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39 minutes ago, Corraleno said:

Nope, nope, yes. I'm still mostly getting things delivered, but if I need to go to a store I go early in the week, try to get there before they open, and put on a HappyMask before I get out of the car. My county has one of the highest vax rates and lowest case rates in the state, but I'm almost 5 months post vaccination and I just really don't want to catch this thing.

I think I'm going to be OK catching it after the kids are vaxxed and I get my booster. At that point, I figure it's the best I'm going to do, lol. It's not like I'm going to manage to avoid it my whole life. But it'll seem like we've optimized as best we could.

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22 minutes ago, Laura Corin said:

Really stressed today. Hope it's okay putting this here - it's about pandemic fatigue, I think.

I'm back at work several days each week at the university where I'm an administrator.  Everyone is masked and a very high proportion are vaccinated.  I'm feeling okay in the office.

But I seem to have reached the end of my tether anyway. The pandemic-induced administrative challenges just got on top of me today. I asked for help,  and the senior people whom I involved responded well to my reserved but pointed emails. My colleagues and husband were sympathetic. It's all fine. But I've not been sleeping and I'm really stressed.

So sorry for the stress. Pandemic fatigue is real. I've been feeling it, too. I've known all along that it will take 2-3 years start to finish for all to settle, but I'm still worn out. I hope you get some deep, restful sleep soon.

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1. I would not attend a church that is unmasked at this time - because even if my kids were old enough to vaccinate, not everyone can be and it is irresponsible to have group gatherings that are mixed vaccination status with no masks. I'd leave such a church, and in fact, did leave one. Just canceled my giving, and start a new, more cautious church, this Sunday. 

Now..if you mean after everyone who wants to be can be vaccinated, and 3rd doses are available, then yes. But not until even infants can be vaccinated, and the elderly have a 3rd dose if they want one. I'm not concerned with getting Covid at that point. 

2. We have not eaten indoors at a restaurant since Covid started, and only outdoors once. Once my kids are fully vaccinated, and I've had a booster, I will again. We don't eat out much anyway, since DS has celiac and I don't trust anywhere to make his food, but in theory, yeah we'd seek out some gluten free restaurants. 

3. Once everyone can be vaccinated, and elderly can be boostered, AND hospitalizations are low in my area, I'll be happy to take off my mask in stores, salons, etc. At this point, that's a pipe dream in my area, but I can look forward to it!

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20 hours ago, mommyoffive said:

Sigh. And this is how most people are going to get their natural immunity very soon 😛 . Between pandemic fatigue and the reluctance to approve boosters and the transmissible Delta variant, we're about to have everyone get infected. Everyone buckle up... it's going to be a rough ride. 

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1. Yes with very good masks (though if there was a equivalent church with better masking I would change)

2. No, but there is no real benefit to eating in a restaurant vs. a patio or getting takeaway.

3. Masks in stores is easy so easy I might never take mine off

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4 hours ago, cintinative said:

So, maybe this has been discussed, but in light of the more recent comments (and because this thread is now 64 pages--gah!), question:

1. If your whole family was vaxxed, would you be comfortable going into a worship setting of 200 plus people where only 20% were masked?

2. If your whole family was vaxxed, would you eat inside at a restaurant if the local positivity was around 15%?

3.  If your whole family was vaxxed, would you still mask in public settings like the grocery? What would inform that decision? Would it be based on local case numbers or hospitalizations?  

 

1. No.  If everyone were masked, maybe. 

2. Hard no.

3. Yes.  It's still mandated here, but I would still mask even if it weren't.  Especially if it weren't.

 

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5 hours ago, cintinative said:

So, maybe this has been discussed, but in light of the more recent comments (and because this thread is now 64 pages--gah!), question:

1. If your whole family was vaxxed, would you be comfortable going into a worship setting of 200 plus people where only 20% were masked?

2. If your whole family was vaxxed, would you eat inside at a restaurant if the local positivity was around 15%?

3.  If your whole family was vaxxed, would you still mask in public settings like the grocery? What would inform that decision? Would it be based on local case numbers or hospitalizations?  

 

My whole family is vaxxed. 

1) No. Kids only did a few youth things in the lull before Delta; they are not returning for the fall. DH took one kid to church on a Sunday a couple months ago and found out they cancelled the viewing in the overflow chapel, so they didn't stay. I refused to go - we had a mask mandate for months, but they didn't follow it which I feel is wrong so I will not return. They feel so strongly in "in-person fellowship" (*cough* let 'er rip *cough*) that they have closed the overflow chapel (everyone sits in the main auditorium now) and stopped livestreaming. Even if I didn't feel like this, I don't feel comfortable singing and shaking hands and being so close together for that long.

2) No. 15% is not a good positivity. I might at 3% or less, but I doubt it. I ate on a patio when I took Oldest to college, and it was the first time since March 2020 we'd done restaurant food other than drivethrough or pizza delivery. I do eat inside once a month with my co-workers at our monthly staff meeting, but I don't really have a choice to attend (I chose not to eat during this last one because numbers are increasing a lot lately here).

3) Yes, we still mask. Governor just passed a mask mandate again, so I don't have a choice here either. I haven't really decided when I'll unmask. I did do about 2 unmasked errands before Delta hit.

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1. No.

2. No. We did over the summer once, when positivity was very low. 2% maybe? It was under 3%. Knowing what we know now, we would not do it again. (Namely, that we can still be carriers with the vaccination, etc, we don’t want to catch or pass it on.)

3. We have groceries delivered, but if we have to go indoors in any public setting - we mask. It’s such a simple thing to do, easy peasy.

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5 hours ago, TCB said:

My whole family is vaxed but we are not doing those things. I honestly don’t know what the positivity is around here, because I haven’t looked, and because a lot of people here don’t bother testing unless they get really sick, so I don’t think any numbers are very meaningful. I  react based on the fact that at least 1/2 the available ICU beds, and often more, at my hospital are Covid patients and have been for several months. I have never known such a large proportion of ICU beds to be taken up by 1 diagnosis before.
I did listen to a podcast with ZDoggMd and Monica Gandhi where they mentioned several recent studies showing that vaccinated people appeared to be a lot less likely to spread Covid while infected, so that seems encouraging.

 

ETA. My girls and I are masking inside, my husband does some, but not everywhere. Fortunately he had the Moderna vax so I’m hoping he just isn’t going to get infected, and so can’t spread anything.

I’ve kind of given up doing much more than what I think is the right thing and being a good example rather than being vocal unless asked. I feel like I’m hanging by a thread and just surviving. The toll from looking after people and getting to know them, and helping them fight it, and then seeing them almost inevitably lose the battle and die is just almost too much to bear anymore. If people who think it’s exaggerated want my job I’ll happily step aside and let them have it.

TCB, you are such a shero. I know only a small percentage of what it feels like to experience what you have been doing for the past 18 months+, and your strength through all of this is incredible. I am interviewing for two ICU positions in the next week and a part of me is completely afraid, knowing the nightmare that I am about to walk into. You have been carrying such a heavy load for so long, and I am so sorry that so many fail to understand the depth of what has been happening. That's part of why I've been screaming about it from the top of my lungs to anyone who will listen. I couldn't help as a student, but at least I could do that. Now, I am suited up and ready to learn and help in any way that I can. You have so earned a reprieve. Thank you again. You have my utmost respect and gratitude for your service to this country. 

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Well, crap - DS8 is positive. Still totally asymptomatic, so no idea if it’s a new development or not. 

DH is vaccinated & positive. DS is unvaccinated & positive. I am vaccinated & negative. We’ve been quarantining for 10 days already, with DH isolated in a bedroom - but I’ve been caring for DS largely unmasked. Now we have at least another 10 days on our clock.

Is it worth having me isolate in a guest bedroom to try to avoid catching it or do we say forget it at this point & live as normally as possible (masked, quarantined, but together)? 

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17 minutes ago, Shoes+Ships+SealingWax said:

Well, crap - DS8 is positive. Still totally asymptomatic, so no idea if it’s a new development or not. 

DH is vaccinated & positive. DS is unvaccinated & positive. I am vaccinated & negative. We’ve been quarantining for 10 days already, with DH isolated in a bedroom - but I’ve been caring for DS largely unmasked. Now we have at least another 10 days on our clock.

Is it worth having me isolate in a guest bedroom to try to avoid catching it or do we say forget it at this point & live as normally as possible (masked, quarantined, but together)? 

Since you had symptoms and DS is now positive despite your DH isolating, I think it's likely that you had a very mild case and a false negative test, so I wouldn't bother isolating yourself in the guest bedroom (unless you want an excuse for some alone time!)

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4 minutes ago, Corraleno said:

I think it's likely that you had a very mild case and a false negative test

Twice, with tests a week apart? I mean, I suppose anything is possible but those have to be pretty astronomical odds. 

Nonetheless, I think we’ve come to the same conclusion. We’ll all mask, I’ll continue to sleep separately, & we’ll switch to me eating separately while DH eats with DS (as opposed to vise-versa) but otherwise we’re going to be together at this point. 

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30 minutes ago, Shoes+Ships+SealingWax said:

Twice, with tests a week apart? I mean, I suppose anything is possible but those have to be pretty astronomical odds. 

Nonetheless, I think we’ve come to the same conclusion. We’ll all mask, I’ll continue to sleep separately, & we’ll switch to me eating separately while DH eats with DS (as opposed to vise-versa) but otherwise we’re going to be together at this point. 

That's a tough situation. I am so sorry. I guess it would depend on how long ago I was vaxed (further away = greater chance of waning immunity), with what vaccine (Moderna probably stronger at this point because of higher dose and longer spacing), my age, and overall health (underlying health conditions that would make me more susceptible to a worse outcome if Covid +). Hugs to you, mama. Remember that there is also an incubation period, so I would keep testing if those positives are new.

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4 minutes ago, SeaConquest said:

I guess it would depend on how long ago I was vaxed (further away = greater chance of waning immunity), with what vaccine (Moderna probably stronger at this point because of higher dose and longer spacing), my age, and overall health (underlying health conditions that would make me more susceptible to a worse outcome if Covid +).

I wasn’t able to get the vaccine until May / June & did get Moderna. The only health factor I have is my weight.

We will definitely keep testing as DH needs a negative to return to work & DS needs one to return to sports so I may as well test right along with them. 

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Just now, Shoes+Ships+SealingWax said:

I wasn’t able to get the vaccine until May / June & did get Moderna. The only health factor I have is my weight.

We will definitely keep testing as DH needs a negative to return to work & DS needs one to return to sports so I may as well test right along with them. 

Well, that's pretty recently, and with Moderna, so that's two good things in your favor. Most of the people that I know who have had breakthrough infections received Pfizer (lower dose, shorter spacing between doses) and were vaccinated earlier. 

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2 hours ago, SeaConquest said:

TCB, you are such a shero. I know only a small percentage of what it feels like to experience what you have been doing for the past 18 months+, and your strength through all of this is incredible. I am interviewing for two ICU positions in the next week and a part of me is completely afraid, knowing the nightmare that I am about to walk into. You have been carrying such a heavy load for so long, and I am so sorry that so many fail to understand the depth of what has been happening. That's part of why I've been screaming about it from the top of my lungs to anyone who will listen. I couldn't help as a student, but at least I could do that. Now, I am suited up and ready to learn and help in any way that I can. You have so earned a reprieve. Thank you again. You have my utmost respect and gratitude for your service to this country. 

Thank you so much for your kindness! I’m so thankful people like you are coming to help. Working through these dreadful times really results in strong bonds with the people we work with. It is one bright thing to see how well we can work together and support each other. I don’t think I will ever forget the people I’ve been working with through this.

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16 minutes ago, SeaConquest said:

Well, that's pretty recently, and with Moderna, so that's two good things in your favor. Most of the people that I know who have had breakthrough infections received Pfizer (lower dose, shorter spacing between doses) and were vaccinated earlier. 

Yeah, DH had the single-dose J&J in March so it’s been quite a bit longer for him. 

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7 hours ago, Laura Corin said:

Really stressed today. Hope it's okay putting this here - it's about pandemic fatigue, I think.

I'm back at work several days each week at the university where I'm an administrator.  Everyone is masked and a very high proportion are vaccinated.  I'm feeling okay in the office.

But I seem to have reached the end of my tether anyway. The pandemic-induced administrative challenges just got on top of me today. I asked for help,  and the senior people whom I involved responded well to my reserved but pointed emails. My colleagues and husband were sympathetic. It's all fine. But I've not been sleeping and I'm really stressed.

I'm so sorry, Laura.

It's tough to be a human being who cares emotionally and/or professionally for other people right now, tough to be in a public-facing job, tough to witness the state of the world, and tough to make decisions about our own health and that of our families and communities.

It all adds up and it's no wonder you're stressed and at the end of your tether (a phrase I love that you've introduced me to--I say the end of my rope!) 

I'm guessing we'll all take turns reaching our limits in the next several months. Take whatever break you can to take care of yourself, allow others to spell you, and may the courage and strength you bring to the Hive come back to you whenever you need it 💜

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1 hour ago, Shoes+Ships+SealingWax said:

Twice, with tests a week apart? I mean, I suppose anything is possible but those have to be pretty astronomical odds. 

I have friends (husband/wife) who were exposed to COVID and both tested negative even though they were both having symptoms (I can't remember if it was 3 or 5 days post exposure). Then, 5 days later, they both retested. The husband again tested negative, but the wife tested positive and soon thereafter ended up in the hospital. I don't think the test is particularly accurate.

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11 minutes ago, Martha in GA said:

I have friends (husband/wife) who were exposed to COVID and both tested negative even though they were both having symptoms (I can't remember if it was 3 or 5 days post exposure). Then, 5 days later, they both retested. The husband again tested negative, but the wife tested positive and soon thereafter ended up in the hospital. I don't think the test is particularly accurate.

Crazy. We all have more tests scheduled for this weekend. Yippee… 🙄

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13 minutes ago, Martha in GA said:

I have friends (husband/wife) who were exposed to COVID and both tested negative even though they were both having symptoms (I can't remember if it was 3 or 5 days post exposure). Then, 5 days later, they both retested. The husband again tested negative, but the wife tested positive and soon thereafter ended up in the hospital. I don't think the test is particularly accurate.

Do you happen to know if it was a rapid test or a PCR?

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6 hours ago, Laura Corin said:

Really stressed today. Hope it's okay putting this here - it's about pandemic fatigue, I think.

I'm back at work several days each week at the university where I'm an administrator.  Everyone is masked and a very high proportion are vaccinated.  I'm feeling okay in the office.

But I seem to have reached the end of my tether anyway. The pandemic-induced administrative challenges just got on top of me today. I asked for help,  and the senior people whom I involved responded well to my reserved but pointed emails. My colleagues and husband were sympathetic. It's all fine. But I've not been sleeping and I'm really stressed.

I’m sorry and yes, I think pandemic worries distinctly amplify everything.  We have this roller coaster of good and bad times here with local transmission and my ability to handle normal stressors when the pandemic stress ramps up is definitely different to when the background pandemic stuff is calm.

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6 hours ago, Laura Corin said:

Really stressed today. Hope it's okay putting this here - it's about pandemic fatigue, I think.

I'm back at work several days each week at the university where I'm an administrator.  Everyone is masked and a very high proportion are vaccinated.  I'm feeling okay in the office.

But I seem to have reached the end of my tether anyway. The pandemic-induced administrative challenges just got on top of me today. I asked for help,  and the senior people whom I involved responded well to my reserved but pointed emails. My colleagues and husband were sympathetic. It's all fine. But I've not been sleeping and I'm really stressed.

Hugs, Laura. It's the cumulative stress and anxiety of a year and a half.
I am having a rough time these days, too - actually, ever since the beginning of the semester. At least the feeling of being utterly terrified of going into the packed rooms has vanished... or maybe one just gets used to everything.

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In general:  

1) No

2) No

3) Yes.

Caveats to number 2:  In June, we took a trip to visit family and colleges, and we did eat inside restaurants.  And actually, we did tonight because we got there, the patio was packed like sardines and the huge restaurant inside had only one couple in it.  

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10 hours ago, cintinative said:

So, maybe this has been discussed, but in light of the more recent comments (and because this thread is now 64 pages--gah!), question:

1. If your whole family was vaxxed, would you be comfortable going into a worship setting of 200 plus people where only 20% were masked?

2. If your whole family was vaxxed, would you eat inside at a restaurant if the local positivity was around 15%?

3.  If your whole family was vaxxed, would you still mask in public settings like the grocery? What would inform that decision? Would it be based on local case numbers or hospitalizations?  

 

Whole family, and our octogenarians and extended family above 12 yo, all vaxxed. 

1. No.  We're in the midst of High Holy Day season.  The synagogue has a mask policy and compliance is 100%; every congregant I know personally (I'm on the board, and very active) is vaccinated; we spaced the seats; we threw open the doors on all sides; the clergy both took PCR tests the day prior to RH... and still I was twitchy, and spent a lot of time in the foyer "ushering" rather than in the main sanctuary.  If it were only 20% masked... no way.

2. No. We were eating inside in restaurants during a brief window after vaccination and before Delta, when I briefly felt like Wonder Woman as I briefly believed the light was at the end of the tunnel in the US at least. But now with Delta we're back to outside-only, and as the weather turns on us we'll go back to takeout and delivery. Sigh.  And our positivity is only ~3%; 15% is HIGH.

3.  Sure.  Masking is... just not a terribly big deal IMO.  You find a type that fits well, you put it on when you're around others.  I remain baffled why it's so freaking controversial.

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2 minutes ago, Pam in CT said:

3.  Sure.  Masking is... just not a terribly big deal IMO.  You find a type that fits well, you put it on when you're around others.  I remain baffled why it's so freaking controversial.

I find masking mildly annoying when it's 90 degrees out. I still do it if we're in a crowd, but I occasionally take it off and wipe my face.

Inside a temperature-controlled store? I've stopped noticing my Happy Mask entirely and so have my kids. 

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23 minutes ago, Pam in CT said:

 

3.  Sure.  Masking is... just not a terribly big deal IMO.  You find a type that fits well, you put it on when you're around others.  I remain baffled why it's so freaking controversial.

Y'all know I'm wearing my KF94 or Happy mask every dang time, every where. but...I will admit I don't like wearing a mask and dealing with others wearing them. I have some hearing loss, and rely on lip reading a lot. I'm constantly asking people to repeat themselves, etc. 

And of course, outdoors it is too dang hot for any extra clothing, including a mask. I don't even like SHOES, lol. 

But I wear them because having to ask people to repeat themselves is better than anyone ending up sick or in the hospital. I also though stay home a lot to avoid mask wearing. 

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27 minutes ago, Pam in CT said:

3.  Sure.  Masking is... just not a terribly big deal IMO.  You find a type that fits well, you put it on when you're around others.  I remain baffled why it's so freaking controversial.

Yeah, I don't get it either.
I have upgraded to N-95 for this semester since we have packed lecture halls and no more social distancing. I find them surprisingly comfortable, especially since the bands go around the head and not the ears, and create a more secure fit. (At least I don't have to worry about hair because I'd look stupid anyway.) Now, several hours of loud talking in those gets tiring.

But a cloth or surgical mask for 20 minutes in the grocery store? What's the big deal?

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