Mama Dr Jones analysis of Texas Law

[Katy]

I think if we're really careful I can share this from an educational perspective rather than from a political one.  Mama Doctor Jones is an OBGYN from Texas who is popular on social media and is now doing travel medicine.  She's a mom of 4, and started trying for the first (twins!) while in medical school. She was raised Southern Baptist and went into her career pro-life.  The differences between what she was taught in church vs what she was taught in medical training were vast.  Specifically what is legally considered abortion is MUCH more broad than the pro-life are led to believe.  I didn't realize that delivering a baby with a fatal condition early because of pre-eclampsia and then choosing to hold your baby for the two hours it lives is abortion until I watched her talk about it. Anyway I've learned a lot from her, and I used to work in nursing on a gynecology floor.  She posted this video on YouTube.  I have my kids watch her too because I think education about these topics is extremely important.

Here's the link on the texas law.  If you're interested in the video about what constitutes late-term abortion I'm happy to find that too.

 

[Mrs Tiggywinkle]

I had to deliver at 28 weeks via c section. I was not really in labor but the situation had gotten critical. It was technically a termination of pregnancy, even though the baby wound up surviving. 

[Katy]

13 minutes ago, Mrs Tiggywinkle said:

I had to deliver at 28 weeks via c section. I was not really in labor but the situation had gotten critical. It was technically a termination of pregnancy, even though the baby wound up surviving. 

I didn't realize that was a termination.  Thank you for sharing.

[Mrs Tiggywinkle]

9 minutes ago, Katy said:

I didn't realize that was a termination.  Thank you for sharing.

I didn’t either until I saw my medical records. But it makes sense. The pregnancy had to end and survival of the baby was questionable.  I had a good outcome, but  we didn’t know that when I signed the papers to take him out.  My real goal was to be able to hold the body.

[kbutton]

25 minutes ago, Katy said:

Specifically what is legally considered abortion is MUCH more broad than the pro-life are led to believe.  I didn't realize that delivering a baby with a fatal condition early because of pre-eclampsia and then choosing to hold your baby for the two hours it lives is abortion until I watched her talk about it.

I have been hearing this more often. I would like to know when it "matters" vs. when it does not. By "matters," I mean when does what it's called make medical care more difficult by most standards.

For instance, a miscarriage is called a spontaneous abortion, but most people know that it doesn't reflect on the mother's intent. It's not illegal to have a miscarriage at any point. (I am not debating in this instance whether or not someone who has a miscarriage is at risk of prosecution in Texas under the new law.)

Specifically, I guess I'd like to know when the medical term clashes with law; for instance, when intervention for the sake of the mother/baby be called something that would trigger an anti-abortion law. Does it happen often? Does it vary from state to state? Would something be illegal in one state but fine in another? 

How often would some of the situations be something most pro-life people would not consider abortion but yet be prevented by law?

To me, the effect matters more than what things are called since we often have medical terms that don't mean medically what we mean by them culturally. 

[Katy]

1 minute ago, kbutton said:

I have been hearing this more often. I would like to know when it "matters" vs. when it does not. By "matters," I mean when does what it's called make medical care more difficult by most standards.

For instance, a miscarriage is called a spontaneous abortion, but most people know that it doesn't reflect on the mother's intent. It's not illegal to have a miscarriage at any point. (I am not debating in this instance whether or not someone who has a miscarriage is at risk of prosecution in Texas under the new law.)

Specifically, I guess I'd like to know when the medical term clashes with law; for instance, when intervention for the sake of the mother/baby be called something that would trigger an anti-abortion law. Does it happen often? Does it vary from state to state? Would something be illegal in one state but fine in another? 

How often would some of the situations be something most pro-life people would not consider abortion but yet be prevented by law?

To me, the effect matters more than what things are called since we often have medical terms that don't mean medically what we mean by them culturally. 

You're right, and I don't know the answer regarding different states.  I would guess this sort of data would be found at pro-choice sites, and honestly I haven't spent any time on them.