Can I get help from Dr. Hive?

[mom31257]

Our ds had a stomach virus about a month ago with throwing up, some chills, and low grade fever for about a day. He had nausea for the next couple of days, too.  He has continued having nausea if he eats anything in the morning. He can eat the other meals just fine. And doesn't have it if he doesn't eat breakfast. He used to eat a good breakfast fairly early after waking up, so this is a big change for him. 

Any idea if this is just residual from the virus, or is it possibly just coincidence that it is at the same time and is actually something else. ? He just moved in the dorm a week ago, so I hate for him to not be able to eat breakfast. We told him to get some yogurt and eat for a few days. 

I will say he didn't eat well this summer. He lived with friends while we traveled (we sold our house and couldn't close on the new one for 6 weeks). He worked a totally opposite schedule as them and he didn't feed himself very well it seems. He snacked and ate a lot of junk food during that time. He worked at Chick-Fil-A and ate that 4 times a week. 

Thank you for any ideas or suggestions! 

[Katy]

It might be from the virus.  It might be a normal change from having a later schedule.  It might be different allergens where he is. There is no physiological need to eat breakfast.

[TCB]

It does seem to be lingering longer than might be expected. It might be something they would check into to make sure something else isn’t going on.

[kbutton]

I am sure your yogurt recommendation is about the probiotics--if it helps at all, maybe he should take one in pill form. I personally like sacro-B from Thorne, but many brands sell that strain.

That's frustrating. My kids and DH are starving in the AM and not functional until they eat. I hope he can resolve this, but I agree that seeing a doctor for further investigation is a good idea.

[MooCow]

I can't eat in the morning or I get sick. I hope he gets better soon!

[Katy]

The other day the morning TV news people were discussing how bad Ragweed is here this year.  Someone sneezed on air, apologized, explained she didn't have Covid but had just been diagnosed with allergies for the first time in her life. I went through a year when I was a kid (maybe 12?) where I was nauseous in the morning too.  The doctor said it was just from post nasal drip.  That's why I'm saying it may be allergies.

[J-rap]

Just throwing this out there...  Do migraines run in your family at all?  One of my dd's had mild flu-like symptoms when she was in around 7th grade -- mostly extreme nausea -- that lasted about 24 hours, but then she went through a month or two of continuing to feel nauseated every morning.  We did end up taking her to the doctor and they weren't able to pinpoint anything, but through a series of questions they suggested it could be the beginning of migraines.  (Migraines are a strong genetic trait in our family, unfortunately.)  The nausea did go away after a couple months, but sure enough, sometime later she began to suffer the actual headache migraine.  She had them pretty badly and chronically for several years -- through high school, but they did diminish over time and now she just gets maybe one every other month. 

Another dd had what we thought was the flu in high school, nauseated, pale, slight fever, and headache.  The nurse sent her home and she got better over a day or two, although the headache part remained and eventually evolved into her very first typical headache migraine.  Unfortunately she has had chronic migraines ever since.

Migraines can be really weird though, and can be felt in different ways -- often in the stomach and with no headache at all.

[mom31257]

@kbutton, he has a hard time swallowing pills, but I do have some powdered form here I could take to him. He isn't very far away. (They dissolve on your tongue.)

@Katy, worth checking out. Did you have other allergy symptoms? 

@J-rap, my dad did have some bad migraine type headaches until they started treating his acid reflux. He doesn't know why they went away, but they did. My MIL sees zig-zag lines but has no pain. 

 

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[EKS]

I had a stomach thing once that took a good 4 weeks to go away.  It wasn't horrible, but I wasn't normal either.  

I'd tell him to continue skipping breakfast for a week and then try it again to see if things are better.  Probiotics (or yogurt) may help too, but he might want to consume whatever it is in the afternoon or evening.

[Ausmumof3]

I’d be checking for blood sugar issues possibly? It’s not likely but would be good to rule it out.

Also sometimes it’s helpful to wake earlier and eat something very small (breakfast biscuit if you have them?They are not a scone type thing but like a cookie that’s high fibre and not as sweet as regular cookies) to take the edge off it even if you wait a while for a full meal.

[Tiffnkids]

Just throwing this out there as well! Several years back my dd had a nasty stomach bug that seemed to linger. We figured out that she had developed lactose intolerance - it has mostly resolved now. She still can't over-do it on dairy though.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://patient.info/digestive-health/diarrhoea/norovirus&ved=2ahUKEwjSxZbbqMjyAhWpnOAKHetrBigQFnoECCQQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1_f8StOIVd4LdQbEvZjnki

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[Acadie]

Dd15 had a similar lingering stomach bug with nausea and loss of appetite, especially in the morning, as the lasting symptoms.

Two days after we started Align probiotics (from Costco) and Host Defense Agarikon mushroom supplement (from Amazon) she felt better for the first time in a month. We kept giving her Agarikon, 1 capsule/day for 10 days. Probiotics we kept up for several weeks. None of the symptoms recurred, and she was back to her usual athletic appetite. 

YMMV but this coincided with a significant improvement for her, and she had no problem tolerating either the probiotics or Agarikon. After this experience I'm planning to get both on board as soon as tolerated for any stomach bugs in our family. We've had stomach bugs that lingered before, so the idea that GI things can take a while to resolve was not new to us. But even mild nausea/loss of appetite is a pain when it doesn't resolve. 

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[Acadie]

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[BlsdMama]

Any chance he had strep? That can impact the gut long term. 

[mom31257]

@Tiffnkids, I don't think dairy is bothering him at other times of the day, and the nausea happens no matter what he eats. Would it bother him anytime?

@Acadie, ds has a very hard time swallowing pills, so I have time find him other forms of supplements. 

@BlsdMama, the throwing up and chills only lasted a day or so, so I'm not sure. Anytime mine had strep that I knew of they had a sore throat. Can you have strep without that? 

[Katy]

16 hours ago, mom31257 said:

@kbutton, he has a hard time swallowing pills, but I do have some powdered form here I could take to him. He isn't very far away. (They dissolve on your tongue.)

@Katy, worth checking out. Did you have other allergy symptoms? 

@J-rap, my dad did have some bad migraine type headaches until they started treating his acid reflux. He doesn't know why they went away, but they did. My MIL sees zig-zag lines but has no pain. 

 

Runny nose, sneezing, sore throat, ears popping, sinus pain, more tired than normal.

[Acadie]

On 8/24/2021 at 9:38 AM, mom31257 said:

@Tiffnkids, I don't think dairy is bothering him at other times of the day, and the nausea happens no matter what he eats. Would it bother him anytime?

@Acadie, ds has a very hard time swallowing pills, so I have time find him other forms of supplements. 

@BlsdMama, the throwing up and chills only lasted a day or so, so I'm not sure. Anytime mine had strep that I knew of they had a sore throat. Can you have strep without that? 

Many types of probiotics and the Agarikon supplements I mentioned are powder in capsules that can be opened and mixed into something. 

[BeachGal]

Another thing to consider is that food poisoning, even very mild and short-lived cases, can deplete intestinal alkaline phosphatase (IAP). IAP removes phosphates from potentially inflammatory molecules produced by intestinal bacteria commonly found in the colon. If he’s deficient, the toxins build up and an individual can feel the effect even well after the infection clears.

He could try taking a good quality curcumin with bioperene to tamp down inflammation. Something like Thorne’s Meriva which is often used in research. It’s a small capsule.

Some people also take one teaspoon of food grade diatomaceous earth. Must be food grade. DE can absorb the lingering toxins when IAP is low.

Here’s an article:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/12/171221143041.htm