up and it took a bit before my son could kick and stomp his way to safety back home.  We think the dogs were trying to protect the kids maybe? We have no idea.  Both of his ankles were bit multiple times, and while he didn't need stiches, he did have to visit the doctor to get antibiotics and a new tetnus shot.  The owners got a large fine and if it happens again, the dogs will be put down by the county. 

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We are passing on the Heeler-- DH agreed this was not the best choice for us/him.

We are going this afternoon to look at another mixed breed puppy-- posted picture in first post.

He is about 3 months old and weighs about 10 pounds-- they think he is some sort of terrier/lab mix-- but they said they really do not know!

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Oh my goodness, he’s adorable. I hope your meeting goes well!

We fostered puppies last spring who looked very similar. Very sweet pups, and if they hadn’t been adopted almost immediately, I was determined to foster-fail. 😊

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40 minutes ago, Jann in TX said:

We are passing on the Heeler-- DH agreed this was not the best choice for us/him.

We are going this afternoon to look at another mixed breed puppy-- posted picture in first post.

He is about 3 months old and weighs about 10 pounds-- they think he is some sort of terrier/lab mix-- but they said they really do not know!

Gorgeous little guy! I am a sucker for tan eyebrows.

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1 hour ago, Jann in TX said:

We are passing on the Heeler-- DH agreed this was not the best choice for us/him.

We are going this afternoon to look at another mixed breed puppy-- posted picture in first post.

He is about 3 months old and weighs about 10 pounds-- they think he is some sort of terrier/lab mix-- but they said they really do not know!

That, my friend, is a hound. 

So..read up on hounds, lol. 

On the one hand, they are SUPER sweet and pretty much never aggressive. Some breeds can be protective, but in a way that is totally reasonable (I know blue ticks are - not sure about other hounds but so many are very similar I'd expect same.)  An example is my hound who was at a halloween block party with half the neighborhood with me. He was being super sweet, well behaved, until my drunk idiot neighbor thought it would be hysterical to chase trick or treaters with the leaf blower (which sounds just like a chainsaw), revving the engine, while dressed as a scary clown. Kids were crying and screaming, and at that point Tracker started growling and moving toward my neighbor holding the leaf blower. As soon as he turned the leaf blower off and stopped acting menancing on purpose and the kids were no longer crying Tracker was fine with him again. I've heard similar stories from others. But he LOVES all visitors, which is typical for hounds. The only other aggression we ever saw was food related, and it was when we first got him. He growled and snapped at the other dogs if there was a bone or chewy around, but he'd just come from a foster home that had a dozen dogs, all bigger than him, where food was put down in one bowl and it was first come, first serve. He'd learned to protect what was his. He got over that when he realized he'd always have plenty of food and bones, and hasn't had an issue in years - in fact the kitten routinely walks into his kennel and steals his food right under his nose, while he is eating it! 

A bonus is that hounds usually get along really well with other dogs - they were bred for centuries to run in packs, often mixed packs that had dogs from various owners all together without fighting. 

Downside - Hounds don't give a crap what you think. This is not a shepherd! Hounds are bred to follow a scent, and then the human follows the hound. That is totally different than a dog like a GSD that is bred to listen and follow human commands. Hounds are not given commands, they are let loose and the human follows where the hound goes. You can see how that makes training a LOT LOT LOT LOT LOT LOT LOT harder! They don't even THINK to look to you for direction. It just doesn't occur to them. Not until you teach them that your opinion actually DOES matter, lol. MOST are very food motivated, so if you get one like that you can train with treats pretty easily. Some are not....those are harder. Mine was one of those, and nearly broke me. He came wiht a lot of baggage though - he'd been in 7 different homes counting ours and had a lot of stuff to work through. I think that's unusual. I'd say he was a terrible puppy, but an AMAZING adult dog. The puppyhood was worth it, lol. 

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It can be hard to tell with puppies, but to me, he looks like he probably has a variety of different breeds in him. 

We've had/have a number of purebred hounds (redbone, black and tan, Walker, English foxhound) and several mixes (seems like all the mutts in the shelters here are part Walker). Our mixes have not been "houndy" at all compared to the purebreds. So if he is part hound, you might find that that part of his DNA doesn't really show itself in his personality.

ETA: Forgot to say that if he is only 10 lbs. at three months, there must be a smaller breed(s) mixed in there.

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59 minutes ago, Selkie said:

It can be hard to tell with puppies, but to me, he looks like he probably has a variety of different breeds in him. 

We've had/have a number of purebred hounds (redbone, black and tan, Walker, English foxhound) and several mixes (seems like all the mutts in the shelters here are part Walker). Our mixes have not been "houndy" at all compared to the purebreds. So if he is part hound, you might find that that part of his DNA doesn't really show itself in his personality.

ETA: Forgot to say that if he is only 10 lbs. at three months, there must be a smaller breed(s) mixed in there.

I'm thinking Beagle, vs big hound given the size. 

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2 hours ago, Selkie said:

Maybe, yeah! I hope if @Jann in TXadopts him, she does a DNA test and lets us know, because it is always so much fun to find out.

Agreed! Heck I'd chip in on a go fund me for a DNA test, lol. 

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He is ours!

We were able to take him home today thanks to an awesome reference from our vet.

We named him Archer (Star Trek  theme for all of our dogs).

He is 8-10 weeks old and came to the rescue we used from a high-kill shelter that was overcrowded...  He is one of 8 puppies-- 6 look just like yellow labs-- the other one looks like him but with white legs.  No record of what the mother was or what happened to her...  I agree with Katie-- looks like he could be a coonhound/lab mix--and I can already tell he is scent driven!

Going to be a long night--- will be his first night away from his sister (other 6 were adopted a few days before Christmas).  I'll probably be on a pallet next to his pen... I think DH and I will take shifts...

So far 1 of the cats has at least sniffed him-- the other hissed and disappeared...  Archer and Trip (our 150 pound White German Shepherd) are doing great together.  Trip is a bit concerned that he is 'being replaced' but we have been purposeful about spending extra time with him.

His foster mom has been working hard on potty training him... he has been great today so far. 

It is evident that he will be a chewer-- so we are planning on tomato staking him for a while.  We have a few toys but will be getting more tomorrow now that we know how big he actually is and what he is preferring to play with and chew on.

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Now the next big question-- what puppy food should we get?  We use 4 Health for our GS and he has done well with it-- but not sure if we want to use it for this guy.  Archer will be a medium sized dog based on his size now so around 40-50 pounds...  The shelter/foster started him on Hills... but I'm not thrilled with the ingredient list.

 


 

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When able, I prefer to stick to a major brand as the dogs we saw in the vet that looked the best ate those foods. They also had the least incidence of heart issues with the whole grain free thing. That said, you also feed what is easy to get, and what the dogs like! For us, we feed Bil Jac because all three will eat it (two are picky) and my puker doesn't puke when eating it - she pukes ALL other foods up on the regular. This one is like rabbit pellets and dissolves faster or something in her gut. When I've tried "better" foods my dogs didn't do as well, so feed what works!

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