Hydrogen peroxide in nebulizer for covid 😡

[busymama7]

Someone close to me is unvaccinated, positive and symptomatic.  I urged asking about monoclonal antibodies which she said she would. But then she said she is using hydrogen peroxide in her nebulizer and it's safe because she mixed it properly.  I want to cry.  I hadn't heard about this but just read a bunch and I can't imagine this is a good idea.   This person has autoimmune issues, fibromyalgia etc.  Didn't take the vaccine because of concerns about making these issues worse.  I cautioned that the choices were get covid vaccinated or get it unvaccinated. That not getting wasn't much of an option as everyone would likely get it eventually. And catching it was likely to make things worse too.  Her vaccinated husband brought it home and barely noticed the sickness. Because he's vaccinated!!!!!  Just venting.  I really don't want to lose this person.  Early 50s and lots of life left to live 😭

Edited October 29, 2021 by busymama7

[KSera]

I’m sorry. This stuff is so, so frustrating. They’re afraid the vaccine might be harmful, yet they’re fine with nebulizing hydrogen peroxide into their lungs? I hope she might reconsider and get the monoclonal antibodies. Maybe you could send her this graphic from the asthma and allergy foundation.

 

Edited October 29, 2021 by KSera
Clarified to avoid distraction

[desertflower]

I’m so sorry.  *hugs*

[Halftime Hope]

So there are some functional med doctors that used nebulized peroxide as one part of a multi-pronged approach to treatment.  It seems foolish to use it alone. Personally, my first stop would be the monoclonal anti-bodies while also pursuing other complementary treatments. She really, really needs to be under a doctor's care getting early outpatient treatment.  

She *has* to go get the mAb treatment while an outpatient: that is JOB ONE. While some hospitals have infusion sites on their campuses, the rule, at least in my area, is that hospitals will NOT give infusions once someone is admitted.  She HAS to have a plan and someone to treat her early, which includes ordering/referring her for a monoclonal antibody treatment.

At this point, vaxxed or not, if one is a high risk patient, not having an early treatment plan is courting disaster. 

This article https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8289588/ has a lot of good reference material (see footnotes, specifically) for use of nebulized and gargled H202. (Note that when they refer to patients in this small observational study as using nasal washes, they later specify that that means "washes with nebulized peroxide.")

Bleach (generally labeled as sodium hypochlorite) and H202 are not the same chemical at all; so the quote about "nebulizing bleach into your lungs" is ridiculous.

Mass market information on household bleaches/bleaching agents and health: https://draxe.com/health/dangers-of-bleach/)     

And as to the red meme: there are many treatments used effectively around the globe that are discounted here in the US by medical specialty/administrative groups. Tale as old as time. 

Edited October 29, 2021 by Halftime Hope

[PeterPan]

Is it possible her oxygen is dropping and she's not thinking clearly and doesn't realize she's not thinking clearly to problem solve? Maybe her dh could be persuaded to get her help? 

[busymama7]

16 minutes ago, Halftime Hope said:

So there are some functional med doctors that used nebulized peroxide as one part of a multi-pronged approach to treatment.  I definitely wouldn't use it alone.  My first stop would be the monoclonal anti-bodies while she pursues all her other treatments. She really, really needs to be under a doctor's care getting early outpatient treatment.  

She *has* to go get the mAbs treatment while an outpatient: that is JOB ONE. While some hospitals have infusion sites on their campuses, the rule, at least in my area, is that hospitals will NOT give infusions once someone is admitted.  She HAS to have a plan and someone to treat her early, which includes ordering/referring her for a monoclonal antibody treatment.

At this point, vaxxed or not, if one is a high risk patient, not having an early treatment plan is courting disaster. 

This article https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8289588/ has a lot of good reference material (see footnotes, specifically) for use of nebulized and gargled H202. (Note that when they refer to patients in this small observational study as using nasal washes, they later specify that that means "washes with nebulized peroxide.")

Bleach (generally labeled as sodium hypochlorite) and H202 are not the same chemical at all; so the quote about "nebulizing bleach into your lungs" is ridiculous.

Mass market information on household bleaches/bleaching agents and health: https://draxe.com/health/dangers-of-bleach/)     

And as to the red meme: there are many treatments used effectively around the globe that are discounted here in the US by medical specialty/administrative groups. Tale as old as time. 

She does have both a nature path and an MD and is in communication with both.  I am hoping she gets approval for the MA tomorrow 🙏.

It is so freaking hard to trust what is truth at this point but I was listening to mainstream organizations because I lean towards trusting the majority and not some fringe practitioner who has the true answers no one else does 🙄. 

[busymama7]

11 minutes ago, PeterPan said:

Is it possible her oxygen is dropping and she's not thinking clearly and doesn't realize she's not thinking clearly to problem solve? Maybe her dh could be persuaded to get her help? 

I asked her to order a pulse ox and as far as I know she did. This is only day 2 and she really isn't too bad off at this point. 

[Halftime Hope]

2 minutes ago, busymama7 said:

I asked her to order a pulse ox and as far as I know she did. This is only day 2 and she really isn't too bad off at this point. 

Wishing her well! (And you, too, as you walk through this with her. )

[PeterPan]

17 minutes ago, busymama7 said:

I asked her to order a pulse ox and as far as I know she did. This is only day 2 and she really isn't too bad off at this point. 

The bummer is the monoclonal antibodies need to be started pretty quickly. I don't know, that's the part that blows my mind. We had a friend (80s) just pass from covid and this person refused both the vax and the treatments. I get the vax thing (even if I don't agree), but skipping the treatments just makes zero sense to me. 

[BeachGal]

1 hour ago, Halftime Hope said:

And as to the red meme: there are many treatments used effectively around the globe that are discounted here in the US by medical specialty/administrative groups. Tale as old as time. 

Very true. I am not talking about using nebulized H2O2 here, but the US, although large, is in many ways an insular country. Treatments that are used successfully elsewhere are ignored here, even discredited, and it is largely because of industry influence over governing agencies — which is a conflict of interest. Those agencies are “captured” and controlled/influenced by the very industry they are supposed to be overseeing. It’s common and protects the industry oftentimes at the expense of citizens.

[KSera]

1 hour ago, Halftime Hope said:

Bleach (generally labeled as sodium hypochlorite) and H202 are not the same chemical at all; so the quote about "nebulizing bleach into your lungs" is ridiculous.

I didn’t say nebulizing sodium hypochlorite. I said bleach in the colloquial sense, as hydrogen peroxide is used here as hair bleach. Choosing to do that but not accept any of well tested preventative or treatment methods because one is worried they might be harmful still makes no sense to me. This is where misinformation has gotten to people and led them astray. 

[TravelingChris]

3 hours ago, KSera said:

I didn’t say nebulizing sodium hypochlorite. I said bleach in the colloquial sense, as hydrogen peroxide is used here as hair bleach. Choosing to do that but not accept any of well tested preventative or treatment methods because one is worried they might be harmful still makes no sense to me. This is where misinformation has gotten to people and led them astray. 

I do not consider H2O2 to be bleach and neither do most people- I mean people used to use H2O2 to sterilize wounds.  It isn't recommended anymore due to more damage to skin cells that need to heal the person but no one has recommended Chlorox to sterilize wounds ever, as far as I remember.  

[MEmama]

My MIL believes that drinking tonic water prevents covid. She frantically called DH with the “news”. 
 

Wonder what show she heard that on. /s

[ktgrok]

3 hours ago, TravelingChris said:

I do not consider H2O2 to be bleach and neither do most people- I mean people used to use H2O2 to sterilize wounds.  It isn't recommended anymore due to more damage to skin cells that need to heal the person but no one has recommended Chlorox to sterilize wounds ever, as far as I remember.  

off topic really, but dilute bleach baths actually are advised for some skin conditions. 

That said, yeah, peroxide is irritating to tissue.

[Acadie]

8 hours ago, PeterPan said:

The bummer is the monoclonal antibodies need to be started pretty quickly. 

This! There's a window of opportunity for monoclonal antibodies that passes, and with your friend's risk factors I really hope she decides to pursue it and can access it locally in time. She definitely shouldn't wait until she's feeling awful--it's generally too late then.

I have a friend who runs a Covid unit who is trying to find ways to get monoclonal antibodies to more people, before they end up in her ICU. She organized a program where several docs go to nursing homes having Covid outbreaks and give everyone who is positive or high risk monocolonal antibodies by injection (you need more than one, but it's more practical in this situation than infusion.)

Heartbreaking that at this stage of the pandemic we still have nursing home outbreaks where Covid is raging out of control just like the early days, with residents and staff getting sick, resulting in dangerous levels of understaffing. 

Edited October 29, 2021 by Acadie

[Ausmumof3]

1 hour ago, MEmama said:

My MIL believes that drinking tonic water prevents covid. She frantically called DH with the “news”. 
 

Wonder what show she heard that on. /s

Tonic water sold out here when it first took off I think maybe because of the quinine thing (linked to the whole hydroxychloroquine thing)

[PeterPan]

41 minutes ago, Acadie said:

I have a friend who runs a Covid unit who is trying to find ways to get monoclonal antibodies to more people, before they end up in her ICU. She organized a program where several docs go to nursing homes having Covid outbreaks and give everyone who is positive or high risk monocolonal antibodies by injection (you need more than one, but it's more practical in this situation than infusion.)

Wow, what a service! My father is in AL, so I love the thought that someone is trying to help people like this. ❤️

[PeterPan]

46 minutes ago, Acadie said:

Heartbreaking that at this stage of the pandemic we still have nursing home outbreaks where Covid is raging out of control

You would *think* they would work hard on prevention, simply to protect their bottom line! The system my dad is in (levels of care on one campus) is fastidious about safety and prevention. Not more than what the state says but fully what the state says. They've had very few cases. I tend to also think they have very happy employees, which helps the process. (compliance, caring about their behaviors at home, etc.)

[Laura Corin]

1 hour ago, PeterPan said:

You would *think* they would work hard on prevention, simply to protect their bottom line! The system my dad is in (levels of care on one campus) is fastidious about safety and prevention. Not more than what the state says but fully what the state says. They've had very few cases. I tend to also think they have very happy employees, which helps the process. (compliance, caring about their behaviors at home, etc.)

In the UK the facilities that have been least affected were those with permanent staff. Agency workers unwittingly spread the disease between other facilities,  especially early on.

[TCB]

This is a little off topic but about possible Covid treatments from around the world. 
I was listening to a Medcram podcast and they were discussing Ivermectin. There are several countries doing studies, at least 2 going on in the USA, which is good. The Dr mentioned that it is necessary to study it in the US rather than assuming the same things occur here. One of the things he talked about was the prevalence of undiagnosed parasitic infections in countries in South America and Africa etc, apparently as much as 50-60% of the population. He said one confounding factor with the finding of decreased mortality in those populations is that giving them large doses of steroids might cause the parasites to increase and flourish. If your study is giving some patients Ivermectin and not others, you might see a decrease in mortality caused by the effect of Ivermectin on the parasites rather than Covid. It will be interesting to see the results of studies here and in Europe and they will hopefully shed some good light on the true effects of using Ivermectin.

[BeachGal]

nevermind

Edited October 29, 2021 by BeachGal

[Jean in Newcastle]

5 hours ago, MEmama said:

My MIL believes that drinking tonic water prevents covid. She frantically called DH with the “news”. 
 

Wonder what show she heard that on. /s

Linked to the quinine, and HCQ as someone else said.  But she needs to know that too much tonic water can cause bad stomach cramps.  And in some people, it can cause worse things like heart arrhythmia.  But most likely stomach pain and diarrhea.  (which might dissuade her on it's own if it happens to her.) 

[TravelingChris]

5 minutes ago, Jean in Newcastle said:

Linked to the quinine, and HCQ as someone else said.  But she needs to know that too much tonic water can cause bad stomach cramps.  And in some people, it can cause worse things like heart arrhythmia.  But most likely stomach pain and diarrhea.  (which might dissuade her on it's own if it happens to her.) 

HCQ cause stomach issues in people who use it for rheumatological issues but those resolve after about two weeks for most.  It also lightens hair color.  And it does not cause heart arrhythmias in rheumatological doses- it is never a warning at all -and one of the Rheumatological societies had a statement that it just doesn't happen in rheumatology patients.  

Edited October 29, 2021 by TravelingChris

[TCB]

1 hour ago, BeachGal said:

I don’t know if your question was to me but I’m not in favor of ignoring these treatments at all. I’m just jaded by the people that jump on the band wagon of some of these treatments that have not been shown to convincingly do what they say they do, and then villainize the people who have been slogging away for months and months trying to save lives. And what is more frustrating is they tend to jump from one med, that is disproved, to another, with no acknowledgement that actually they were wrong about the previous one, and then wonder why we’re all not jumping up and down to accept, without convincing evidence, what they say about the latest one.

I would also add that those Drs looking after the sickest Covid patients, have been working their guts out, for so long, with minimal breaks, while trying to keep up with all the latest research, so thinking they can realistically try any med someone has suggested as possibly beneficial, before the evidence comes in, is nonsensical.

Rant over. Sorry

Edited October 29, 2021 by TCB

[Frances]

41 minutes ago, BeachGal said:

Other treatments don't necessarily mean using ivermectin, which is being studied at Oxford.

Italy, for example, is offering ozone autohemotherapy as a treatment option to patients and it has been working very well, even in patients who were almost dead; yet where is the fair and honest media coverage in the US? Why isn't it discussed in the US? Why isn't it part of a well-designed study in the US?

In fact, MDs (MDs from very good medical schools) who offer it in the US have been videotaping some of their consenting, definitively diagnosed Covid patients while they receive ozone autohemotherapy, usually in the form of a 10-pass which takes about 2 hours.

I have watched these. Typically around the 1-hour mark, the patients' coughing subsides substantially, their headaches go away and they begin to feel better. Typically by day 2 they feel almost 100% better.

So tell me, why are we not studying a treatment that has shown success elsewhere and here in the US that costs no more than $1,000 and shortens stays or doesn't require hospitalization? Fewer passes cost even less. Italy only does one to a few passes per day. Administration can be done in other ways as well and can cost even less and done at home.

Interestingly, YouTube removes all of these "misinformed" videos. If it's discussed on Reddit, it's removed. The interview that Bill Clinton's MD, Mark Hyman, did with MD Paolo Tordiglione in Italy often gets removed from Reddit and YouTube when it appears. Why? Hyman uses ozone on himself, btw.

People hear the word ozone and wrongly believe that it's breathed in. When properly administered using medical grade equipment and pure oxygen, it's actually very safe. It was used in the US before antibiotics came along. It's used by elite athletes as a way to dope without detection. I use it whenever I have a Covid symptom. No problems and no complaints.

I think it's very disappointing that it's not being used in the US and is being maligned. Not surprising, either, sadly.

How is it simultaneously not being used in the US and videotaped being used in the US?

How do you know it’s not being studied in the US? How do you know it’s not being discussed by medical professionals in the US? I’ll take your word that info on it is being removed from social media. But personally, I don’t see something being removed from social media as evidence that’s it not being discussed by healthcare professionals or studied. Then again, I don’t choose to get my medical advice from social media, so maybe I’m an outlier.

[BeachGal]

nevermind

Edited October 29, 2021 by BeachGal

[BeachGal]

nevermind

Edited October 29, 2021 by BeachGal

[Mona]

1 hour ago, TCB said:

This is a little off topic but about possible Covid treatments from around the world. 
I was listening to a Medcram podcast and they were discussing Ivermectin. There are several countries doing studies, at least 2 going on in the USA, which is good. The Dr mentioned that it is necessary to study it in the US rather than assuming the same things occur here. One of the things he talked about was the prevalence of undiagnosed parasitic infections in countries in South America and Africa etc, apparently as much as 50-60% of the population. He said one confounding factor with the finding of decreased mortality in those populations is that giving them large doses of steroids might cause the parasites to increase and flourish. If your study is giving some patients Ivermectin and not others, you might see a decrease in mortality caused by the effect of Ivermectin on the parasites rather than Covid. It will be interesting to see the results of studies here and in Europe and they will hopefully shed some good light on the true effects of using Ivermectin.

I recently heard that after Japan halted the vaccines (namely Moderna) due to contaminants being found in the vials, they started giving people Ivermectin. It’s being reported that they’ve kicked covid in 30 days. 

[Mona]

I’ve also heard of hydrogen peroxide being used in nebulizers as an alternative treatment for covid, but don’t know much about it. I noticed that there are articles in Orthomolecular journals with positive findings, so it’s not unheard of. Most medical schools won’t carry orthomolecular journals because they don’t push pharmaceuticals therefore, doesn’t make big pharma any money. JMHO Nebulizing hydrogen peroxide wouldn’t be my first choice of treatment. Sorry your friend is sick.

Edited October 29, 2021 by Mona

[Jean in Newcastle]

32 minutes ago, TravelingChris said:

HCQ cause stomach issues in people who use it for rheumatological issues but those resolve after about two weeks for most.  It also lightens hair color.  And it does not cause heart arrhythmias in rheumatological doses- it is never a warning at all -and one of the Rheumatological societies had a statement that it just doesn't happen in rheumatology patients.  

You misread my post.  I was talking about tonic water.  The stomach problems with tonic water are well documented. 

[Jean in Newcastle]

8 minutes ago, Mona said:

I recently heard that after Japan halted the vaccines (namely Moderna) due to contaminants being found in the vials, they started giving people Ivermectin. It’s being reported that they’ve kicked covid in 30 days. 

False information.  My friends in Japan are very much impacted by Covid. 

[Corraleno]

8 minutes ago, Mona said:

I recently heard that after Japan halted the vaccines (namely Moderna) due to contaminants being found in the vials, they started giving people Ivermectin. It’s being reported that they’ve kicked covid in 30 days. 

This is false information being circulated on social media. The Japanese government has not approved ivermectin for covid and is still using Moderna.

[TCB]

6 minutes ago, Mona said:

I recently heard that after Japan halted the vaccines (namely Moderna) due to contaminants being found in the vials, they started giving people Ivermectin. It’s being reported that they’ve kicked covid in 30 days. 

Any chance you have a reference for all this?

I looked at the graph of vaccinations in Japan, it doesn’t look like they have stopped vaccinating at all.

[TCB]

Here is the article I got that graph from. For some reason I couldn’t get it to add to my previous post.

https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/japan/

[PeterPan]

1 hour ago, BeachGal said:

10-pass

The clinic where I go for HBOT has this but they won't have you in when you're sick. 

[TCB]

50 minutes ago, BeachGal said:

I agree with you. That’s what makes all the push for none proven meds even more unhelpful - it muddies the waters and makes it harder to make progress.

Edited October 29, 2021 by TCB

[BeachGal]

@TCB  @Frances and anyone else who has quoted me, would you please delete my quotes. I am going to bow out.

[Jean in Newcastle]

15 minutes ago, Mona said:

I’ve also heard of hydrogen peroxide being used in nebulizers as an alternative treatment for covid, but don’t know much about it. I noticed that there are articles in Orthomolecular journals with positive findings, so it’s not unheard of. Most medical schools won’t carry orthomolecular journals because they don’t push pharmaceuticals therefore, doesn’t make big pharma any money. JMHO Nebulizing hydrogen peroxide wouldn’t be my first choice of treatment. Sorry your friend is sick.

The top producer of hydrogen peroxide in the US, Univar Solutions, makes $9.3 billion dollars in annual revenue.  That's big pharma right there.  Tricking yourself into thinking that these products are not made for money by big medical manufacturers is . . .   foolish.

Hydrogen peroxide is for cleaning SURFACES and that's what even the manufacturers of Hydrogen peroxide are pushing with regards to Covid.  Taking a product that is primarily for surface disinfectant, internally, is not just foolish but dangerously so. 

You might not have this as a first choice of treatment but you're also promoting false information. 

[Dmmetler]

2 hours ago, TCB said:

This is a little off topic but about possible Covid treatments from around the world. 
I was listening to a Medcram podcast and they were discussing Ivermectin. There are several countries doing studies, at least 2 going on in the USA, which is good. The Dr mentioned that it is necessary to study it in the US rather than assuming the same things occur here. One of the things he talked about was the prevalence of undiagnosed parasitic infections in countries in South America and Africa etc, apparently as much as 50-60% of the population. He said one confounding factor with the finding of decreased mortality in those populations is that giving them large doses of steroids might cause the parasites to increase and flourish. If your study is giving some patients Ivermectin and not others, you might see a decrease in mortality caused by the effect of Ivermectin on the parasites rather than Covid. It will be interesting to see the results of studies here and in Europe and they will hopefully shed some good light on the true effects of using Ivermectin.

I've seen a couple of docs post on Twitter that they have used Ivermectin on COVID patients for that reason-they're testing for parasites before giving steroids, and it's not all that uncommon for people to have them and not know it. So, those folks could legitimately think they got Ivermectin for COVID, when actually it was treating a separate infection that otherwise would complicate treatment for COVID. 

[Alicia64]

6 hours ago, Acadie said:

This! There's a window of opportunity for monoclonal antibodies that passes, and with your friend's risk factors I really hope she decides to pursue it and can access it locally in time. She definitely shouldn't wait until she's feeling awful--it's generally too late then.

I'm worried about break-through. Where would a COVID sick person get monoclonal antibodies? Would I get it at my GP's office? Or is the treatment given only at a hospital?

[Frances]

10 minutes ago, Alicia64 said:

I'm worried about break-through. Where would a COVID sick person get monoclonal antibodies? Would I get it at my GP's office? Or is the treatment given only at a hospital?

It’s going to vary by location. Starting with a call to your primary care doctor is probably best. You could also check your county or state health department website for more info.

[TravelingChris]

It is being given in outside clinics too but monoclonal antibodies are an infusion by IV and take several hours to administer.  I don't think most doctor offices are able to do it.

6 hours ago, Ausmumof3 said:

Tonic water sold out here when it first took off I think maybe because of the quinine thing (linked to the whole hydroxychloroquine thing)

Dh who likes gin and tonics thought it was people drinking like fishes 

[Frances]

1 minute ago, TravelingChris said:

It is being given in outside clinics too but monoclonal antibodies are an infusion by IV and take several hours to administer.  I don't think most doctor offices are able to do it.

It’s also available by injection. At least here, a recommendation (prescription?) for it starts with your doctor. Then some of the major healthcare providers have repurposed general clinics to be covid clinics, so that is where you can go for testing, exams, and treatments, including monoclonal antibodies. But I really think this is very specific to location.

[Acadie]

8 minutes ago, Frances said:

It’s also available by injection. At least here, a recommendation (prescription?) for it starts with your doctor. Then some of the major healthcare providers have repurposed general clinics to be covid clinics, so that is where you can go for testing, exams, and treatments, including monoclonal antibodies. But I really think this is very specific to location.

 

25 minutes ago, Alicia64 said:

I'm worried about break-through. Where would a COVID sick person get monoclonal antibodies? Would I get it at my GP's office? Or is the treatment given only at a hospital?

Totally agree with Frances that this varies by location, and checking with your GP is a good place to start. They should be able to refer you to where you can get it locally, if not through their practice. 

[Shoeless]

8 hours ago, MEmama said:

My MIL believes that drinking tonic water prevents covid. She frantically called DH with the “news”. 
 

Wonder what show she heard that on. /s

Ah, that explains why that shelf was empty at the grocery. I figured it was just supply chain wonkiness, but I guess not!

[TravelingChris]

10 minutes ago, MissLemon said:

Ah, that explains why that shelf was empty at the grocery. I figured it was just supply chain wonkiness, but I guess not!

and my dh  who likes gin and tonics thought it was people drinking like fishes.

[Shoeless]

2 minutes ago, TravelingChris said:

and my dh  who likes gin and tonics thought it was people drinking like fishes.

It's entirely possible! The last 18 months are enough to make anyone take up drinking!

[BeachGal]

Because I see one of my quotes was not removed, I will link Dr. Hyman’s YouTube video which is up again. It is more than an hour long and most of it discusses how beautifully it works as a treatment (not prevention) and how Italy, Spain, China, etc. are using it. If you want something shorter, begin around 26 minutes and watch for awhile.

 

[MEmama]

47 minutes ago, MissLemon said:

Ah, that explains why that shelf was empty at the grocery. I figured it was just supply chain wonkiness, but I guess not!

I noticed the shelf at my grocery was very low too, but a lot of the drink aisle was—not just tonic water. There are signs in the aisle—as in other parts of the store—apologizing for low inventory due to supply issues.

For my own sanity I am going to believe my community has better common sense to not blindly have faith that drinking the utilitarian half of a gin and tonic will miraculously save them from catching a virus. I should have checked the gin aisle. Lol

Most of my community is vaccinated anyway. I can 100% guarantee that’s the truly useful method of curbing covid. 

[Shoeless]

12 minutes ago, MEmama said:

I noticed the shelf at my grocery was very low too, but a lot of the drink aisle was—not just tonic water. There are signs in the aisle—as in other parts of the store—apologizing for low inventory due to supply issues.

For my own sanity I am going to believe my community has better common sense to not blindly have faith that drinking the utilitarian half of a gin and tonic will miraculously save them from catching a virus. I should have checked the gin aisle. Lol

Most of my community is vaccinated anyway. I can 100% guarantee that’s the truly useful method of curbing covid. 

I don't have such great faith in my community. Only about 50% are vaxxed and we don't have any other supply chain issues currently.  They're totally buying up the tonic to wash down their ivermectin.