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the title says it all.

 there will be no flights from USA to Australia by American Airlines for at least 2 months, including freight 

price increases and major delays expected for imported products

https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-travel-ban-flights-american-airlines-la-sydney/7cab2f30-5a9b-4738-90de-d854aa513b0e

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27 minutes ago, Melissa Louise said:

Oof! Buy local. 

(Does much of our food come from the US?)

I don't think much if our food comes from there. We are mostly an exporter of food

I bet it will affect machinery parts and car parts and things like that

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1 hour ago, Melissa in Australia said:

I don't think much if our food comes from there. We are mostly an exporter of food

I bet it will affect machinery parts and car parts and things like that

Hmm yes there’s already delays with tractor and farming equipment type things.

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I haven't read up recently - but they furloughed so many pilots and F/As at the start of covid, they're struggling to get up and running at their previous capacity.  That could be a factor as after this amount of time, they cant' "just hire them back".  It's been too long, they have to do "training".

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22 minutes ago, gardenmom5 said:

I haven't read up recently - but they furloughed so many pilots and F/As at the start of covid, they're struggling to get up and running at their previous capacity.  That could be a factor as after this amount of time, they cant' "just hire them back".  It's been too long, they have to do "training".

some airlines have been trying to pressure Australia to open up again. skeptical me thinks this is an airline company trying to force the issue

also 

the current covid crisis here in Australia  that has currently 3 states in lockdown originated from American flight crew in transit in Australia. 

Also  because so many outbreaks from hotel quarantine were happening all the states of Australia petitioned to have the numbers of people coming into Australia capped at 3000 per week.  Better for the whole country to have less people arriving and less lockdowns was the theory - but that was just before the whole thing went bottom up in Sydney. 

Australian borders are closed- only citizens or residence are allowed into the country - unless you are a celebrity or a sports star  they seem to have different rules. but all arrivals have to do 14 days quarantine in a special hotel 

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4 hours ago, Melissa in Australia said:

some airlines have been trying to pressure Australia to open up again. skeptical me thinks this is an airline company trying to force the issue

also 

the current covid crisis here in Australia  that has currently 3 states in lockdown originated from American flight crew in transit in Australia. 

Also  because so many outbreaks from hotel quarantine were happening all the states of Australia petitioned to have the numbers of people coming into Australia capped at 3000 per week.  Better for the whole country to have less people arriving and less lockdowns was the theory - but that was just before the whole thing went bottom up in Sydney. 

Australian borders are closed- only citizens or residence are allowed into the country - unless you are a celebrity or a sports star  they seem to have different rules. but all arrivals have to do 14 days quarantine in a special hotel 

American Airlines  should worry about its own problems.  (they had issues here with cancelling flights - but I haven't paid close attention to them.) I don't fly them.  (though I fly into DFW a couple times a year - which is their home base.)

I'm tired of the "celebrities" which seem to have their own set of rules.

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9 hours ago, gardenmom5 said:

American Airlines  should worry about its own problems.  (they had issues here with cancelling flights - but I haven't paid close attention to them.) I don't fly them.  (though I fly into DFW a couple times a year - which is their home base.)

I'm tired of the "celebrities" which seem to have their own set of rules.

I think we all are.

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14 hours ago, Melissa in Australia said:

Australian borders are closed- only citizens or residence are allowed into the country

Kiwis are allowed in too. 🙂

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I can't believe they are cutting freight.  That seems like a jack ass thing to do. I bet they have had a lot of negative press for starting the outbreak so maybe this is to retaliate. 

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Cutting freight stinks. I wonder if Amazon, etc had some warning. I know one author's piano books that are published through Amazon have not been available on Amazon AUS for the longest time,but suddenly just suddenly started being printed in AUS last month. 

 

Having said that, every person we talked to before we booked our flights to NZ/Australia, from friends to professional travel agents, all recommended against using US based carriers, because the experience was so much nicer on Air NZ or Quantas. We did Air NZ, and it was easily the nicest flights I've ever had, making the one from Houston to Memphis on the way back on United a very jarring experience. American is low on my list of airlines to pick, even for purely domestic travel. 

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16 hours ago, gardenmom5 said:

I haven't read up recently - but they furloughed so many pilots and F/As at the start of covid, they're struggling to get up and running at their previous capacity.  That could be a factor as after this amount of time, they cant' "just hire them back".  It's been too long, they have to do "training".

It is my understanding that AA was allowed to fly in 100 passengers per week.  They were going to fly in 25 passengers 4 days/wk and have cargo only 3 days/wk.  I work as a programmer.  When I started in 1989, I started with AA.  My client is still AA.  I got this info from my client.

I imagine it's difficult to make any money on a 15hr flight LAX-SYD with 3 pilots and 10 flight attendants and 25 or zero passengers.  Not sure how many seats are on that plane.  I used to be able to look that kind of thing up, but I've lost the ability.  I have no idea how profitable cargo is.

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1 hour ago, plansrme said:

I'm not sure why an airline, especially an American airline, should have to subsidize Australia's lockdown. If it could operate the route profitably, I am sure it would. 

I don't think any airline is

 They just jack the ticket price way up. I have heard figures of between $11k  and $30k for a one way ticket to Australia 

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19 minutes ago, Melissa in Australia said:

 They just jack the ticket price way up. I have heard figures of between $11k  and $30k for a one way ticket to Australia 

Gulp. 

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On 7/20/2021 at 4:52 AM, Melissa in Australia said:

some airlines have been trying to pressure Australia to open up again. skeptical me thinks this is an airline company trying to force the issue

also 

the current covid crisis here in Australia  that has currently 3 states in lockdown originated from American flight crew in transit in Australia. 

Also  because so many outbreaks from hotel quarantine were happening all the states of Australia petitioned to have the numbers of people coming into Australia capped at 3000 per week.  Better for the whole country to have less people arriving and less lockdowns was the theory - but that was just before the whole thing went bottom up in Sydney. 

Australian borders are closed- only citizens or residence are allowed into the country - unless you are a celebrity or a sports star  they seem to have different rules. but all arrivals have to do 14 days quarantine in a special hotel 

It has been rough.   My friend's daughter was engaged to an Australian and they haven't been able to see each other.   They thought of maybe meeting in Europe, but with the quarantine requirements, he just couldn't take that much time off of work.

They actually broke up recently, but it has been difficult.

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12 hours ago, Sunshine State Sue said:

It is my understanding that AA was allowed to fly in 100 passengers per week.  They were going to fly in 25 passengers 4 days/wk and have cargo only 3 days/wk.  I work as a programmer.  When I started in 1989, I started with AA.  My client is still AA.  I got this info from my client.

I imagine it's difficult to make any money on a 15hr flight LAX-SYD with 3 pilots and 10 flight attendants and 25 or zero passengers.  Not sure how many seats are on that plane.  I used to be able to look that kind of thing up, but I've lost the ability.  I have no idea how profitable cargo is.

I can't imagine the planes we took for our Australia flights with 25 passengers! I think they had about that many ROWS-and rows in coach were 10 seats across.  And you can't really go to a smaller plane like you can for domestic travel since you need the fuel capacity. 

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On 7/21/2021 at 9:14 AM, Dmmetler said:

Cutting freight stinks. I wonder if Amazon, etc had some warning. I know one author's piano books that are published through Amazon have not been available on Amazon AUS for the longest time,but suddenly just suddenly started being printed in AUS last month. 

 

Having said that, every person we talked to before we booked our flights to NZ/Australia, from friends to professional travel agents, all recommended against using US based carriers, because the experience was so much nicer on Air NZ or Quantas. We did Air NZ, and it was easily the nicest flights I've ever had, making the one from Houston to Memphis on the way back on United a very jarring experience. American is low on my list of airlines to pick, even for purely domestic travel. 

Air NZ is such a nice airline!  

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On 7/20/2021 at 10:40 PM, Melissa in Australia said:

I don't think any airline is

 They just jack the ticket price way up. I have heard figures of between $11k  and $30k for a one way ticket to Australia 

I just checked, on Google Flights, for one-way fares on 08 August, from LAX to SYD.  American for $11357 USD and Delta for $14138 USD.

Possibly this topic also includes the approximately 100 (?) Qantas employees who were recently caught in a drug sting?   https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/up-to-150-qantas-employees-part-of-gang-infiltration-at-airline/IRC6QPD5DKHWB4TSNY2RW7ZQ6E/

There is NO way an airline can make money on a twin aisle Civil Turbojet aircraft with a limit of 25 passengers.   No airline with sane management would operate a flight with that limitation.

The Cargo Jets, depending on the route, may have one route where they carry Perishable products (from Colombia for example we ship Fresh Flowers and Fresh Fruits and Vegetables) and can charge high rates per kilo (the examples I mentioned probably require refrigeration and special handling which causes the cargo airline to have higher expenses. And then in the other direction, the cost per kilo may be much lower, because it is a "backhaul".   

Here in Colombia, we benefit, because from Miami to Colombia is a "backhaul" and the rates are very low.  Going North it is the opposite and the rates are very high and we would never send anything in that direction.

DD has a little package that arrived in Bogota yesterday in the morning. Hopefully this morning it will go into Customs and then be delivered to our house tomorrow or on Monday.  It was delayed, possibly because the cargo airline didn't have a flight scheduled or possibly they didn't have space for the freight our Receiver/Forwarder delivered to them  on Wednesday morning.  With cargo, they don't have passengers screaming at them, but they may need to adjust the rate for their customers (Freight Forwarders, etc.)

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Honestly, with the Delta variant (I started to just say "Delta" but then in a conversation about airlines, that felt confusing) there now, does the good done by the strict lockdown make sense considering the harm it does in terms of the economy and creating scarcity of goods? Obviously, some level of lockdown any time the virus is moving freely is smart. And the lockdown worked for a really long time. I spent most of the pandemic jealous of my friends there. There was one week that was miserable here where literally everyone I knew in Australia was on vacation with their kids and posting adorable pictures on Facebook. But it seems like the genie is out of the bottle now.

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