Faith-manor Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 There were some more government and defense motions that were ruled on today. If you want a chart, the Duggar subreddit forum has it. I couldn't get it to copy and paste here. The main takeaways were that the government can introduce into evidence that the computer was made in China. I thought this was odd. Practically everything electronic is made in China these days. So I was confused. I haven't seen Emily Baker's explanation on it, but a suggestion in the comments was that it may have to do with commerce law, international commerce and dealing in CSA materials. I would like to hear what that was about. The witnesses will be sequestered during the trial, and are not allowed to talk about their testimony. The defense wanted that, and though I want the slime to be tossed into a pit like Alcatraz, I can see it. Plus, I think it may lessen the chance of appeal because the defense also cannot claim that the witnesses tainted each other's testimony. Faulkner will not be allowed to say the video is the worst he has ever seen. Seems like he is an expert, and it shouldn't be considered prejudicial. On the other hand, I guess it is subjective because god help the children, there might be something even worse lurking on the dark web. I don't even want to entertain the thought, and I feel bad for everyone involved in that courtroom except the perp who has to contemplate that. The "talk" is that unfortunately for the jury, this will probably be replaced with even more graphic, written reports of the images in order to leave no stone unturned. I didn't see anything in jury sequestering, but maybe that was already agreed upon. Perp has invoked the 5th so I leave you to consider that. I don't think it is a good look for him, but I think with his arrogant attitude and the whole Duggar demeanor, he would be shredded on the stand. The DA cannot introduce statements referring to his admission of addiction to adult pornography because the prosecution cannot make a connection between that addiction and a straight line to CSA. However, it was worded in a way like the prosecution cannot introduce statements as evidence, but it didn't seem to say that a witness cannot say it. So I really do not know how that works. The defense is allowed to enter evidence of third party culpability. And that seems right. However, the evidence is that he installed the partition on the Linux server and they can prove that was him apparently. The passwords were his bank passwords. They can prove he was alone at the dealership when he downloaded the video. They have date stamp, time because this thing is tracked meticulously by the feds because it is so bad. And because the defense wants to claim "someone else did it", the prosecution can introduce testimony of some cellmate at the jail where Perp was held. If the defense claims he is too good a person to do this, then the government can bring up the Ashley Madison and confession to the molestations though he was never charged. So if the defense tries to play the character card, then that opens the door to otherwise inadmissible evidence. There are witnesses on the list for the government concerning the assaults. No names released which makes sense for sure because this whole thing has to be just beyond hideous for them! The deadline to beg the judge for a change of plea is Friday. He demoted his attorney to deputy counsel, and hired someone new. The judge allowed it. The report did not say if there are any remaining motions to be ruled upon. Don't play a lawyer on t.v. It in real life! Just relaying the recent developments. I have to wonder what Thanksgiving at the Rebers is going to be like! 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prairiewindmomma Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 Not only did he invoke the 5th, the motion asked for by the defense and granted today was to block the jury from hearing evidence about how he invoked the 5th---ie what questions the law enforcement asked that led him to invoke the 5th amendment. I was kind of hoping we'd hear that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faith-manor Posted November 18, 2021 Author Share Posted November 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, prairiewindmomma said: Not only did he invoke the 5th, the motion asked for by the defense and granted today was to block the jury from hearing evidence about how he invoked the 5th---ie what questions the law enforcement asked that led him to invoke the 5th amendment. I was kind of hoping we'd hear that. That seems sooooooo incriminating. I do feel like this motion hamstrings the prosecution so I hope they have a lot of other stuff to bring to the table. My guess is that the witness list is going to be really damaging to the defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prairiewindmomma Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 Thanksgiving..... I honestly think they are conniving people. I think Madyson was named what she was to alter the algorithm of people searching for Duggar + Ashley Madison. (May we all be smart enough to put that into quotes when we use google.) I think the release of her birth information was timed to divert the media attention, just like JB's campaign run was. I don't think they are aware of how this is all coming across to everyone else. Hannah Reber and David Keller are getting married this weekend. I suspect the Thanksgiving talk will be about that, and how cute baby Madyson is. Madyson, who was conceived and born AFTER his latest arrest. I don't think well of Anna for essentially abandoning her kids to be raised at the tatertot house while she's been hanging out at the Rebers. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faith-manor Posted November 18, 2021 Author Share Posted November 18, 2021 The wedding was bumped up from Dec. 11, so I guess they wanted a chance to have wedding spotlight before the trial Agreed about Anna. My guess is that since Perp can't be around any children but his own, either it is the Rebers, Josh, Anna, and kids and no one else for TDay or Anna goes to JBob's for Tday, and Rebers are stuck with Josh alone. I am not sure what journalists are going to cover the trial. Cameras/filming are not allowed in this case. I would like to find updates from a reliable source with a deep legal background instead of all the sensationalist reports there will inevitably be. I am not sure how to find it. I would prefer written articles/synopsis over having to watch YouTube videos with ads and graphics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prairiewindmomma Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 Can we talk about the Kellers for a minute? Mike and Suzette are completely unhealthy in their own right. They scheduled one 15 minute meeting a week with each of their kids growing up. Mike left a decent job as a welder to go run a prison ministry. Anna and Priscilla somehow end up in Journey to the Heart. Anna meets Josh at a homeschooling conference, but isn't allowed to discuss her feelings about him with her siblings (only her mom), and goes on to have a very strict courtship before marrying someone her parents knew had major issues. Esther: has 12 kids, lives in Zambia as a missionary since 2012 Rebekah: 2 kids, divorced, remarried, out of IBLP Daniel: married 2008, shunned by his parents 2011-2014, adopted a kid 2012, divorced 2016; one of the few to publicly support Anna and condemn her husband's behaviors Priscilla: married to David Waller, who works for ATI, currently expecting baby #6 Susanna: broken engagement March 2012, shacked up and pregnant by some dude named Jonathan June 2012, baby born January 2013 and she lives with sister Rebekah in TX, married York Bridges 2019. Supposedly the Duggars required Anna to break public contact with Susanna back in 2012, and disobeyed JB by attending the 2019 wedding. Nathan: married fellow fundie Nurie Rodrigues David: set to marry Hannah Anna has precedent among her own siblings for leaving IBLP and divorce, but isn't doing so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faith-manor Posted November 18, 2021 Author Share Posted November 18, 2021 Well yes, the Kellers are another kettle of fish, and a lot of it rather stinky. They were pretty radical, and that whole "scheduling fifteen minutes thing" is hero worship of Susannah Wesley who birthed 18 kids two of whom are famous in Methodism, and this was her method of "parenting". Fifteen minutes and a LOT of beatings. Methodists don't really hold her up as much of a hero of the faith. It is not surprising that IBLP quiverfuls would just adore her! 😠 The problem with IBLP is that it requires the setting aside of free will so that once the parents convert to it, the kids upon adulthood still do not exercise will. But that doesn't seem to work. The Bradricks? Married Kelly to Doug Phillips favorite intern, four babies in four years, Kelly nearly hemorrhaged to death with the last one, they became disillusioned, moved, got divorced, and Braddock ran off and let the kids. She is in Washington State, and he is on the East Coast. Jeff Botkin? Two spinster daughters, and one of the boys utterly rejected the family, married a lovely woman who has an engineering degree, lives a fairly secular life. Voddie Baucham (sp?), his prize daughter, Jasmine, college degree, career, not quivering though she still has some very fundie beliefs. RC Sproul Jr? Adult kids abandoned him, trying to get custody of their minor aged sibling. Duggars? JBob's favorite Jill? Not quivering, admits to spacing their children and using BC, enjoys alcohol occasionally, estranged from family, wears jeans, colors hair, children in public school. Josh? Speaks for itself. Jana? Unmarried reaching spinster age. Jinger? Living it up in California, admits to spacing their children out, wrote a book about rejecting some of her parents' IBlP beliefs. Maxwells who were just as crazy off the deep as Duggars now have a daughter in college, the very thing they railed against like nutsy tantruming. Pearl's? Shoshonnah legally married the one that daddy Pearl bragged about not needing Tennessee to "bless" the marriage with a license just so she could legally file for divorce to get away from the guy. Ma and Pa not happy! Doug Phillips kids? Joshua married, one child, not quivering. Some of the girls have goner to college, worked as models, hold secular jobs to support their mother because he doesn't support the family anymore, and ran off to Europe to do Cinematography for a Burlesque group, and posts photos of him with all kinds of young women. Meanwhile, Beall lives in a hovel, cleans houses and sells plasma to try to make ends meet, and posts on Instagram all the time not divorced but no Doug in sight, kids doing their own thing. Bates's also have kids with issues. They miss the fundamental truth that religious belief is personal. You can try to oppress their personhoods, shelter them, beat it into them, manipulate them, gaslight them, a host of knocking the religion into them, but in the end, they choose. And for the ones that do not follow, all the parents have done is ruined their relationships with their kids, exacted horrific emotional, spiritual, mental, and physical abuse on their kids, and in the case of the Duggar girls sexual abuse as well. The system fails, miserably, on a fairly regular basis. It is why IBLP doesn't really grow. It keeps trying to replace those that flee with new converts. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherNewName Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 1 hour ago, prairiewindmomma said: Not only did he invoke the 5th, the motion asked for by the defense and granted today was to block the jury from hearing evidence about how he invoked the 5th---ie what questions the law enforcement asked that led him to invoke the 5th amendment. I was kind of hoping we'd hear that. Correct decision. Allowing the prosecution to bring up anything about the 5th could easily influence the jury. Many people still assume that pleading the 5th indicates guilt when in reality is often the smart thing to do, whether guilty or not. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faith-manor Posted November 18, 2021 Author Share Posted November 18, 2021 Already hate the Perp, and now hating his lawyers. I just watched the video of them going to and leaving the courthouse - pretrial hearing - and Anna is only 26 days post partum with child number 7. She walked like she was in pain. Scum bag had her by the hand walking has fast as he could just dragging her along. Lawyers were taking jolly green giant steps. Four men, and no one helped her up the steps. She tried steadying herself with an arm on Perp's back. He never slowed down, never helped her, and not one of those lawyers did either. It was practically a jog those guys did to get to the parking lot, and he was dragging her. It was obvious she was in severe pain, and began limping with a gait that was practically bow legged. Nope. Just drag the woman along. Perp let the door close in her face both times, no one opened the door for her at their vehicle. I guess he got himself some nice a$$hats for attorneys with the same scrappy idea towards women who have recently given birth that he does. 😠😠😠 1 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie G Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 That walk out of the courthouse today makes it clear that Josh only cares about himself. What an a$$ 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faith-manor Posted November 18, 2021 Author Share Posted November 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Annie G said: That walk out of the courthouse today makes it clear that Josh only cares about himself. What an a$$ Yes, and Jbob has to be in hiding if they can't serve a subpoena to a guy running for public office with multiple businesses in town and a house everyone knows. I mean I suppose he could have coincidentally been out of town on business when they tried to track him down, but this is DugagrSmuggar who thinks he is above the law, so hiding out would be consistent with his personality. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurie Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Faith-manor said: Already hate the Perp, and now hating his lawyers. I just watched the video of them going to and leaving the courthouse - pretrial hearing - and Anna is only 26 days post partum with child number 7. She walked like she was in pain. Scum bag had her by the hand walking has fast as he could just dragging her along. Lawyers were taking jolly green giant steps. Four men, and no one helped her up the steps. She tried steadying herself with an arm on Perp's back. He never slowed down, never helped her, and not one of those lawyers did either. It was practically a jog those guys did to get to the parking lot, and he was dragging her. It was obvious she was in severe pain, and began limping with a gait that was practically bow legged. Nope. Just drag the woman along. Perp let the door close in her face both times, no one opened the door for her at their vehicle. I guess he got himself some nice a$$hats for attorneys with the same scrappy idea towards women who have recently given birth that he does. 😠😠😠 I was stunned reading your description so I looked online for the videos. Where did you see the videos, because the two that I saw don't look at all to me like what you're describing. Not at all. Anna is wearing heels. She didn't look like she was in pain to me, FWIW, just walking not very gracefully. To me, she didn't look like she was struggling at all to walk up the stairs, and was putting her hand lightly on her creepy husband's back. But I didn't see anyone dragging her along the way you describe. I didn't see the door closing in her face either time. When they entered the building, one man (an a$$hat?) held open the door for the entire group. When they were leaving, it looked to me like it was a different doorway, the door was narrow, and as each person walked out they seemed to be carefully holding it open until the person behind could take hold of it. The video I watched showed the car they were walking to, but they went to the other side to get in so I couldn't see anyone opening a door. I'm not nominating JD for father or husband of the year by any means. But let me know where you watched the videos that match your description above. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catwoman Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Faith-manor said: Already hate the Perp, and now hating his lawyers. I just watched the video of them going to and leaving the courthouse - pretrial hearing - and Anna is only 26 days post partum with child number 7. She walked like she was in pain. Scum bag had her by the hand walking has fast as he could just dragging her along. Lawyers were taking jolly green giant steps. Four men, and no one helped her up the steps. She tried steadying herself with an arm on Perp's back. He never slowed down, never helped her, and not one of those lawyers did either. It was practically a jog those guys did to get to the parking lot, and he was dragging her. It was obvious she was in severe pain, and began limping with a gait that was practically bow legged. Nope. Just drag the woman along. Perp let the door close in her face both times, no one opened the door for her at their vehicle. I guess he got himself some nice a$$hats for attorneys with the same scrappy idea towards women who have recently given birth that he does. 😠😠😠 17 minutes ago, Laurie said: I was stunned reading your description so I looked online for the videos. Where did you see the videos, because the two that I saw don't look at all to me like what you're describing. Not at all. Anna is wearing heels. She didn't look like she was in pain to me, FWIW, just walking not very gracefully. To me, she didn't look like she was struggling at all to walk up the stairs, and was putting her hand lightly on her creepy husband's back. But I didn't see anyone dragging her along the way you describe. I didn't see the door closing in her face either time. When they entered the building, one man (an a$$hat?) held open the door for the entire group. When they were leaving, it looked to me like it was a different doorway, the door was narrow, and as each person walked out they seemed to be carefully holding it open until the person behind could take hold of it. The video I watched showed the car they were walking to, but they went to the other side to get in so I couldn't see anyone opening a door. I'm not nominating JD for father or husband of the year by any means. But let me know where you watched the videos that match your description above. Are these the same videos you two saw? If so, I have to agree with @Laurie on this, because Anna seems perfectly fine to me. But I'm thinking that maybe @Faith-manor saw different videos? I'm hoping she will post a link. https://twitter.com/Garrett_Photo/status/1461366359997267971 Edited November 18, 2021 by Catwoman Deleted embedded link because it only showed one of the two videos 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawnM Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 31 minutes ago, Laurie said: I was stunned reading your description so I looked online for the videos. Where did you see the videos, because the two that I saw don't look at all to me like what you're describing. Not at all. Anna is wearing heels. She didn't look like she was in pain to me, FWIW, just walking not very gracefully. To me, she didn't look like she was struggling at all to walk up the stairs, and was putting her hand lightly on her creepy husband's back. But I didn't see anyone dragging her along the way you describe. I didn't see the door closing in her face either time. When they entered the building, one man (an a$$hat?) held open the door for the entire group. When they were leaving, it looked to me like it was a different doorway, the door was narrow, and as each person walked out they seemed to be carefully holding it open until the person behind could take hold of it. The video I watched showed the car they were walking to, but they went to the other side to get in so I couldn't see anyone opening a door. I'm not nominating JD for father or husband of the year by any means. But let me know where you watched the videos that match your description above. I saw the same one you did but am interested in seeing the one Faith is referring to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildflowerMom Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 I just watched a couple vids. I think she (they) was just trying to walk quickly away from the media and into the waiting car. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Tiggywinkle Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 I think the biggest revelation today is that the state has subpeoned Bobye Holt(and the elusive JB, who they can’t find to serve) as Josh apparently confessed sexually assaulting a girl to her or she has knowledge of it. Unfortunately, I think there’s no way the identities of his victims isn’t going to be revealed. We know the Duggar sisters, but they’ve kept the identity of the babysitter quiet. I am sure that’s going to come out now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catwoman Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 1 hour ago, WildflowerMom said: I just watched a couple vids. I think she (they) was just trying to walk quickly away from the media and into the waiting car. That was my impression, as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottakee Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 The computer stuff is so they can go with federal charges, crossing state and maybe international lines. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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