Jump to content

Menu

At what point would you lock down again?


Recommended Posts

9 minutes ago, Danae said:

I feel like we’ve thrown caution to the wind.  We decided that since our whole family is vaccinated we’d go back to regular activities as long as they were enforcing an indoor mask mandate.  They all are . . . but it still feels like so much exposure.  And it is, compared to last year when we homeschooled and worked from home and had indoor exposure to maybe 5 people outside our household.  Now we’re at hundreds.  I did teach in person last spring, but the college was enforcing strict precautions and had an on-campus case rate far lower than the surrounding community.  
 

I honestly want to crawl back into our cave. 

Us too!  Nerve wracking for sure.  DH and I are being conservative and letting the teen have the most exposures.  
 

I do have a kid on a college campus that has over 90% vaccinated on a very large campus.  They have not seen a case number rise so far which is encouraging.  It’s super fun to have him living much more normally without exposure risk to us.  I have just let go of worrying about the vaccinated young , my mental health requires it at this point.  
 

I really would like DH and I to have a booster.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

It appears that most around us have given up. Life looks pretty normal out there. We don’t see many masks when out and about, except in medical settings.

We haven’t exactly thrown caution to the wind in a fun way, but our exposure level is higher than ever here.

Kids are staying home, for the most part. But DH and I are visiting nursing homes (separate wings) or hospitals daily. I was feeling pretty safe, then read that visiting those places is considered high risk. Nevertheless, we can’t change it - it’s a necessity for now.

We have done a distanced, masked, outdoor birthday gathering for a kid friend, and a few times we have had a distanced, masked, outdoor visit with friends.

We have two friend households who are similar to us in their exposure, who mask and distance and meet outside. Other than that, it feels like we are in a sea of people who have never heard of Covid.

  • Like 1
  • Sad 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Even though we are only socializing outside, I’ve become more anxious about my 11 year old. She won’t turn 12 until December, but I’m hoping she will be able to be vaccinated even earlier. 
 

My kids are homeschooled, and no one in our family goes to in person work, but all of my 11 year old’s friends go to school in person. They seem to be passing around one virus or another every week, even though they test negative for Covid. 
 

Last night, I kept her home from swim practice which I ever do. It was being held at a pool that reminds her of when I was in the hospital, so she was already emotional. I am having an incisional hernia repaired tomorrow and I realized that if she comes home coughing or picks up the bug of the week, I won’t be able to get my surgery. 
 

I’m torn because she is already struggling with depression and anxiety, so she needs the exercise and to see her friends, but long Covid would be absolutely devastating for her. I feel like as we get closer and closer to being able to have her vaccinated, I’m willing to take fewer and fewer risks. 

  • Sad 7
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Danae said:

I feel like we’ve thrown caution to the wind.  We decided that since our whole family is vaccinated we’d go back to regular activities as long as they were enforcing an indoor mask mandate.  They all are . . . but it still feels like so much exposure.  And it is, compared to last year when we homeschooled and worked from home and had indoor exposure to maybe 5 people outside our household.  Now we’re at hundreds.  I did teach in person last spring, but the college was enforcing strict precautions and had an on-campus case rate far lower than the surrounding community.  
 

I honestly want to crawl back into our cave. 

I think you're doing the right thing. We're all going to get COVID. May as well get it when you're newly vaccinated, you know? 😉 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Danae said:

I feel like we’ve thrown caution to the wind.  We decided that since our whole family is vaccinated we’d go back to regular activities as long as they were enforcing an indoor mask mandate.  They all are . . . but it still feels like so much exposure.  And it is, compared to last year when we homeschooled and worked from home and had indoor exposure to maybe 5 people outside our household.  Now we’re at hundreds.  I did teach in person last spring, but the college was enforcing strict precautions and had an on-campus case rate far lower than the surrounding community.  

I honestly want to crawl back into our cave. 

I am sure it feels weird, but you are fortunate to have those opportunities. We are all vaccinated, but it almost feels like it's pointless because there aren't any safe activities where masking is enforced. If we had opportunities for mask-enforced activities, I think we'd do many of them except during big surges. 

A lot of the vaccinated friends we have are not really masking anymore. I am so glad they're vaxed, but it makes us feel like it's more difficult to get together. We have done a little bit of outdoor stuff, but we're currently avoiding as much outside contact as possible to have a visit with family soon. 

If the surge really does recede to a reasonable level, I do think we'll resume some field trips. It's our best chance of being able to do them ever again--we've had tutoring, therapies, etc. almost all of our homeschooling years, and this year is our lightest load with fewest outside commitments. It was supposed to be the fun year.

  • Sad 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Two and a half weeks before our exposures skyrocket. We will have packers in our house before the actual moving, but then we will have the unpackers, the family, the work crews for the addition. And the family is the biggest risk. FL is a disaster. I think I've said before that the four 65+ family are all vaxxed and masked when they go out, except they eat in lots of restaurants, and go to church, have friends over, etc. But my generation (siblings) are anti-vax and anti-mask and living ‘normal’ lives. So the younger vaccines need to hurry up!! 😭 My 8 yr old and 4 yr old need the protection! And I will be in line for a booster if it gets approved.  

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, mommyoffive said:

  I took my kids into some stores in this other county last night.  Of course I am worried sick about it.  But they had a great time.  They haven't been in a store since 2020 and maybe 2019

I went into Kohl’s the other day, just to do a quick return during slow hours. I didn’t understand at first why my insides were begging me for a giant sweatshirt shopping spree, but then I realized I haven’t seen racks of clothing in person in quite sometime. It was so bizarre, like feeling hungry when you smell a restaurant.

  • Like 6
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, rebcoola said:

It's rough I feel like we have thrown caution to the wind.  Somehow we are still the most cautious people around.  

I feel this 100%  I am freaked about taking my kids into a store where almost everyone is masked.  In the county in our state that that has the highest vaccination rate.  But in our town life is going on as normal.  Some masks at the store since they are recommended again.  Sometimes half or only 4 people.   But the schools have no mask rules.  High school is totally on and normal.  So even though I am searching out the safest things to do, nobody else around us is doing anything.  

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

My BIL has Covid.  He is vaccinated (J&J), but picked it up at work.  He has been isolating at home and hasn't had too bad of a time with it, mostly a sore throat and low grade fever.

Our county is just nuts.  So many people think this is all a hoax for the government to gain control.  They are blaming vaccinated people for the delta variant, saying it was caused by vaccines.  They are saying that the hospital is lying about what people are dying from.  Some even think that the refrigeration trucks being brought in are a scare tactic, and that the dead body overwhelm is made up.

My mom, who lives in a little rural town with one store, said that the people refuse to mask in the store.  The owners are frustrated, but really have no recourse unless they want to shut down.  This is a store that has been owned by the same family since my grandparents were young.

Getting grocery pick up is getting harder.  It is like early pandemic when you have to book a day or two out.  I tried to order groceries the last couple weeks and had to wait a day or two to pick them up.  I think it is a lack of workers.  Our case numbers are high, the county reported yesterday that our 14 day new case rate is 1,063.4/100k.  Our county only has around 110,000 people total.  The county health officials think we might be over the peak, but school just started two weeks ago, and there are small festivals for one thing or another every weekend.  Good news is that some are getting cancelled for this upcoming weekend due to a forecast of a big downpour.

  • Like 1
  • Sad 13
Link to comment
Share on other sites

7 hours ago, Not_a_Number said:

I think you're doing the right thing. We're all going to get COVID. May as well get it when you're newly vaccinated, you know? 😉 

I’m six months past second shot.  The kids are more recent, though.  
 

I almost had a heart attack when I graphed yesterday’s case numbers, and then I remembered that yesterday was when the last zero from Labor Day dropped out of the 7 day average and the 4 day catch-up number was still in it.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Faith manor, if you were close, I would take you out to lunch at some of the fantastic outdoor restaurant spaces here.  (Hugs!!)

 

We are still trying to keep a bubble around Youngest. She is so close to being able to be vaccinated! Just a few more months, hopefully! 
 

Oldest is working and going to university. The middles are in public school. They are wearing N95s or equivalent because they have so much exposure.

Dh is still working from home. Dh does what shopping I can’t order for. Other than that, we are only going out for medical stuff. We had been doing outdoor dining but stopped when the wave hit hard….largely because our social circle has given up also. I have one friend who will mask while I eat, and then we take turns. I will mask so she can eat. And then vice versa. 🙂 
 

Schools require masks, as do indoor spaces, but people here are largely fed up and doing whatever socially unmasked. The case rates are showing that. I have friends on their third or fourth round of covid. 

  • Sad 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Of the families I know enough of the details on to share….

Family One: our age, kids our age (late teens down to elementary, no obesity, good health).

1. Round 1: prevaccine, dad caught at work and brought home. Dad was tested through work (which was an early outbreak of dozens of people), mom and kids were symptomatic of something but not tested because testing not available. Influenza like. 
Round 2: prevaccine, went to a high outbreak area about 4 months after round 1. Saw extended family. All six in family one, grandparents, most aunts/uncles/cousins all sick. All tested. All of family one positive. “Like a day of bad allergies”

Round 3: This summer. I can’t confirm they are vaccinated as we are no longer close. Plans had been to be vaccinated, but I don’t know for sure they did. Headache, drippy nose, tired, sore throat. 
 

Family 2: mid-60s. Good general health, wife has previous heart issues from celiac left long undiagnosed, but stable.

1. round 1: bad influenza—2020

2. round 2: early 2021: wife and husband both seriously ill. Wife went to urgent care 2x,  sent on to ER. Husband spent two weeks in hospital on high flow, came home on low flow with nasal cannula. Essentially came home disabled with no stamina.  Still has long covid symptoms.

vaccine (full series 2 dose): March time frame

3. Round 3: August—milder, like bad colds

 

I can count easily 20 people who have had two rounds. I can also easily count 20 people who have had mild covid post-vaccine. None had hospital stays. 
 

I am deeply deeply confused by people who are in a hurry to get it, thinking they will have lasting immunity. Some do get it, I think. Some don’t. It’s kind of a crapshoot. Same with long covid. 
 

I get that we are all playing a long game and we need to balance mental health, maintaining the economy, etc.  but that doesn’t mean we need to free for all/give up all precautions.

  • Like 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites

8 minutes ago, prairiewindmomma said:

I am deeply deeply confused by people who are in a hurry to get it, thinking they will have lasting immunity. Some do get it, I think. Some don’t. It’s kind of a crapshoot. Same with long covid. 

I'm not in a huge hurry to get it, but the study suggesting good natural immunity felt encouraging to me. I also figure I can't possibly avoid it forever. I'd just like us all to be vaxxed before we get it... 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

12 minutes ago, prairiewindmomma said:

Family 2: mid-60s. Good general health, wife has previous heart issues from celiac left long undiagnosed, but stable.

1. round 1: bad influenza—2020

2. round 2: early 2021: wife and husband both seriously ill. Wife went to urgent care 2x,  sent on to ER. Husband spent two weeks in hospital on high flow, came home on low flow with nasal cannula. Essentially came home disabled with no stamina.  Still has long covid symptoms.

 

That's a concerning progression 😕 . Did they have positive tests the first round? 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

They mask. Cloth masks during round 1. Not sure about the others. I doubt they are in N95s. 
 

I do know they eat in restaurants occasionally because they used to eat with my parents. 🤦 My parents only gave that up after the husband was in ICU for so long. My parents are older than they, so it scared them.

Edited by prairiewindmomma
  • Sad 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

13 hours ago, prairiewindmomma said:

Of the families I know enough of the details on to share….

Family One: our age, kids our age (late teens down to elementary, no obesity, good health).

1. Round 1: prevaccine, dad caught at work and brought home. Dad was tested through work (which was an early outbreak of dozens of people), mom and kids were symptomatic of something but not tested because testing not available. Influenza like. 
Round 2: prevaccine, went to a high outbreak area about 4 months after round 1. Saw extended family. All six in family one, grandparents, most aunts/uncles/cousins all sick. All tested. All of family one positive. “Like a day of bad allergies”

Round 3: This summer. I can’t confirm they are vaccinated as we are no longer close. Plans had been to be vaccinated, but I don’t know for sure they did. Headache, drippy nose, tired, sore throat. 
 

Family 2: mid-60s. Good general health, wife has previous heart issues from celiac left long undiagnosed, but stable.

1. round 1: bad influenza—2020

2. round 2: early 2021: wife and husband both seriously ill. Wife went to urgent care 2x,  sent on to ER. Husband spent two weeks in hospital on high flow, came home on low flow with nasal cannula. Essentially came home disabled with no stamina.  Still has long covid symptoms.

vaccine (full series 2 dose): March time frame

3. Round 3: August—milder, like bad colds

 

I can count easily 20 people who have had two rounds. I can also easily count 20 people who have had mild covid post-vaccine. None had hospital stays. 
 

I am deeply deeply confused by people who are in a hurry to get it, thinking they will have lasting immunity. Some do get it, I think. Some don’t. It’s kind of a crapshoot. Same with long covid. 
 

I get that we are all playing a long game and we need to balance mental health, maintaining the economy, etc.  but that doesn’t mean we need to free for all/give up all precautions.

Family 2 seems like an oddity in that even with both the vax and previous infection they still got Covid.

Is it possible that any of these cases were undiagnosed and wrongly assumed to be Covid?

Personally I know only one person who may have had Covid 2x ... but she was not tested the first time.  (Kid about 11yo so not vaccinated.)  Extremely careful family due to severe health risks ... but they felt they couldn't lock their young daughter up forever.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

13 hours ago, Not_a_Number said:

I'm not in a huge hurry to get it, but the study suggesting good natural immunity felt encouraging to me. I also figure I can't possibly avoid it forever. I'd just like us all to be vaxxed before we get it... 

Have you tested to see if any of you have already had it?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

47 minutes ago, Not_a_Number said:

Yay!!! How did your DH do? No one else got it, right? 

DH did fine. He tested negative just shy of 2wks after first testing positive. DS8 tested positive about halfway through DH’s isolation & just tested negative today (around 10 days later). He did fine, too. Slept in late a few days, was a little achy from time to time. I stayed negative the whole time.

DS is absolutely THRILLED to be released back into the world; he desperately needs his (outdoor, mostly distanced) athletic outlets. 

Edited by Shoes+Ships+SealingWax
  • Like 6
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Shoes+Ships+SealingWax said:

DH did fine. He tested negative just shy of 2wks after first testing positive. DS8 tested positive about halfway through DH’s isolation & just tested negative today (around 10 days later). He did fine, too. Slept in late a few days, was a little achy from time to time. I stayed negative the whole time.

DS is absolutely THRILLED to be released back into the world; he desperately needs his (outdoor, mostly distanced) athletic outlets. 

I'm really glad everyone had a mild case!! 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

17 hours ago, SKL said:

Family 2 seems like an oddity in that even with both the vax and previous infection they still got Covid.

Is it possible that any of these cases were undiagnosed and wrongly assumed to be Covid?

Personally I know only one person who may have had Covid 2x ... but she was not tested the first time.  (Kid about 11yo so not vaccinated.)  Extremely careful family due to severe health risks ... but they felt they couldn't lock their young daughter up forever.

I know someone who got Covid, got vaccinated and got Covid again so it can certainly happen.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 9/16/2021 at 2:10 AM, Not_a_Number said:

I'm not in a huge hurry to get it, but the study suggesting good natural immunity felt encouraging to me. I also figure I can't possibly avoid it forever. I'd just like us all to be vaxxed before we get it... 

Shane Crotty said that they do not have data yet on immunity if you are vaccinated first and then get Covid but they are studying it. He said it’s possible vaccination may dampen the immune response if you get infected, so it may be different than if you get Covid then get vaccinated. He said previously infected people who get the first vaccine then get really good protection against variants. Of course you have to survive Covid, and hopefully not end up with long Covid to get your immunity that way.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, TCB said:

Shane Crotty said that they do not have data yet on immunity if you are vaccinated first and then get Covid but they are studying it. He said it’s possible vaccination may dampen the immune response if you get infected, so it may be different than if you get Covid then get vaccinated. He said previously infected people who get the first vaccine then get really good protection against variants. Of course you have to survive Covid, and hopefully not end up with long Covid to get your immunity that way.

Yeah, I’ve wondered about that. I mean, I’d rather not get COVID at all, lol… but it doesn’t seem like we’ll be able to avoid it!!

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 9/17/2021 at 3:37 AM, TCB said:

I know someone who got Covid, got vaccinated and got Covid again so it can certainly happen.

Me too, unfortunately. He's 48, active, no health conditions. He got covid in March 2020 and was sick enough to need supplemental oxygen at home, but never got admitted to the hospital, although maybe he actually should have been admitted, IDK. Then he got vaccinated (probably sooner than advisable after having covid) with both doses of an mRNA vaccine (not sure which one) in April-May 2021. And he just caught covid again earlier this month, Sept 2021. He's recovering well now, but says during his second round of covid he felt much worse than the first time.

I wonder if he's one of those people who just don't seem to have good immunity for some unexplained/undiagnosed reason.

And, I personally know only about a dozen people (I have a small circle, lol) who have had covid, one being the guy above, and another who had a breakthrough case. So it feels pretty scary here even though I'm vaccinated.

Edited by TarynB
Wrong date
  • Like 1
  • Sad 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites

And yes, second niece has it too. No fever but coughing a lot and very fatigued. Both nieces and my sister have asthma. GRR. 

(they do have a pulse oximeter, she said it was the favorite toy yesterday as the kids had fun checking over and over, lol)

  • Sad 14
Link to comment
Share on other sites

8 hours ago, TarynB said:

Me too, unfortunately. He's 48, active, no health conditions. He got covid in March 2020 and was sick enough to need supplemental oxygen at home, but never got admitted to the hospital, although maybe he actually should have been admitted, IDK. Then he got vaccinated (probably sooner than advisable after having covid) with both doses of an mRNA vaccine (not sure which one) in April-May 2020. And he just caught covid again earlier this month, Sept 2021. He's recovering well now, but says during his second round of covid he felt much worse than the first time.

I wonder if he's one of those people who just don't seem to have good immunity for some unexplained/undiagnosed reason.

You mean April-May 2021, right? Cause they didn't have vaccines back in 2020, lol. 

  • Like 1
  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, ktgrok said:

And yes, second niece has it too. No fever but coughing a lot and very fatigued. Both nieces and my sister have asthma. GRR. 

(they do have a pulse oximeter, she said it was the favorite toy yesterday as the kids had fun checking over and over, lol)

So sorry to hear that both your nieces have it, but at least they'll know right away if their O2 sats dip 🙂

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Gaaaah, feeling really closed in by Covid right now. Just lost an extended cousin, now an uncle has tested positive this morning.

Oldest son and DIL came to visit, and the working around Covid issues was such a PITA. I will feel better in two weeks when they/we are all still healthy.

My mother and IL’s facility has suspended visits due to Covid in employees.

I am really feeling it today, it just feels more claustrophobic somehow.

  • Sad 14
Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 9/18/2021 at 11:00 AM, prairiewindmomma said:

Oregon has documented 19,000 breakthrough cases at this point: here is the breakthrough report for this week.

https://www.oregon.gov/oha/covid19/Documents/DataReports/Breakthrough-Case-Report.pdf

 

 

Interesting/maybe reassuring wrt waning immunity that the percent of cases that are in unvaccinated people isn't increasing since they started keeping track nearly 2 months ago. 

  • Like 2
  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

So, one of my nieces tested negative on PCR, the other positive, both are sick. Weird! The one that tested negative is on antibiotics and improving - she's the one with the cough. The one that tested positive had more just fatigue and fever. Who knows? Seems if one had it, they'd both have it, they are very close, often end up sleeping in the same bed, ride in the car sitting next to each other, etc aside from obviously living together. But maybe not. 

  • Like 5
Link to comment
Share on other sites

8 minutes ago, ktgrok said:

So, one of my nieces tested negative on PCR, the other positive, both are sick. Weird! The one that tested negative is on antibiotics and improving - she's the one with the cough. The one that tested positive had more just fatigue and fever. Who knows? Seems if one had it, they'd both have it, they are very close, often end up sleeping in the same bed, ride in the car sitting next to each other, etc aside from obviously living together. But maybe not. 

I'd tend to assume both are positive, honestly?? Just that the test isn't catching it... 

  • Like 5
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
×
  • Create New...