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1 hour ago, BaseballandHockey said:

Can I get people's opinions on a few choices for my 14 year old?  Keep in mind that we live with a 90 year old, and while he's vaccinated we're still pretty protective of him.  

14 year old will be in school, but we're still figuring out what activities to do.  Here are the things on the table.  We aren't doing N95's for school, but we could do them for all of these.  He's been fit tested, so we know they fit!

1) School play (his school requires the vaccine for 12 +, and has a mask mandate, but this would be singing and dancing indoors.

2) Jazz Band -- he'd play stringed instrument (we're keeping virtual lessons for his brass instrument), and could wear a mask, but others would be playing wind and brass, including possibly some unvaccinated 6th graders.

3) Boy Scouts -- indoor meetings, large space, maybe 30 kids with no overlap with his school (e.g. not kids he's already exposed to).   He could distance within it and wear a mask.  Also camping, with single tents, and other outdoor things.  We could have someone drive him and meet them there.

4) Riding in a car with his uncle for triathlon training and golf.  He likes to train with his uncle, 1:1, but logistically it works better if his uncle picks up.  They could use a   They'd swim/bike/ride/golf outside, so it's only the car that I worry about.  Uncle is locked down tighter than we are, but sees his very elderly parents in person, so the concern would be transmission from my son, not to my son.  

I had initially said "no cars with other people, nothing indoors except school with 100% masks"  but these are the things I'm reconsidering.

We're in an area with high vaccination rates and lower covid rates, but they're climbing like everywhere.  

Can they handle open windows in the car?

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16 minutes ago, regentrude said:

At least they'll have very awake and alert colons.  I'd rather ingest my coffee orally and use my digestive tract as a one-way street. People are nuts.

ETA: Does any coffee work? Cold brew? French press? Preferred roast? I am sure that must make a difference with the nanoparticles.

Any coffee will do but it must be steaming hot. 

 

(snark, just in case....)

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1 hour ago, chiguirre said:

This is the most heart breaking story I've read this week, and I've read a lot of them.

 

Reading this above followed by this below...

1 hour ago, mommyoffive said:

Which states that "Other than two teachers, one of whom was the index patient, all school staff members were vaccinated" and that "This teacher reported attending social events during May 13–16" makes me furious. It's this kind of behavior that means the Daniel Wilkinson died of a very treatable disease for lack of a bed, because they were all filled by people like this teacher who chose not to get vaccinated, but then continued right on attending social events. Furious. I don't want to hear one thing about this being their choice. The height of selfishness to cause other people to die because you don't want to alter your life at all in the midst of a pandemic.

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The town I grew up in had a meeting about masks in schools, and the board voted that they will be mandated when the spread reaches a certain level. Sadly, some people showed a complete disregard for what consequences could be if they didn't mask. 

" 'What if we run out of beds at [local hospital]? Will that keep you up at night?' [Name] asked?

Several audience members were heard to respond 'No.' ”

Lovely. 

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My hospital system has reached capacity in the morgue, brought in coolers, and now those are filling up too. But Governor says it is fine, getting better, we just have to live with it. 

Well, we got overflowing morgues with people that didn't manage to live with it!

the email from AdventHealth says the hospital system has begun using rented, refrigerated coolers at 10 campuses in Orange, Osceola, Polk, Seminole and Volusia counties, adding those coolers are also becoming filled.

https://www.wesh.com/article/adventhealth-morgues-capacity-florida/37409543#

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5 minutes ago, ktgrok said:

My hospital system has reached capacity in the morgue, brought in coolers, and now those are filling up too. But Governor says it is fine, getting better, we just have to live with it. 

Well, we got overflowing morgues with people that didn't manage to live with it!

the email from AdventHealth says the hospital system has begun using rented, refrigerated coolers at 10 campuses in Orange, Osceola, Polk, Seminole and Volusia counties, adding those coolers are also becoming filled.

https://www.wesh.com/article/adventhealth-morgues-capacity-florida/37409543#

"You should live with it! Unless you died from it! Then sucks to be you!" 

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6 hours ago, mommyoffive said:

Florida doctor removed after offering parents $50 mask opt-out letters (msn.com)

Isn't it ironic that this makes the headlines, but I have yet to see a legit headline demonstrating that doctors are adding Covid to death certificates to make more $$$ for hospitals, lol? It's like maybe doctors aren't actually making Covid deaths up.

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4 hours ago, Jean in Newcastle said:

Sigh.  I do a mix of alternative and allopathic healthcare.  The alternative healthcare is helpful to me because it can offer practical lifestyle help for my autoimmune / chronic pain issues.  But. . . they have lost their everloving minds regarding Covid.  I just got an email telling me to do coffee enemas in order to combat the effects of "nanoparticles" in the Covid vaccine.  At least they are assuming that their followers are getting vaccinated?? 

Jean this cracks me up. It reminds me of a patient I had as a young nurse. The doctor approved coffee enemas at the patients request.  After the first one,he wanted another but there was only so much coffee and the night shift was coming on. He got instant decaf. I never knew if he needed caffeine or not but I knew the night shift did. 

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https://www.fox19.com/2021/08/24/workers-sue-tri-state-hospitals-over-covid-19-vaccine-requirement/?fbclid=IwAR3X5-rZOgYNR_UMcFpGAuS6_si5s405Fcbp9dcb_jI7pPAc97yzQxpRpaE

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More than 27 employees so far from St. Elizabeth Healthcare agreed to be plaintiffs with over 100 at each health care system agreeing to join the legal fight against UC Health, Cincinnati Children’s, Christ, TriHealth, Mercy and St. Elizabeth.

The workers want courts in both Hamilton and Boone counties to declare the policy violates their rights “to protect their bodily integrity and to refuse unnecessary medical treatment,” the lawsuits show.

The employees are front-line nurses, nursing supervisors, floor managers, health care technicians and even security guards.

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The suit alleges the workers’ rights were violated and accuses the hospital groups of “criminal coercion,” fraud, tortious interference, criminal and civil conspiracy and more.

It also accuses them of “engaging in a pattern of corrupt activity” by intentionally reporting “falsified data regarding COVID-19, including number of patients, deaths of patients, adverse effects of vaccines and other medical treatments and did so with the intent to deceive the public and to maintain a federal revenue stream from the United States and Ohio governments and its agencies. False reporting includes under reporting, minimizing and mischaracterizing data.”

I am confused...is the government maintaining a revenue stream by overcounting or undercounting Covid deaths? These people are nuts.

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Well, I guess you could say we “hit our threshold”. We’re in Texas & the surge is insane. All the public schools have resumed, entirely unmasked. Hospitals - including the local children’s hospital - are filling quickly. 

We told DS today that we’re taking a break from playing with his friends on the street. It’s hot out, so they’ve been “building forts” lately for shade & crawling inside, cramming together. Or asking to play indoors. It’s just too risky now. 

Our exposure risk is already high, because DH travels for a living. His job cannot be done virtually / from home, so DS & I have to do what we can. DS will continue sports, but that’s it. No dining out. No unnecessary stores. Masks indoors always. We’ll be missing a cousin’s wedding & BIL/SIL’s baby shower. Talking about sewing a mask into his Halloween costume. 

I’m thankful  we got to enjoy a short reprieve, because here we go again… 😔

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6 hours ago, kbutton said:

https://www.fox19.com/2021/08/24/workers-sue-tri-state-hospitals-over-covid-19-vaccine-requirement/?fbclid=IwAR3X5-rZOgYNR_UMcFpGAuS6_si5s405Fcbp9dcb_jI7pPAc97yzQxpRpaE

I am confused...is the government maintaining a revenue stream by overcounting or undercounting Covid deaths? These people are nuts.

Yes.

If we’ve learned anything it’s that to a certain segment of the population two opposite things can be true, depending only on the argument they are trying to win. Understanding irony takes a self awareness that doesn’t appear to be present, or at best is a trait they choose to not utilise. Pointing it out, of course, leads only into either digging in to the simultaneous opposing beliefs, transparent attempts to gaslight, or simply ignoring the reality altogether.

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It took more than 3 weeks to double our 7-day average, but here we are. And local schools start Monday.

Dh is NOT supposed to travel this hurricane season, but I’m not convinced he’s going to avoid needing to head out for Ida clean up. It’s just going to be too major to handle completely from home.  
He didn’t get his Covid from traveling last year, but so many people involved in restoration DID.

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22 hours ago, Faith-manor said:

It should also be pointed out that while covid may still be deemed not very dangerous to kids, we still have an issue of pediatric beds. We are bizarrely low as a nation in pediatric practitioners of every stripe not to mention ped beds and PICU beds. So even if everyone is comfortable with their kids' risk, the issue is we are overwhelming that part of the system so other sick children such as children with cancer are dying because there is no bed for them, the ER cannot see them. These deaths will be listed as cancer or sickle cell or anaphylaxis or whatever but they are directly covid caused because covid is overwhelming the system. Does no one care about this? Have we just decided that if you are sick with anything else, if your body is not "perfect", you are expendable? Sick kids? Let them die.

I think that people who are sick for reasons other than COVID get forgotten when the argument is about COVID itself, because COVID and its many associations take up so much headspace. One effective method of countering that tendency is to discuss the extra patients' effect on waiting lists in general (which, because it doesn't directly invoke COVID but just "extra hospital load" that could be from any cause, takes out the bunch of associations that leads to the forgetting). In England, the argument of "We already have 5 million people waiting for hospital treatment, let's try to do stuff to not make it longer," seems to have had some positive effect.

19 hours ago, Danae said:

Or people with colds, allergies, etc.  

Way back in March 2020 the public health and epidemiology people were saying that if positivity is over 5% you’re not testing enough.  
 

I suspect areas with low positivity are both testing a lot more people and taking other mitigation measures more seriously. They seem to go together.

If all the tests in my county got averaged out, it's about 1 test per 10 people this week (if we're only counting tests in the community, rather than those given to hospital patients and healthcare staff). It's possible to anonymously pick up a test from the library table (or, as of yesterday, for no apparent reason, from a table outside a department store), so it's not just including people who show up at a drive-through or walk-in test, or people booking sets of tests in connection with a holiday. (Though this could bump up the number of negative tests, because if one goes on holiday without catching COVID, that's likely 3 negative tests in the space of a month).

Masks are fairly prevalent despite not being legally required (many shops simply left the signs up stating non-medically exempt people must wear them and cited their rights to set organisation-specific rules), but social distancing doesn't appear to be happening much.

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10 hours ago, kbutton said:

https://www.fox19.com/2021/08/24/workers-sue-tri-state-hospitals-over-covid-19-vaccine-requirement/?fbclid=IwAR3X5-rZOgYNR_UMcFpGAuS6_si5s405Fcbp9dcb_jI7pPAc97yzQxpRpaE

I am confused...is the government maintaining a revenue stream by overcounting or undercounting Covid deaths? These people are nuts.

I believe the claim is that they are overcounting covid deaths and undercounting vaccine deaths. I've seen a lot of posts on social media claiming that the current surge in "covid deaths" is really caused by vaccines, but hospitals are lying and listing them as covid deaths to get the extra government money and hide the truth about vaccines. For example, the Q-nuts known as "America's Frontline Doctors" are pushing the lie that more than 45,000 people have died within 3 days of getting the vaccine, based on calculations by an unnamed "data analyst" who must remain anonymous so scary government agents don't kill her. That is a really widespread belief among anti-vaxxers (including a few on this forum).

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I am just going to vent and get this out.   I had to go to Walmart to return things so I went last night thinking Friday night the store would be empty.  Not so.  College is back in session and the place was packed.  College kids are much less wearing masks.  Other than staff who have to be there were maybe 4 people in the store with very sad masks that are not even doing anything.   Then I drove by a bar and grill that was packed and everyone indoors no spacing.  I left the store crying because I was so freaked out.  When will I be able to get through shopping at a store and not freaking out.  I was masked and vaxxed but I still worry.  And then driving by the bar just made me so sad.  Not that I want to go to the bar, but many those people are living like nothing is going on.  And I have not been living like that.  And because I am still careful and locked down in some ways we have missed out on so much.  Am I doing the right thing to be doing that?  To have made my kids miss out on so much.  I want my teens to do normal teen stuff.  Am I making a mistake for not letting them do the normal stuff?  And my youngers are missing things they want to do too.  Just sucks. 

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Well, today, August 28th, my chuch finally sent something saying the diocese decided kids have to mask at indoor sunday school. That's a month after the UCC made that call. A month. A month of kids getting sick, families getting sick, our hospitals overwhelmed. Going to be honest - it is too little, too late. 

The UCC church has sunday school outdoors, and has had everyone masking since August 1st (before that had a time of only unvaccinated, per CDC, but they adapted quickly as cases started to rise mid July)

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17 minutes ago, mommyoffive said:

I am just going to vent and get this out.   I had to go to Walmart to return things so I went last night thinking Friday night the store would be empty.  Not so.  College is back in session and the place was packed.  College kids are much less wearing masks.  Other than staff who have to be there were maybe 4 people in the store with very sad masks that are not even doing anything.   Then I drove by a bar and grill that was packed and everyone indoors no spacing.  I left the store crying because I was so freaked out.  When will I be able to get through shopping at a store and not freaking out.  I was masked and vaxxed but I still worry.  And then driving by the bar just made me so sad.  Not that I want to go to the bar, but many those people are living like nothing is going on.  And I have not been living like that.  And because I am still careful and locked down in some ways we have missed out on so much.  Am I doing the right thing to be doing that?  To have made my kids miss out on so much.  I want my teens to do normal teen stuff.  Am I making a mistake for not letting them do the normal stuff?  And my youngers are missing things they want to do too.  Just sucks. 

I know in your heart you already know this, but in case you need to hear it today YES you are doing the right thing. ((Hugs)) to you. It really does suck. But doing the right thing is always right. ❤️

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9 hours ago, mommyoffive said:

I am just going to vent and get this out.   I had to go to Walmart to return things so I went last night thinking Friday night the store would be empty.  Not so.  College is back in session and the place was packed.  College kids are much less wearing masks.  Other than staff who have to be there were maybe 4 people in the store with very sad masks that are not even doing anything.   Then I drove by a bar and grill that was packed and everyone indoors no spacing.  I left the store crying because I was so freaked out.  When will I be able to get through shopping at a store and not freaking out.  I was masked and vaxxed but I still worry.  And then driving by the bar just made me so sad.  Not that I want to go to the bar, but many those people are living like nothing is going on.  And I have not been living like that.  And because I am still careful and locked down in some ways we have missed out on so much.  Am I doing the right thing to be doing that?  To have made my kids miss out on so much.  I want my teens to do normal teen stuff.  Am I making a mistake for not letting them do the normal stuff?  And my youngers are missing things they want to do too.  Just sucks. 

You know you're doing the right thing. It sucks that the vast majority of people who are living life like covid is NBD will be fine, and will feel vindicated that their approach was the best because their lives were not at all inconvenienced (never mind the other people they may have infected). But some will be very much not-fine, and a few will be shocked when a healthcare provider tells them to say goodbye to their loved ones That 24 year old woman on a ventilator, who didn't want to miss out on a big family vacation, is now missing out on the first months of her baby's life. And that's the best outcome she can hope for — worst case scenario is her toddler and newborn grow up without a mother. Because her family decided to live life like "this is not that real of a virus" since it hadn't hit their family. Until it did. (((hugs)))

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1 hour ago, mommyoffive said:

I am just going to vent and get this out.   I had to go to Walmart to return things so I went last night thinking Friday night the store would be empty.  Not so.  College is back in session and the place was packed.  College kids are much less wearing masks.  Other than staff who have to be there were maybe 4 people in the store with very sad masks that are not even doing anything.   Then I drove by a bar and grill that was packed and everyone indoors no spacing.  I left the store crying because I was so freaked out.  When will I be able to get through shopping at a store and not freaking out.  I was masked and vaxxed but I still worry.  And then driving by the bar just made me so sad.  Not that I want to go to the bar, but many those people are living like nothing is going on.  And I have not been living like that.  And because I am still careful and locked down in some ways we have missed out on so much.  Am I doing the right thing to be doing that?  To have made my kids miss out on so much.  I want my teens to do normal teen stuff.  Am I making a mistake for not letting them do the normal stuff?  And my youngers are missing things they want to do too.  Just sucks. 

I'm sorry. I feel so similar because I did catch it (despite being more careful than the vast majority of people I know) and now have long haul.  It is very unfair.  

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1 hour ago, Corraleno said:

For example, the Q-nuts known as "America's Frontline Doctors" are pushing the lie that more than 45,000 people have died within 3 days of getting the vaccine, based on calculations by an unnamed "data analyst" who must remain anonymous so scary government agents don't kill her. That is a really widespread belief among anti-vaxxers (including a few on this forum).

I’ve seen this alluded to right here on this forum several times in the last 24 hours by someone discouraging vaccination in someone who has decided to get vaccinated. So upsetting. 

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40 minutes ago, mommyoffive said:

One week (August 21 to today August 28).

Are there images available of the previous week (14th to 21st)? We don’t have cable or anything & people here are acting like nothing’s happening, so while I’d heard murmurings of Delta I was kind of caught off-guard by how bad it got here & how quickly. 

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10 minutes ago, Shoes+Ships+SealingWax said:

Are there images available of the previous week (14th to 21st)? We don’t have cable or anything & people here are acting like nothing’s happening, so while I’d heard murmurings of Delta I was kind of caught off-guard by how bad it got here & how quickly. 

I saved this and I am 99% sure it is for the previous week.  I didn't label it, but I know it is.

Just found my earlier post that gave you the week before.

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On 8/24/2021 at 8:02 PM, mommyoffive said:

Wow, just looked at the Covidactnow map!   Other than 2 states in the midwest only the northeast isn't red now.  Back to being red, that is more stressful.  And schools haven't even started yet.  In my college town the kids are back in town. 

 

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Around half the people at the store were masked.  A lot more than just a few months ago.

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2 hours ago, ktgrok said:

Well, today, August 28th, my chuch finally sent something saying the diocese decided kids have to mask at indoor sunday school. That's a month after the UCC made that call. A month. A month of kids getting sick, families getting sick, our hospitals overwhelmed. Going to be honest - it is too little, too late. 

The UCC church has sunday school outdoors, and has had everyone masking since August 1st (before that had a time of only unvaccinated, per CDC, but they adapted quickly as cases started to rise mid July)

Wow! Our Episcopal Diocese issued a directive last month that masks are required for non-vaccinated people. 

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29 minutes ago, Ordinary Shoes said:

Wow! Our Episcopal Diocese issued a directive last month that masks are required for non-vaccinated people. 

Ours was slow the first time around too - the last diocese/denomination in the whole area to require masks. But, we are I think the 2nd most conservative diocese in the country (after one in Texas I think). Maybe that is why?

And I should add the parish email made clear that the renewed call to mask indoors for everyone was handed down from our diocese - not a decision the parish was making. Which is ducking responsiblity - the parish should have implemented this a month ago, with our without direction from the diocese. We have MORGUE TRUCKS FILLING UP - this was not a hard decision!

Like I said though, the ONLY church that went back to masks for all at this start of this month was the UCC. And I feel safer with kids outdoors and distanced in their own assigned camp chairs, even unmasked, than masked in a small room in an old building. Plus, our old church has NOTHING for youth 6th grade and up this year. 

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34 minutes ago, mommyoffive said:

This is taking me back to March 2020 😕 . 

By the way, is anyone else being kind of shocked by the fact that lots of very careful and even I'd say paranoid people are feeling fine about sending their kids to in-person school right now? I've now heard quite a few friends say that, and I'm very surprised.   

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3 hours ago, mommyoffive said:

I am just going to vent and get this out.   I had to go to Walmart to return things so I went last night thinking Friday night the store would be empty.  Not so.  College is back in session and the place was packed.  College kids are much less wearing masks.  Other than staff who have to be there were maybe 4 people in the store with very sad masks that are not even doing anything.   Then I drove by a bar and grill that was packed and everyone indoors no spacing.  I left the store crying because I was so freaked out.  When will I be able to get through shopping at a store and not freaking out.  I was masked and vaxxed but I still worry.  And then driving by the bar just made me so sad.  Not that I want to go to the bar, but many those people are living like nothing is going on.  And I have not been living like that.  And because I am still careful and locked down in some ways we have missed out on so much.  Am I doing the right thing to be doing that?  To have made my kids miss out on so much.  I want my teens to do normal teen stuff.  Am I making a mistake for not letting them do the normal stuff?  And my youngers are missing things they want to do too.  Just sucks. 

I think your kids are learning important lessons from the way you've lived this year. I wouldn't discount that. 

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2 minutes ago, Not_a_Number said:

This is taking me back to March 2020 😕 . 

By the way, is anyone else being kind of shocked by the fact that lots of very careful and even I'd say paranoid people are feeling fine about sending their kids to in-person school right now? I've now heard quite a few friends say that, and I'm very surprised.   

I do think some very cautious people feel more confident about a fully masked environment than I do, even though I very much think it’s clear that everyone masked dramatically reduces transmission. With Delta though, I feel like even that dramatic reduction isn’t enough for me to feel really comfortable with everyone together inside for that long. If everyone was wearing KF94s or similar, that would increase my confidence, but loose masks don’t seem sufficient for prolonged indoor contact such as a school day. I feel close to okay about the situation on a fully vaccinated, fully masked college campus, though. I’m very hopeful that will turn out to be a safe scenario and am encouraging my college kids to feel good about that. 

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1 minute ago, KSera said:

I do think some very cautious people feel more confident about a fully masked environment than I do, even though I very much think it’s clear that everyone masked dramatically reduces transmission. With Delta though, I feel like even that dramatic reduction isn’t enough for me to feel really comfortable with everyone together inside for that long. If everyone was wearing KF94s or similar, that would increase my confidence, but loose masks don’t seem sufficient for prolonged indoor contact such as a school day.

Yeah, I agree with you there. I think masks help but not enough given Delta and the long school day and the way that kids actually use masks. 

 

1 minute ago, KSera said:

I feel close to okay about the situation on a fully vaccinated, fully masked college campus, though. I’m very hopeful that will turn out to be a safe scenario and am encouraging my college kids to feel good about that. 

I'm hoping the college thing turns out to be OK. My sister is supposed to have classes start in-person soon, and I know she's really looking forward to that. To be honest, I rather worry that without early enough boosters, some older faculty members will get really sick and then things will go virtual again 😕. But hopefully not. 

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2 minutes ago, Not_a_Number said:

This is taking me back to March 2020 😕 . 

By the way, is anyone else being kind of shocked by the fact that lots of very careful and even I'd say paranoid people are feeling fine about sending their kids to in-person school right now? I've now heard quite a few friends say that, and I'm very surprised.   

I wonder how many have simply become complacent. We did, I’ll admit. Once we were fully vaccinated & numbers were rapidly dropping, I stopped reading the news. No one here was talking about it. Nowhere required masks - not even the formerly cautious places. Schools opened as usual. Then we were busy with school, signing up for extracurriculars, etc. We just… relaxed. It wasn’t until the second kid DS knew got sick that I snapped out of it. 

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2 minutes ago, KSera said:

I do think some very cautious people feel more confident about a fully masked environment than I do, even though I very much think it’s clear that everyone masked dramatically reduces transmission. With Delta though, I feel like even that dramatic reduction isn’t enough for me to feel really comfortable with everyone together inside for that long. If everyone was wearing KF94s or similar, that would increase my confidence, but loose masks don’t seem sufficient for prolonged indoor contact such as a school day. I feel close to okay about the situation on a fully vaccinated, fully masked college campus, though. I’m very hopeful that will turn out to be a safe scenario and am encouraging my college kids to feel good about that. 

Yup.

If the kids are vaccinated and there is a mask mandate, i get it. my fully vaccinated oldest works all day, with mask mandate (his clinic never stopped requiring them of EVERYONE). 

But unvaccinated? Nope. 

I'm BARELY okay with attending sunday school when it starts in 2 weeks, outdoors, distanced in their own chairs. But it looks like our positivity is starting to go down, and they truly have seen almost no one else since this started. TWO playdates and one time with the cousins. That's it. They need this, and I'm thinking outdoors distanced will be okay and hoping they can be vaccinated soon. 

We will be in the church first, but there is a LOT of air space (cathedral type building) and room to distance and a mask mandate. Kids will only be inside for the first 15 minutes or so, then go outside for Sunday school, and will wear KF94 or happy mask while inside. I'll be in the building, but I'm vaccinated, and will also wear a KF94. 

and that seems super risky to me. 

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I wonder how many have simply become complacent. We did, I’ll admit. Once we were fully vaccinated & numbers were rapidly dropping, I stopped reading the news. No one here was talking about it. Nowhere required masks - not even the formerly cautious places. Schools opened as usual. Then we were busy with school, signing up for extracurriculars, etc. We just… relaxed. It wasn’t until the second kid DS knew got sick that I snapped out of it. 

Are kids having mild cases as far as you can see? I don't know any sick kids yet. I'm pretty sure I'll know them soon enough, but not yet. 

I've been monitoring numbers on my phone the whole pandemic, so I never fully relaxed. I FELT relaxed when Manhattan had 30 cases a day, but I didn't really feel like we were out of the woods. I'll feel differently when the kids are vaccinated, I think. 

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Woot - my county is down to around 16% positivity from 20%....so...maybe we are turning a corner? Or..could be an anomaly. But man, I hope we are turning a corner. Our hospitals can't take much more. 

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14 hours ago, kbutton said:

https://www.fox19.com/2021/08/24/workers-sue-tri-state-hospitals-over-covid-19-vaccine-requirement/?fbclid=IwAR3X5-rZOgYNR_UMcFpGAuS6_si5s405Fcbp9dcb_jI7pPAc97yzQxpRpaE

I am confused...is the government maintaining a revenue stream by overcounting or undercounting Covid deaths? These people are nuts.

Pretty sure they’re saying the numbers are being over-reported, while data of negative vaccine reactions/deaths are being under-reported.

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4 hours ago, mommyoffive said:

I am just going to vent and get this out.  ... Not that I want to go to the bar, but many those people are living like nothing is going on.  And I have not been living like that.  And because I am still careful and locked down in some ways we have missed out on so much.  Am I doing the right thing to be doing that?  To have made my kids miss out on so much.  I want my teens to do normal teen stuff.  Am I making a mistake for not letting them do the normal stuff?  And my youngers are missing things they want to do too.  Just sucks. 

What can one say?  I'm so sorry.  It is incredibly hard.  Just know you aren't alone -- we see you, and hear you, and your little ones do too. 

I have learned, over the past few years, that to live a good life -- to try and show up, to do the right thing, to try to be unfailingly kind and loving and also tough -- isn't only hard, it is isolating.  It can leave one feeling lonely.  And one of the most painful things about my decisions to educate my kids, the fact that we homeschool and the manner in which we do it ... well, it means that my kids are also going to find themselves, sometime or other, standing in a very lonely place. 

You know, I think what you're doing -- trying to do the right thing -- is sort of like climbing a mountain.  A big one.  Back before you could hire folks to schlep everything up for you.  Not many people do it.  It's hard, and even if you have companions you have to power through yourself, in the end it is you & whatever source of faith/strength you have cultivated. 

But there is a place beyond the struggle, and past the loneliness.  There is truth, and strength, and an astonishing beauty: and you'll get a glimpse of this, sooner or later, you'll catch an echo of the good you've done, you'll see that the trail you cut eased a fellow traveler's way. 

And then it'll be up the next slope; or back into the fray; or paddling through the next series of waves.  You'll be in the thick of it so much more than up on the peaks. 

"You cannot stay on the summit forever; you have to come down again. So why bother in the first place? Just this: What is above knows what is below, but what is below does not know what is above. One climbs, one sees. One descends, one sees no longer, but one has seen. There is an art of conducting oneself in the lower regions by the memory of what one saw higher up. When one can no longer see, one can at least still know."        -- Rene Dumal

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19 minutes ago, ktgrok said:

Yup.

If the kids are vaccinated and there is a mask mandate, i get it. my fully vaccinated oldest works all day, with mask mandate (his clinic never stopped requiring them of EVERYONE). 

But unvaccinated? Nope. 

I'm BARELY okay with attending sunday school when it starts in 2 weeks, outdoors, distanced in their own chairs. But it looks like our positivity is starting to go down, and they truly have seen almost no one else since this started. TWO playdates and one time with the cousins. That's it. They need this, and I'm thinking outdoors distanced will be okay and hoping they can be vaccinated soon. 

We will be in the church first, but there is a LOT of air space (cathedral type building) and room to distance and a mask mandate. Kids will only be inside for the first 15 minutes or so, then go outside for Sunday school, and will wear KF94 or happy mask while inside. I'll be in the building, but I'm vaccinated, and will also wear a KF94. 

and that seems super risky to me. 

I've signed up to be an in-person greeter for our first Sunday back (12th) - we'll be inside, masked, spaced out, big air space, windows open, no singing.  I just read our welcome-back email, and it does sound like RE will be inside with all the kids together - I'm guessing with the RE director? I'll admit I haven't been paying attention to that detail since my kids are grown.  Usually we have separate classes, but with a year and a half of Zoom, I think it's not clear how many will come?  Our cases, though, are dramatically lower than Florida's - but of course school isn't back in session yet - that RE class will be just after the first week back.  Fortunately it does look like the schools will have a mask mandate.  We usually have an ice cream social, I hear they're thinking of hiring an ice cream truck so we can do something outdoors.  That actually sounds like a fairly good idea...

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1 hour ago, Not_a_Number said:

Are kids having mild cases as far as you can see? I don't know any sick kids yet. I'm pretty sure I'll know them soon enough, but not yet. 

I've been monitoring numbers on my phone the whole pandemic, so I never fully relaxed. I FELT relaxed when Manhattan had 30 cases a day, but I didn't really feel like we were out of the woods. I'll feel differently when the kids are vaccinated, I think. 

One, the older brother of a friend of DS, just had a close contact scare - he didn’t end up contracting it. Sorry, I forgot that was just a scare & not a confirmed illness.

The other (an 11yr old) is on Day 10 & only had fatigue / headaches early on. He passed it to his dad, but dad is vaccinated & has been almost entirely asymptomatic. Thankfully his mom & sisters (ages 9 & 3) have this far remained negative. 

EDIT: All of our area children’s hospitals are at capacity for Pedi ICU - 19 counties worth. At least 72 kids hospitalized, but that article is several days old now. Houston just confirmed it’s first death of an otherwise healthy kid with no other conditions. 

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1 hour ago, Not_a_Number said:

This is taking me back to March 2020 😕 . 

By the way, is anyone else being kind of shocked by the fact that lots of very careful and even I'd say paranoid people are feeling fine about sending their kids to in-person school right now? I've now heard quite a few friends say that, and I'm very surprised.   

Yep.  I have a lot of opinions about it, but I keep them to myself. 

I now know of 9 kids that have had Covid, ranging from age 4-ish to 16-ish. None of the kids were tested because they didn't want to put the kids through a test, but were symptomatic after the parents developed symptoms and had a positive test.  The kids seem ok so far; at least 2 of the parents still have brain fog after Covid. No one was vaccinated, except 1 parent who had a mild, breakthrough case.  

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Just now, MissLemon said:

Yep.  I have a lot of opinions about it, but I keep them to myself. 

I now know of 9 kids that have had Covid, ranging from age 4-ish to 16-ish. None of the kids were tested because they didn't want to put the kids through a test, but were symptomatic after the parents developed symptoms and had a positive test.  The kids seem ok so far; at least 2 of the parents still have brain fog after Covid. No one was vaccinated, except 1 parent who had a mild, breakthrough case.  

I'm glad the kids seem OK, anyway. Keep me updated on that? I'd love to have more anecdata on kids. 

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32 minutes ago, Matryoshka said:

I've signed up to be an in-person greeter for our first Sunday back (12th) - we'll be inside, masked, spaced out, big air space, windows open, no singing.  I just read our welcome-back email, and it does sound like RE will be inside with all the kids together - I'm guessing with the RE director? I'll admit I haven't been paying attention to that detail since my kids are grown.  Usually we have separate classes, but with a year and a half of Zoom, I think it's not clear how many will come?  Our cases, though, are dramatically lower than Florida's - but of course school isn't back in session yet - that RE class will be just after the first week back.  Fortunately it does look like the schools will have a mask mandate.  We usually have an ice cream social, I hear they're thinking of hiring an ice cream truck so we can do something outdoors.  That actually sounds like a fairly good idea...

ice cream truck rental is a smart idea!

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1 hour ago, Not_a_Number said:

This is taking me back to March 2020 😕 . 

By the way, is anyone else being kind of shocked by the fact that lots of very careful and even I'd say paranoid people are feeling fine about sending their kids to in-person school right now? I've now heard quite a few friends say that, and I'm very surprised.   

I don't know that many people being careful. Some friends are fairly careful, but they have kept up with activities, and did fine until this summer. Then the unvaccinated in the family got Covid. I don't know if the vaccinated family members tested to see if they were asymptomatic--at the time, data on people with vaccines was still showing that it was rare for vaccinated people to get it. I do know that the vaccinated family members had no symptoms. 

We have one reluctantly in school, but it's only half days, small classes, he's vaccinated/masked, huge classroom (industrial arts type stuff), and they leave an enormous garage style door open (at least for now). 

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