Duggar found GUILTY

[maize]

3 hours ago, AbcdeDooDah said:

I got the impression that that the last few years Jill and Derick were trying to mend their relationship with her parents. I think after the trial they finally saw the truth. I don’t see any going back after that statement.

Jill may have been concerned about the younger kids and wanted to maintain a relationship if she could 

[Faith-manor]

11 minutes ago, AbcdeDooDah said:

Just the Holt's daughter. They're the ones who testified against Josh in the trial. 

Josiah is the one who courted Marjorie.

Ya, I got that out of order. 

[Faith-manor]

Just now, maize said:

Jill may have been concerned about the younger kids and wanted to maintain a relationship if she could 

I think it is disgusting that Jill and Derrick could not be with her younger siblings unsupervised because "bad influence" but Josh could be alone in a pool as a pedo with his nieces and nephews unsupervised and even out of line of sight. That right there says a LOT about how demented JB is.

[Mrs Tiggywinkle]

I think Jim Holt‘s statement that Jim Bob lied to them when they asked about Josh courting their daughter is pretty good evidence that JB lied to the Keller’s as well.  
 

Actually all of Jim Holt’s statement and Derick’s response was pretty damming.  He basically said hey, JB was my best friend for years, but he lied to me repeatedly then perjured himself in court and lied about my wife so don’t vote for him.

Really, the Duggars are like my little advent calendar this month. Every day another door opens and shows what they really are. 

[DawnM]

4 minutes ago, Mrs Tiggywinkle said:

I think Jim Holt‘s statement that Jim Bob lied to them when they asked about Josh courting their daughter is pretty good evidence that JB lied to the Keller’s as well.  
 

Actually all of Jim Holt’s statement and Derick’s response was pretty damming.  He basically said hey, JB was my best friend for years, but he lied to me repeatedly then perjured himself in court and lied about my wife so don’t vote for him.

Really, the Duggars are like my little advent calendar this month. Every day another door opens and shows what they really are. 

🤣  that's awesome.   what a fun advent calendar this year.

[Faith-manor]

5 minutes ago, Mrs Tiggywinkle said:

I think Jim Holt‘s statement that Jim Bob lied to them when they asked about Josh courting their daughter is pretty good evidence that JB lied to the Keller’s as well.  
 

Actually all of Jim Holt’s statement and Derick’s response was pretty damming.  He basically said hey, JB was my best friend for years, but he lied to me repeatedly then perjured himself in court and lied about my wife so don’t vote for him.

Really, the Duggars are like my little advent calendar this month. Every day another door opens and shows what they really are. 

Yes, and I think the thing that topped the charts for Bobye was the meeting they had with Josh and JB, and while Josh was confessing, JB fell asleep. Can you imagine??? What kind of horror show is JB that he could fall asleep during something like that!

[Catwoman]

I just checked the Arkansas election results, and right now JimBob is #3 out of the 4 candidates with only 13.3% of the vote, but it’s still early.

I hope he loses by a huge margin! 
 

Edited to add — these results must be early votes or something, as it doesn’t look like the polls have closed yet.

Edited December 15, 2021 by Catwoman
New info

[Faith-manor]

11 minutes ago, Catwoman said:

I just checked the Arkansas election results, and right now JimBob is #3 out of the 4 candidates with only 13.3% of the vote, but it’s still early.

I hope he loses by a huge margin! 
 

Edited to add — these results must be early votes or something, as it doesn’t look like the polls have closed yet.

Fingers crossed that he gets roasted!

[HS Mom in NC]

47 minutes ago, Faith-manor said:

Yes, and I think the thing that topped the charts for Bobye was the meeting they had with Josh and JB, and while Josh was confessing, JB fell asleep. Can you imagine??? What kind of horror show is JB that he could fall asleep during something like that!

Yes!  Most people hearing their son violated their daughters and another child wouldn't be able to sleep for a loooong time.

[gardenmom5]

2 hours ago, Faith-manor said:

 . So JB went to Keller. Pa Keller, dirt poor and needing one less mouth to feed but apparently unable to reign in his own proclivities so more children would not be produced, agreed. If you watch the episode with the proposal, the Kellers were the chaperones that night. Josh asked to speak to her alone, and she begged her parents not to leave the table. Her parents audibly say to her that she will be okay. They left and douche proposed. She said no, but that was edited out though confirmed later by witnesses in the restaurant. Her parents talked to her and then they resumed filming when she changed her answer. What many viewers did not know was that they had only met three times. Josh told JB to ask Anna if he could court her. Instead, he proposed. This was also admitted to later.

Josh began referring to her as his own "working model" after that. 😠

 

Her parents should be in the cell next to JB & M.

[ktgrok]

6 hours ago, Faith-manor said:

What she should do is take Jernigan, the lawyer from YouTube who does legal analysis, up on her public offer to assist her and then sue JB for all of her children's wages which he is holding because TLC was so depraved and didn't care about the children and allowed JB the patriarch to get all the money. Jill had to sue for hers. He holds no money in trust for the minors even though he makes all that revenue off them.

She could take the money and run. But I doubt she has the back bone to do it.

This presumes Anna is watching Youtube videos other than those preapproved or made by family members. 

[Faith-manor]

JB lost. But what I want to know is who are the 456 dunderheads who voted for him???? I can't even wrap my brain around that. Must be 456 registered offenders in the district.

[Catwoman]

14 minutes ago, gardenmom5 said:

Her parents should be in the cell next to JB & M.

Agreed! 

And I have noticed that some people online seem to place 100% of the blame on JimBob, and Michelle gets a pass, and I completely disagree with that. Unlike Anna, Michelle wasn't raised the way she raised her own kids. She hadn't been brainwashed since birth. She knew exactly what she was getting into. She should have known better all along! 

She makes me sick. 

[Frances]

11 minutes ago, Faith-manor said:

JB lost. But what I want to know is who are the 456 dunderheads who voted for him???? I can't even wrap my brain around that. Must be 456 registered offenders in the district.

Seriously? I’m actually surprised he didn’t win given who people will vote for at much higher levels. I mean he’s famous, arrogant, a liar, and gets publicity. That seems to go a long way for many people.

Edited December 15, 2021 by Frances

[DawnM]

10 minutes ago, Faith-manor said:

JB lost. But what I want to know is who are the 456 dunderheads who voted for him???? I can't even wrap my brain around that. Must be 456 registered offenders in the district.

considering some of his own kids wouldn't even vote for him.   idiots.

[MerryAtHope]

1 hour ago, Faith-manor said:

Yes, and I think the thing that topped the charts for Bobye was the meeting they had with Josh and JB, and while Josh was confessing, JB fell asleep. Can you imagine??? What kind of horror show is JB that he could fall asleep during something like that!

Actually I read it was Bobye’s husband Jim that fell asleep. 
 

"Bobye testified that Jim regularly counseled Duggar during those two intervening years," the defense said. "She said she still wanted to help him. She testified that she and Jim met with Duggar in their bedroom to discuss matters further. Bobye testified that during the meeting Jim actively participated but, eventually, fell asleep—she continued to talk to Duggar as her husband slept."

https://www.eonline.com/news/1311600/josh-duggar-inappropriately-touched-girl-while-reading-her-bible-stories-family-friend-testifies

 

[Faith-manor]

Retraction: the posted numbers were early voting but the journalist made a mistake and said it was final results.

Still questioning the sanity of the 456 people who voted for him so far! Anyway, sorry about the confusion.

[Faith-manor]

4 minutes ago, MerryAtHope said:

Actually I read it was Bobye’s husband Jim that fell asleep. 
 

"Bobye testified that Jim regularly counseled Duggar during those two intervening years," the defense said. "She said she still wanted to help him. She testified that she and Jim met with Duggar in their bedroom to discuss matters further. Bobye testified that during the meeting Jim actively participated but, eventually, fell asleep—she continued to talk to Duggar as her husband slept."

https://www.eonline.com/news/1311600/josh-duggar-inappropriately-touched-girl-while-reading-her-bible-stories-family-friend-testifies

 

Interesting. It was reported too that both men fell asleep. So there is some mix up going on. Still can't imagine such a serious topic and Holt falls asleep. Just wow.

[gardenmom5]

so sad, jumped the gun . . . . 

Let's hope it keeps holding.

Edited December 15, 2021 by gardenmom5

[gardenmom5]

36 minutes ago, Catwoman said:

Agreed! 

And I have noticed that some people online seem to place 100% of the blame on JimBob, and Michelle gets a pass, and I completely disagree with that. Unlike Anna, Michelle wasn't raised the way she raised her own kids. She hadn't been brainwashed since birth. She knew exactly what she was getting into. She should have known better all along! 

She makes me sick. 

I remember when one of the girls (I think Jinger), wanted to go explore/travel/go to NYC - and the way M shut it down on camera.  She was gaslighting her daughter - on camera, for the world to see.  She knew what she was doing.

[Faith-manor]

Okay, 270 to win has it, and if they are correct, JB lost.

https://www.270towin.com/news/2021/12/14/live-results-several-state-legislative-elections-close-year_1291.html

[Catwoman]

1 hour ago, gardenmom5 said:

I remember when one of the girls (I think Jinger), wanted to go explore/travel/go to NYC - and the way M shut it down on camera.  She was gaslighting her daughter - on camera, for the world to see.  She knew what she was doing.

I remember that, too! Michelle kept “explaining” what Jinger “really meant.”

Michelle is just as evil as JimBob, if not more so.

[Faith-manor]

6 hours ago, Catwoman said:

I remember that, too! Michelle kept “explaining” what Jinger “really meant.”

Michelle is just as evil as JimBob, if not more so.

Yep, I do not give her any compassion. What she has done to her children is absolutely vile. I believe she knew exactly what she was doing.

[freesia]

9 hours ago, gardenmom5 said:

I remember when one of the girls (I think Jinger), wanted to go explore/travel/go to NYC - and the way M shut it down on camera.  She was gaslighting her daughter - on camera, for the world to see.  She knew what she was doing.

I actually think about that. If I’m remembering Jinger said she wanted to live in a city. M was explaining how that wasn’t really what she meant. I have been happy because now Jinger does live in a city. 

[Faith-manor]

3 hours ago, freesia said:

I actually think about that. If I’m remembering Jinger said she wanted to live in a city. M was explaining how that wasn’t really what she meant. I have been happy because now Jinger does live in a city. 

Yes, she said that what Jinger really meant was that she wanted to live closer to Walmart. Ugh.

I don't know how many will move on, but it seems that even if JD, Joe, Josiah, and Jeremiah stay with their dad and his businesses, the lost boys won't have any employment. None of JB's business ventures are particularly successful, and now without the show, no big revenue. How many married households can JB support? He took out a $20,000 loan in addition to the about $27,000 of personal money he claims to have put into the campaign. Which is hilarious when you think about it because he outspent the other candidates by something like 5:1, and still lost by a wide margin. The "lost boys", Jackson and company as they are referred to, will not have the money backing that the older boys got on top of JB having to support the M's. I think that this lack of daddy being able to hold money over their heads might be a catalyst. They will have to sue their father for their wages, just like Jill did (and rumor is Jinger too), and that will pretty much sever that relationship, but then they will have something to start with. Jessa seems to be committed to JB, but Joy's statement seemed to pretty much throw JB and Meech under the wheels. So I think she and Austin are out. Josiah and Lauren have been crazy quiet the last few months. It makes me wonder.

Justin seems to be under the spell of Ma Spivey. Claire is very oriented towards her mother if her social media is any indication. So I could totally see a break with JB happening their by just cozying up to the Spiveys and distancing from JB.

It will be interesting to see where they all land in the coming years. Certainly the trial caused the collapse of the house of cards. It remains to be seen who frees themselves from the rubble.

Edited December 15, 2021 by Faith-manor

[gardenmom5]

6 minutes ago, Faith-manor said:

 

I don't know how many will move on, but it seems that even if JD, Joe, Josiah, and Jeremiah stay with their dad and his businesses, the lost boys won't have any employment. None of JB's business ventures are particularly successful, and now without the show, no big revenue. How many married households can JB support?  ,-snip - The "lost boys", Jackson and company as they are referred to, will not have the money backing that the older boys got on top of JB having to support the M's. I think that this lack of daddy being able to hold money over their heads might be a catalyst. They will have to sue their father for their wages, just like Jill did (and rumor is Jinger too), and that will pretty much sever that relationship, but then they will have something to start with.

who exactly are "the lost boys"?
I agree, if JB can't hold money over the heads of his kids, they will start to ignore his demands.  That can only be a good thing.  Especially the way he stood by and supported Josh.

He fights giving the kids their money - which just costs more money in legal fees.

and it sems like there are still minor kids. But high school education for the boys at best. . . I hope they can find some sort of training program (at the least) so they can earn a decent living and be independent of the creep.

6 minutes ago, Faith-manor said:

Jessa seems to be committed to JB, but Josh's statement seemed too pretty much throw JB and Meech under the wheels. So I think she and Austin are out. Josiah and Lauren have been crazy quiet the last few months. It makes me wonder.

Justin seems to be under the spell of Ma Spivey. Claire is very oriented towards her mother if her social media is any indication. So I could totally see a break with JB happening their by just cozying up to the Spiveys and distancing from JB.

It will be interesting to see where they all land in the coming years. Certainly the trial caused the collapse of the house of cards. It remains to be seen who frees themselves from the rubble.

This has me confused. Was this a typo?

About time.

[freesia]

1 hour ago, gardenmom5 said:

who exactly are "the lost boys"?
I agree, if JB can't hold money over the heads of his kids, they will start to ignore his demands.  That can only be a good thing.  Especially the way he stood by and supported Josh.

He fights giving the kids their money - which just costs more money in legal fees.

and it sems like there are still minor kids. But high school education for the boys at best. . . I hope they can find some sort of training program (at the least) so they can earn a decent living and be independent of the creep.

This has me confused. Was this a typo?

About time.

I think she meant Joy-Anna

[Faith-manor]

1 hour ago, gardenmom5 said:

who exactly are "the lost boys"?
I agree, if JB can't hold money over the heads of his kids, they will start to ignore his demands.  That can only be a good thing.  Especially the way he stood by and supported Josh.

He fights giving the kids their money - which just costs more money in legal fees.

and it sems like there are still minor kids. But high school education for the boys at best. . . I hope they can find some sort of training program (at the least) so they can earn a decent living and be independent of the creep.

This has me confused. Was this a typo?

About time.

The lost boys are the ones at home. They have been almost entirely overlooked.by their parents, not promoted like the other ones, and were too young to be married off or work in the businesses thereby providing not too much fodder for TLC entertainment. Sometimes even on the show, JB and Meech acted like they couldn't remember their names, and literally paid them zero attention. It was quite noticeable especially as more and more of the older ones got married. They got dubbed The Lost Boys by the subreddit, but it was picked up by others, and even the film crew is reported to have made wise cracks about " the lost kids" and Jana, Jill, Jessa, and Jinger being the only ones who new them because they have been the sister moms who raised them when they were little. Jackson, James, Jason...their sister moms even had night duty for them when they were babies as well as for "the lost girls", Johannah, Jennifer, Jordyn, and Josie.

[Faith-manor]

28 minutes ago, freesia said:

I think she meant Joy-Anna

Yes. It was my stupid kindle trying to autocorrect because it doesn't like Joy Anna with the caps and the space for some reason.

[itsheresomewhere]

Faith,

Jinger didn’t sue.  Jeremy had their contract directly with TLC to insure they got paid directly.  

[Corraleno]

Reading the transcript of Megyn Kelly's interview with Jill & Jessa is so disturbing in light of what we now know. They repeatedly say that they wanted to go on TV to defend Josh, that they love him, they have forgiven him (and that was totally their choice, no one forced them!), that he's a totally changed person and would never do anything like that again, and they're so upset that people are calling him a child molester and pedophile because that's "a total lie."  They insist that none of the victims had any idea what happened until Josh confessed and their parents told them (which is clearly false), and claim that the victimization they felt as a result of the media publishing the story was "a thousand times worse" than the actual molestation. Poor Joshy was just a confused little boy, their parents were so amazingly amazing in how they handled it, and the only villains in this story are the media.

Some of the most cringe-worthy quotes:

Jessa: "Josh was a boy, a young boy in puberty and a little too curious about girls and ... he made some bad choices but really the extent of it was mild inappropriate touching on fully clothed victims."

Jessa: "by the time ... the report was made and everything, it was very obvious to everyone, us and our family, friends, officials that Josh was a completely changed person. He had not gone down that path for years, he was humble before God, before us, before the officials that were involved." And at the very same time that Jill and Jessa were being paraded on TV to defend the honor of their humble, devout, totally changed brother, the smug little shithead had two Ashley Madison accounts, was actively cheating on his wife, was watching porn every chance he got, and still had access to little kids.

Jill: "when the investigation with our family was closed after all those months, they said your parents have done an amazing job. They were praising our parents and said your home is a safe place for children." I'm assuming the investigators did not directly address the children and extoll the amazingness of their parents, so presumably she is parroting what Jim Bob told her to say. She even repeats it in another part of the interview: "as a mother now, I look back and I think, you know, my parents did such an amazing job. For me, even when we went through the DHS investigation, they complimented my parents on what an amazing job they did through that process. And so, I think not only taking the legal actions that they did and then going the extra mile and I see, as a mom, I hope that I can set the same safeguards in my family that they did and, you know, reaching the heart of their children. And not only trying to take care of Josh but us girls."

One of the most bizarre statements in the whole interview was Jill's claim (obviously repeating what she was told by JB) that what happened to them is super common: "statistics say two-thirds of families deal with something like that, and that's only the families who are reporting it." Nothing to see here, no big deal, almost every family has a pedophile kid who molests his siblings!

This transcript is of the actual broadcast, so it includes voice overs and commentary from other people:
https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/exclusive-duggar-sisters-want-to-set-the-record-straight

[Faith-manor]

34 minutes ago, itsheresomewhere said:

Faith,

Jinger didn’t sue.  Jeremy had their contract directly with TLC to insure they got paid directly.  

Thanks. There has been a lot of confusion about that.

[Faith-manor]

20 minutes ago, Corraleno said:

Reading the transcript of Megyn Kelly's interview with Jill & Jessa is so disturbing in light of what we now know. They repeatedly say that they wanted to go on TV to defend Josh, that they love him, they have forgiven him (and that was totally their choice, no one forced them!), that he's a totally changed person and would never do anything like that again, and they're so upset that people are calling him a child molester and pedophile because that's "a total lie."  They insist that none of the victims had any idea what happened until Josh confessed and their parents told them (which is clearly false), and claim that the victimization they felt as a result of the media publishing the story was "a thousand times worse" than the actual molestation. Poor Joshy was just a confused little boy, their parents were so amazingly amazing in how they handled it, and the only villains in this story are the media.

Some of the most cringe-worthy quotes:

Jessa: "Josh was a boy, a young boy in puberty and a little too curious about girls and ... he made some bad choices but really the extent of it was mild inappropriate touching on fully clothed victims."

Jessa: "by the time ... the report was made and everything, it was very obvious to everyone, us and our family, friends, officials that Josh was a completely changed person. He had not gone down that path for years, he was humble before God, before us, before the officials that were involved." And at the very same time that Jill and Jessa were being paraded on TV to defend the honor of their humble, devout, totally changed brother, the smug little shithead had two Ashley Madison accounts, was actively cheating on his wife, was watching porn every chance he got, and still had access to little kids.

Jill: "when the investigation with our family was closed after all those months, they said your parents have done an amazing job. They were praising our parents and said your home is a safe place for children." I'm assuming the investigators did not directly address the children and extoll the amazingness of their parents, so presumably she is parroting what Jim Bob told her to say. She even repeats it in another part of the interview: "as a mother now, I look back and I think, you know, my parents did such an amazing job. For me, even when we went through the DHS investigation, they complimented my parents on what an amazing job they did through that process. And so, I think not only taking the legal actions that they did and then going the extra mile and I see, as a mom, I hope that I can set the same safeguards in my family that they did and, you know, reaching the heart of their children. And not only trying to take care of Josh but us girls."

One of the most bizarre statements in the whole interview was Jill's claim (obviously repeating what she was told by JB) that what happened to them is super common: "statistics say two-thirds of families deal with something like that, and that's only the families who are reporting it." Nothing to see here, no big deal, almost every family has a pedophile kid who molests his siblings!

This transcript is of the actual broadcast, so it includes voice overs and commentary from other people:
https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/exclusive-duggar-sisters-want-to-set-the-record-straight

That is so bizarre! And yes, CPS doesn't tell kids this kind of stuff. That is not how social workers interact with children.

That 2/3rds number just has to be JB making crap up for them to say.

Here is another thought. I have wondered if TLC didn't actually write a script and make them memorize it in order to keep the Duggar gravy train going.

And yes, that creep was creeping the whole time they were put on t.v. to defend him. That year, 2015, was the year TLC had a security staff for the Duggars. Interestingly, the staff members were not signed to NDA's and one of them has talked about Josh watching porn WHILE DRIVING!! So sick.

Edited December 15, 2021 by Faith-manor

[Katy]

I’m willing to consider that 2/3 of IBLP/ATI families have CSA.

[gardenmom5]

1 hour ago, Faith-manor said:

The lost boys are the ones at home. They have been almost entirely overlooked.by their parents, - snip -  Sometimes even on the show, JB and Meech acted like they couldn't remember their names, and literally paid them zero attention. It was quite noticeable especially as more and more of the older ones got married. They got dubbed The Lost Boys by the subreddit,  - snip -  " the lost kids" and Jana, Jill, Jessa, and Jinger being the only ones who new them because they have been the sister moms who raised them when they were little. Jackson, James, Jason...their sister moms even had night duty for them when they were babies as well as for "the lost girls", Johannah, Jennifer, Jordyn, and Josie.

I'm not so sure they were actually "acting" that they couldn't remember their names.  JB & M are vile.   Those kids will need therapy too.   Childhood emotional neglect.

33 minutes ago, Faith-manor said:

That is so bizarre! And yes, CPS doesn't tell kids this kind of stuff. That is not how social workers interact with children.

That 2/3rds number just has to be JB making crap up for them to say.

Here is another thought. I have wondered if TLC didn't actually write a script and make them memorize it in order to keep the Duggar gravy train going.

And yes, that creep was creeping the whole time they were put on t.v. to defend him. That year, 2015, was the year TLC had a security staff for the Duggars. Interestingly, the staff members were not signed to NDA's and one of them has talked about Josh watching porn WHILE DRIVING!! So sick.

JB wants and wanted that gravy train to continue rolling . . 

[Faith-manor]

55 minutes ago, gardenmom5 said:

I'm not so sure they were actually "acting" that they couldn't remember their names.  JB & M are vile.   Those kids will need therapy too.   Childhood emotional neglect.

JB wants and wanted that gravy train to continue rolling . . 

Yes. I mean in the one episode when one of the sister moms lost sight of her charge, Michelle didn't even act like she cared. If I were in an airport of that size and busyness and lost track of one of my young children, I would be so worried and frantically looking. And that poor frightened child went to sister mom for comfort, not biological mom and dad. That says a lot right there! So if they forgot what they named the last half of the kids, I would not be shocked. JB and Meech are disgusting!! If you can find the video of it, it is NOT normal. JB kind of laughs it off, and it was the cameraman who got their attention. Jackson had actually been lost for a bit, and picked up by airport security. JB did not take it seriously. I can't tell which girl was the sister mom, but I think it may have been Jana. He is comforted and taken care of by his sister, and what he got from his dad was a pat on the shoulder. Not that grab your baby, big bear hug, oh my goodness are you okay I am so sorry this happened to you, response we human parents would give, just a chuckle and a pat. Sit on your sister's lap, you are just a number for us to make money off of....

Edited December 15, 2021 by Faith-manor

[ktgrok]

22 minutes ago, Faith-manor said:

Yes. I mean in the one episode when one of the sister moms lost sight of her charge, Michelle didn't even act like she cared. If I were in an airport of that size and busyness and lost track of one of my young children, I would be so worried and frantically looking. And that poor frightened child went to sister mom for comfort, not biological mom and dad. That says a lot right there! So if they forgot what they named the last half of the kids, I would not be shocked. JB and Mercy are disgusting!! If you can find the video of that's it was well, NOT normal. JB kind of laughs it off, and it the cameraman who got their attention. Jackson had actually been lost for a bit, and picked up by airport security. JB did not take it seriously. I can't tell which girl was the sister mom, but I think it may have been Jana. He is comforted and taken care of by his sister, and what he got from his dad was a pat on the shoulder. Not that grab your baby, big bear hug, oh my goodness are you okay I am so sorry this happened to you, response we human parents would give, just a chuckle and a pat. Sit on your sister's lap, you are just a number for us to make money off of....

Yes! That whole thing was crazy! When my then 3 yr old got lost at the big FPEA homeschool conference I FREAKED OUT. Like, sobbing so hard I could barely breathe as I DRAGGED the 5 yr old up and down aisles looking for him, then grabbed the first worker/volunteer I could find and SOBBED out that my kid was missing, while hyperventilating, and showed her a photo I had happened to take right when we came in of him. She mobilized other volunteers over the radio and in minutes they had found him, and I was a MESS. Like, hugged him so hard he probably had bruises, lol. Sobbed, laughed, sobbed, picked his 3 yr old body up and CARRIED him out because I couldn't let him go, then we all ate ice cream while I calmed down enough to be able to drive home. 

And that was smaller than an airport! The main reason it was hard to find him was that he was shorter than the tables, and all the tables had those floor length tablecloths so even if he was 3 feet away I couldn't see him. 

Also - won't lie - at the time one of my reasons for panicking was that the FPEA is a conservative group, and we were right near the Vision Forum tables, and all I could think was about all the creeper pervert pastors and such in those fundie groups, and how a homeschool conference was the ideal place for a child predator to grab a kid. This was before the info about Josh came out, but there was enough weirdness that had come out about Gothard/Wilson/etc...and frankly, I was pretty dang sure a lot of those groups were guys into stuff that was far from Christian - too much time and effort focused on length of skirts and the best way to ritually beat your kids (and likely wives). 

Michelle and JB should have had the camera men quickly find film they had shot of the lost kid earlier in the day and shown it to airport security. And should have looked relieved to have him back!

[DawnM]

So, the facebook post......did any of you read the comments?

One man wrote, "And, once again, Jim Bob doesn't know when to pull out."

I inappropriately laughed.....🤣

[Catwoman]

13 minutes ago, DawnM said:

So, the facebook post......did any of you read the comments?

One man wrote, "And, once again, Jim Bob doesn't know when to pull out."

I inappropriately laughed.....🤣

I did, too! 😄

[Katy]

I didn’t see that, but there was some gossip on Pickle’s page this morning that was interesting. 
 

 

[DawnM]

10 minutes ago, Katy said:

I didn’t see that, but there was some gossip on Pickle’s page this morning that was interesting. 
 

 

Oh, that is juicy.

[Faith-manor]

17 minutes ago, ktgrok said:

Yes! That whole thing was crazy! When my then 3 yr old got lost at the big FPEA homeschool conference I FREAKED OUT. Like, sobbing so hard I could barely breathe as I DRAGGED the 5 yr old up and down aisles looking for him, then grabbed the first worker/volunteer I could find and SOBBED out that my kid was missing, while hyperventilating, and showed her a photo I had happened to take right when we came in of him. She mobilized other volunteers over the radio and in minutes they had found him, and I was a MESS. Like, hugged him so hard he probably had bruises, lol. Sobbed, laughed, sobbed, picked his 3 yr old body up and CARRIED him out because I couldn't let him go, then we all ate ice cream while I calmed down enough to be able to drive home. 

And that was smaller than an airport! The main reason it was hard to find him was that he was shorter than the tables, and all the tables had those floor length tablecloths so even if he was 3 feet away I couldn't see him. 

Also - won't lie - at the time one of my reasons for panicking was that the FPEA is a conservative group, and we were right near the Vision Forum tables, and all I could think was about all the creeper pervert pastors and such in those fundie groups, and how a homeschool conference was the ideal place for a child predator to grab a kid. This was before the info about Josh came out, but there was enough weirdness that had come out about Gothard/Wilson/etc...and frankly, I was pretty dang sure a lot of those groups were guys into stuff that was far from Christian - too much time and effort focused on length of skirts and the best way to ritually beat your kids (and likely wives). 

Michelle and JB should have had the camera men quickly find film they had shot of the lost kid earlier in the day and shown it to airport security. And should have looked relieved to have him back!

And that last bit about the cameramen really upsets me. There was an entire crew filming all the kids just waiting for something to happen that would be worth airing. They let that child be alone for so long that airport security got involved. So think about that. What does that say about the level of depravity of the crew? When that child was returned, he had been crying so hard he was struggling to get his breath. This means he was terrified! It could have ended sooner, and he could have been returned to his family the instant he left to the group, and went the wrong way. Nope, ratings and viewers and "drama" meant more than being decent human beings.

[HomeAgain]

I don't know how much I can fault them for their reaction to a kid getting lost.  We all react in different ways.  I lost our then-4yo at Disneyland.  I put him in front of Goofy in Toontown, stepped back, looked through the camera, and he was gone.  First thing I did was scan the area, then grab a cast member.  I wasn't hysterical or crying or frantic.  Just a calm "my kid is missing.  He's this tall and wearing x,y,z". 
Was I scared?  Yes.  I still want to cry thinking about it.  But that's not what my body said.  And he was found pretty quickly doing exactly what he was supposed to do: he had found a mommy and asked for help (moms are easy to spot, cast members wear all different things).  She took him to a bench right at the entrance to that part of the park, figuring at some point we'd see if he made his way out.  I gave him a hug, thanked her, told the cast member he was found, and we went on our day.  Freaking out would have created such strong feelings in that kid that he would have been scared to ever drop my hand.  Treating it as "things happen, and you did exactly right" was better for him and helped develop competency.
 

I rewatched the video of JB.  Jackson was missing, but by the time JB realized it the kid was already in the competent hands of security.  That's less a threat at that point than a kid who is disappeared and no trace.  He should have known quicker, but the actions after aren't terrible.

[Faith-manor]

46 minutes ago, DawnM said:

So, the facebook post......did any of you read the comments?

One man wrote, "And, once again, Jim Bob doesn't know when to pull out."

I inappropriately laughed.....🤣

Dawn, so was just drinking hot tea and spit it all over my kindle! 

[Faith-manor]

Just now, HomeAgain said:

I don't know how much I can fault them for their reaction to a kid getting lost.  We all react in different ways.  I lost our then-4yo at Disneyland.  I put him in front of Goofy in Toontown, stepped back, looked through the camera, and he was gone.  First thing I did was scan the area, then grab a cast member.  I wasn't hysterical or crying or frantic.  Just a calm "my kid is missing.  He's this tall and wearing x,y,z". 
Was I scared?  Yes.  I still want to cry thinking about it.  But that's not what my body said.  And he was found pretty quickly doing exactly what he was supposed to do: he had found a mommy and asked for help (moms are easy to spot, cast members wear all different things).  She took him to a bench right at the entrance to that part of the park, figuring at some point we'd see if he made his way out.  I gave him a hug, thanked her, told the cast member he was found, and we went on our day.  Freaking out would have created such strong feelings in that kid that he would have been scared to ever drop my hand.  Treating it as "things happen, and you did exactly right" was better for him and helped develop competency.
 

I rewatched the video of JB.  Jackson was missing, but by the time JB realized it the kid was already in the competent hands of security.  That's less a threat at that point than a kid who is disappeared and no trace.  He should have known quicker, but the actions after aren't terrible.

I disagree. That child was still crying on his "sister mom's" lap and there was no parental comfort. None. And the tape was cut and edited. It did turn out to be a fair amount of time before he was reunited with his family. There is zero excuse for the film crew allowing its and they were filming those kids just waiting for something to happen that was worth putting on t.v., and the parents did NOT take care of their child.

[itsheresomewhere]

49 minutes ago, Katy said:

I didn’t see that, but there was some gossip on Pickle’s page this morning that was interesting. 
 

 

The Arndts are whole another type of what the.  None married, all live at home and have some weird rules.  But the mom liked to wear short shorts, show shoulders  and I can’t see them being close to the Duggars.  

[Mrs Tiggywinkle]

32 minutes ago, itsheresomewhere said:

The Arndts are whole another type of what the.  None married, all live at home and have some weird rules.  But the mom liked to wear short shorts, show shoulders  and I can’t see them being close to the Duggars.  

And they’re Catholic, or were(I think they’re some random religion that the Arndt dad half made up).  They really aren’t the Duggar type or were ever in that particular fundamentalist circle.

Also, Pickles lies a lot.

[Faith-manor]

30 minutes ago, itsheresomewhere said:

The Arndts are whole another type of what the.  None married, all live at home and have some weird rules.  But the mom liked to wear short shorts, show shoulders  and I can’t see them being close to the Duggars.  

Okay, whatever that "gossip" was, it sounded pretty crazy except I could totally see his siblings being sick of him and refusing to give compassion statements or whatever. 

I don't know much about the Arndts. What little I do know is basically nuts. If you made a dressing container of Duggars, Bates, Kellers, Arndts, and Pearls, have it a vigorous shake, and poured out the mixture, it would be glowing green and have three heads! 

[maize]

I really hate that these kinds of people are where many get their impressions of what big families are like.

I grew up in a double digits, religiously observant family.

And...our life had nothing whatsoever in common with the Duggars.

But then, families like mine weren't putting themselves out there on TV.

[itsheresomewhere]

10 minutes ago, Mrs Tiggywinkle said:

And they’re Catholic, or were(I think they’re some random religion that the Arndt dad half made up).  They really aren’t the Duggar type or were ever in that particular fundamentalist circle.

Also, Pickles lies a lot.

The dad did try to start a church at home with his random made up religion.  Last I heard, the dad was kind of begging for money on social media.